moviefreakedmind

I hate modern Disney.

E!-A!-G!-L!-E!-S! EAGLES!!!

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Everyone should be concerned about the fact that Russia did and continues to fuck with our elections. Regardless of whether or not they tried to help Trump win. But nah, that’s just a worry and not an actual thing.

Ditto with gerrymandering. Although that’s not connected to Russia…yet.

We should be worried about everything Russia is doing. I was only commenting on the collusion/coordination thing. It’s wonderful that Democrats are finally waking up about Russia, even if for partisan reasons.

That doesn’t mean as much when Republicans are now actively being apologists for and refusing to stand up to Russia and Putin. Even though Obama and the Democrats used to be softer on Russia, they were never as pathetic and weak as the Republicans are now.

My parents took me to a revival screening to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring.

I’m going to go on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride and scream at the animatronics like I have schizophrenia. It’s my form of protest.

Just so you know, your name is on that receipt. I’d recommend deleting it.

Mine’s brown.

TV’s Frink said:

Look Warb, I don’t get your problem here, but I’ll drop it now.

whatever.

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Eh, the movie is about cheap thrills and space action. It’s not like wanting to advertise First Blood without weaponry because there’s more to the Rambo character (in that movie) than violence.

First Blood is a really bad example, I take it you haven’t seen that film in awhile - it’d actually more sense if Rambo didn’t have a machine gun on the poster.

I know the movie. I’m saying that’s a movie that they wouldn’t want to advertise the violence in because there’s more to it than that.

Oh, I completely misread the comparison you were making (missed the word “not” in “it’s not like…”). My bad.

DominicCobb said:

Anyway, I’m not saying they shouldn’t have guns on the poster, just saying it’s not that egregious if they don’t.

You don’t find it kind of uncomfortable that they delete things to avoid offending people? Granted, this isn’t art, it’s a marketing object, but it’s still close.

I don’t think it’s done to avoid “offending people.” The sight of guns doesn’t “offend” people (the word “offend” is misused way too often these days). It’s marketing materials, like you said. So the goal is to cater to the audience, if they think the audience is less likely to see it if every character is holding a gun, that’s a fair marketing move to make.

I get what you’re saying. I’m not bothered by this because it’s “censorship” because it’s not. I’m not bothered by it at all because it’s just marketing, but I think it’s a clear example of laziness. They want a character shot without a gun so they just erase the gun and have it look like crap. Ugly. Sad. Lazy.

Mhm. And like Wook says, Brazil has its own standards.

To Dom’s point, people care about these kinds of things more than they might when they perceive a political or social agenda at work, whether or not it’s true.

That doesn’t make the outrage any less silly.

I don’t think so, Dom.

If Disney changed the PotC ride decades ago in response to religious objections, I think people would be reasonably annoyed about it.

Depends what the alterations were. In the case of the most recent alteration to the ride, the reasoning could be construed as “the feminist agenda,” which absolutely makes the outrage silly (how dare we not demean women!). In the case of removing guns from a poster, the connection to an agenda is tenuous - some of these posters don’t feature characters with guns which means they’re promoting gun control? By that logic any poster that doesn’t feature guns is promoting gun control.

Can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not. Seems to me that both the agenda of those making a change as well as what the change is can reasonably bother people. If it’s not clear from my first post, this change to the Disney ride doesn’t bother me.

You frame the possible agenda here in positive terms so that any objector is a cretin. But the objection as I understand it has to do with political correctness and a view that the old ride didn’t demean women. People can argue that amongst themselves.

My initial statement (that if they’re outraged because of an agenda doesn’t make it any less silly), was in regards to the subjects in question. These particular outrages are silly, and that they think it’s because of an agenda doesn’t make it any less silly.

A silly hypothetical follows: Imagine they replaced the gold idol at the start of Raiders with a big diamond because the Bible says something about gold idols being bad. It would be a minor aesthetic change that doesn’t alter the story but it would really annoy me on multiple levels including the imposition of an ideology on a creative work. I’m not being absolutist, but that’s how I would feel about this kind of change. And I think that’s reasonable.

Is the theatrical cut of Raiders still available? If so, who cares? Would it be worse than the original? Obviously. So are the walkie talkies. But who cares?

I’m not saying people can’t criticize changes like this (especially if its more prominent like that would be, instead of the very minor-blink-and-you-miss-it ET change). It’s just silly to act like it’s the end of the world.

It’s silly to act like anything is the end of the world, but there’s nothing silly about loathing the mindset behind such changes.

The other factor would be who is the one making the changes? If Spielberg wants to do a new cut of Raiders with that change it’s silly, but who cares. If the studio decides to impose this new cut, different story. But with a theme park the dynamics are completely different.

Mostly agree, but the creator can still make dumbass decisions.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler doesn’t care about preserving American film culture.

I don’t?

You don’t care about Knick Knack.

He doesn’t care about Knick Knack.

Warbler doesn’t care about preserving American film culture.

I think changing Knick Knack is an example of PC, sex-negative, stupidity, but I’m not going to pretend to care about it and no one else should either.

There’s a parody of the PotC ride in Duke Nukem. In the “Bride Auction” scene it’s actually women pirates auctioning off men. It’s very funny.

No, but neither is using it as a joke, so I figured you lost control of yourself based on what I said about Steven Spielberg.

SilverWook said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m sorry to be the one to tell you all this, and forgive for my emotional state right now, but I’ve just received word that President Donald Trump choked to death on the bone of a KFC drumstick. He mistakenly grabbed it thinking that it was a boneless wing and devoured it. His assistants and bodyguards just thought that he had fallen asleep, so they chose not to investigate until his face had turned an ugly puce color, like purple and orange mixed together. He was on life support for hours after initially being pronounced braindead, but there was some confusion because his braindead state didn’t appear at all different from his brain readings when healthy. As instructed according to his will, they gave him a Diet Coke IV. He was pronounced dead after life support failed due to a power-outage likely caused by recent budget cuts in healthcare. Vice President Pence is being sworn in as we speak.

R.I.P. Donald J. Trump

I think this crosses the line a bit. It’s certainly in poor taste, even for this thread.

I’m going to be completely honest with you, and this may mean that there’s something wrong with me, but I seriously forgot that I posted that. My amnesia aside, I don’t think it’s in poor taste. It’s obviously silly and I didn’t say I wanted it to happen.

NeverarGreat said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Nothing makes me more sick than people who care

Hey man, I stand by that statement.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I watched violent media when I was young and I turned out okay

[citation needed]

😉

Take it to the Out of Context Thread! My real quote included a “(right?)” after that statement.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Well they should show rape because it’s entertainment and kids deserve to see it!

yeah I’m sure that’s what I said.

You didn’t. I was making fun of mfm for what he said (and yes I know he didn’t mean it that way).

Lol, I love the idea of ruining someone’s childhood by showing them horrifying things.

In all seriousness though, I do get annoyed when people get up in arms over “the children” when in reality most children have horrible parents and their lives are already ruined by actual damaging things that have nothing to do with what they see on TV and in movies and video games.

I watched violent media when I was young and I turned out okay (right?) and other kids will too.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Well you obviously aren’t too worried about offending people like me, but you’re so in favor of political correctness because it preserves the feelings of people.

Why should I be worried that saying “fuck you” might offend you when it’s a very commonly known running joke here?

That joke got shut down and I was publicly reprimanded and chastised for using it a while back and it hasn’t been used since so I assumed it wasn’t a joke.

And it’s not about “preserving the feelings of people.” That’s a purposefully ignorant mischaracterization.

A better definition would be “preserving the feelings of some people.” Honestly, I only care about political correctness when it is applied to art and comedy. I don’t consider Disney Land art so I don’t care about this.

Well you obviously aren’t too worried about offending people like me, but you’re so in favor of political correctness because it preserves the feelings of people.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

He was being a pathetic person. He repented later. Thankfully people can change.

Fuck you.

So much for caring about people’s feelings. That’s why everyone can’t stand political correctness. It’s inconsistent.

And people complain that PC people can’t take a joke, and yet look at you…

I’m not offended. I’m pointing out your hypocrisy on PC stuff.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

He was being a pathetic person. He repented later. Thankfully people can change.

Fuck you.

So much for caring about people’s feelings. That’s why everyone can’t stand political correctness. It’s inconsistent.

He was being a pathetic person. He repented later. Thankfully people can change.

I’m sorry to be the one to tell you all this, and forgive for my emotional state right now, but I’ve just received word that President Donald Trump choked to death on the bone of a KFC drumstick. He mistakenly grabbed it thinking that it was a boneless wing and devoured it. His assistants and bodyguards just thought that he had fallen asleep, so they chose not to investigate until his face had turned an ugly puce color, like purple and orange mixed together. He was on life support for hours after initially being pronounced braindead, but there was some confusion because his braindead state didn’t appear at all different from his brain readings when healthy. As instructed according to his will, they gave him a Diet Coke IV. He was pronounced dead after life support failed due to a power-outage likely caused by recent budget cuts in healthcare. Vice President Pence is being sworn in as we speak.

R.I.P. Donald J. Trump