moviefreakedmind

I haven’t seen TLJ, but I don’t see how anyone could describe TFA or R1 as films with any kind of creative or artistic vision. I’m not even saying that as an insult to them. There are plenty of Bond movies or other films that I love and find entertaining as hell that have no real creative or artistic vision, but I don’t find the Disney SW films entertaining. And since they don’t entertain me or interest me and they don’t have heart, I can’t appreciate them as films.

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

paja said:

Dammit.

If Daredevil wasn’t worth watching, this reaction would make much more sense.

But teh Punisher is cooler 'cuz he kills more and doesn’t have that lame conscience or religious convikshuns bothering him and he just shooty shoot

I wish more superheroes would just man up and kill people.

Zack Snyder sock confirmed.

Not at all. Zack Snyder wants them to be mopey, dreary, grim, and sad.

I didn’t give the prequels a pass. I just said they are slightly less soulless.

suspiciouscoffee said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

paja said:

Dammit.

If Daredevil wasn’t worth watching, this reaction would make much more sense.

But teh Punisher is cooler 'cuz he kills more and doesn’t have that lame conscience or religious convikshuns bothering him and he just shooty shoot

I wish more superheroes would just man up and kill people.

DominicCobb said:

No.

I am right on the OOT point.

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place.

But it is something Disney has continued. They have had the rights to Star Wars for multiple years and we still don’t have a release of the oot.

I’d also like to add that at least George Lucas had psychotic creative reasons for withholding the OOT. Disney and LFL today are just being corporate assholes.

I know. I need confirmation.

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.

I can appreciate that the prequels at least came from somewhere that wasn’t a corporate board-room meeting. Rogue One being almost entirely reshot is an example of the soulless corporate meddling and the lack of any real vision. I get that the films are more competently made, but there’s nothing particularly interesting, memorable, or stylistic about the technical aspects so it doesn’t mean too much to me since I find the Disney movies at least as boring as the PT. I also think that the PT was slightly more creative than the new movies, and that means something to me.

Yep.

Really?

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.

I can appreciate that the prequels at least came from somewhere that wasn’t a corporate board-room meeting. Rogue One being almost entirely reshot is an example of the soulless corporate meddling and the lack of any real vision. I get that the films are more competently made, but there’s nothing particularly interesting, memorable, or stylistic about the technical aspects so it doesn’t mean too much to me since I find the Disney movies at least as boring as the PT. I also think that the PT was slightly more creative than the new movies, and that means something to me.

Nope.

I find the Disney movies as soulless as the prequels.

There’s no way to alter our ways of life because there are no alternatives presented to us, and a handful of people choosing to not drive cars isn’t going to make any difference. Government needs to force big business to stop destroying the environment and create alternatives. It’s the only way. Nuclear power is also important.

ray_afraid said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.

Rogue One being almost entirely reshot

That didn’t happen. Just normal reshoots and a rethinking about the ending.
Maybe you’re thinking of Solo?

I’ve heard that most of Solo was reshot, but a lot of Rogue One was reshot too, and I doubt just the ending and “normal reshoots”. Granted, we’ll never know because it’s classified information, but I suspect the cartoon Peter Cushing, the entire ending, the Darth Vader scene were added later along with most of the fan service.

For all we know, we might know each other in person.

Handman said:
Also, fuck everybody.

Even me?

Mrebo said:

SilverWook said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Yeah, impeding things that will turn our country’s environment into a shithole (hey, I thought Trump was against shithole countries!) is a really horrible thing to do.

CatBus said that Obama aided various pipeline initiatives (in part at least) to combat Russia. I don’t know how true that is but it’s arguably a worthwhile trade. But in any event, we have pipelines crisscrossing this country. It’s crazy to say one particular one is one too many or that stopping it will change our consumption. Fracking is vilified too and yet we all enjoy the benefits of it. I know very few people who restrict themselves and avoid conveniences in order to help the environment. For all the complaining about fossil fuels I don’t see many people doing anything about it in their own lives.

What would you call the benefits of earthquakes in places that normally didn’t have any before fracking began?

I can’t think of any way to continue our society with economic growth and comfort without using fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. Whatever we try, there are tradeoffs. We started using more ethanol but that actually takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce, hurts engines/fuel efficiency, and increases food costs. We buy fossil fuels from the Middle East and we prop up horrible governments. It seems to me that fracking yields great benefits with relatively minor costs compared to the alternatives.

This is completely short-sighted. It’s the mindset of “the world won’t be destroyed within our lifetimes, so who cares?” The dependence on oil is in part enforced by the oil companies and the politicians that they’ve bought and paid for.

Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.

I can appreciate that the prequels at least came from somewhere that wasn’t a corporate board-room meeting. Rogue One being almost entirely reshot is an example of the soulless corporate meddling and the lack of any real vision. I get that the films are more competently made, but there’s nothing particularly interesting, memorable, or stylistic about the technical aspects so it doesn’t mean too much to me since I find the Disney movies at least as boring as the PT. I also think that the PT was slightly more creative than the new movies, and that means something to me.

I like to use strong language.

EDIT: I also hate how Disney is monopolizing the industry and buying up every entity in sight.

I have a question for Christian users here. What exactly do you find inspirational about Jesus Christ? I find that a lot of Christians see him as a role model as well as a god and I’m curious about specifics.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ll go with when they acquired Marvel. That’s when they got incredibly obnoxious to me, but I suppose they’ve been evil for longer than that.

I place the birth of modern Disney after the end of the Disney Renaissance, when they stopped making traditionally animated films and started producing pop tarts like Miley Cyrus.

That’s at about the same time, isn’t it? She was in the late 2000s, wasn’t she?

I think the Marvel acquisition happened a couple years after her big debut, but yeah, essentially around the same time.

Weird, almost like the same time you guys became adults. But there definitely isn’t a connection there.

Disney shoving revolting products into my face every which way I turn isn’t connected with me becoming an adult.

I don’t see how what they’re doing now is much different than what they’ve always done.

EDIT: I also hate how they’ve handled Star Wars and I hate how they handle their classic movies and I hate how they’re remaking all of their animated features into boring CGI and live-action films.

The handling of Star Wars lies in LFL, not Disney. I’m not sure what they’ve done to their classic movies? Remaking their animated features isn’t entirely new (101 Dalmatians, Jungle Book), and CGI is pretty much the only way to tackle some of those stories.

Basically, who gives a fuck.

You can say “who gives a fuck” about anything. Obviously I’m not losing sleep over this, but I still find it lazy and revolting the way they suck the soul out of great classics and then regurgitate them as boring shells of their former selves. And Disney’s shadow looms large over Lucasfilm.

DominicCobb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ll go with when they acquired Marvel. That’s when they got incredibly obnoxious to me, but I suppose they’ve been evil for longer than that.

I place the birth of modern Disney after the end of the Disney Renaissance, when they stopped making traditionally animated films and started producing pop tarts like Miley Cyrus.

That’s at about the same time, isn’t it? She was in the late 2000s, wasn’t she?

I think the Marvel acquisition happened a couple years after her big debut, but yeah, essentially around the same time.

Weird, almost like the same time you guys became adults. But there definitely isn’t a connection there.

Disney shoving revolting products into my face every which way I turn isn’t connected with me becoming an adult.

EDIT: I also hate how they’ve handled Star Wars and I hate how they handle their classic movies and I hate how they’re remaking all of their animated features into boring CGI and live-action films.

People don’t do anything about it in their own lives because making little sacrifices like riding the bus won’t make any real difference.

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ll go with when they acquired Marvel. That’s when they got incredibly obnoxious to me, but I suppose they’ve been evil for longer than that.

I place the birth of modern Disney after the end of the Disney Renaissance, when they stopped making traditionally animated films and started producing pop tarts like Miley Cyrus.

That’s at about the same time, isn’t it? She was in the late 2000s, wasn’t she?

I’ll go with when they acquired Marvel. That’s when they got incredibly obnoxious to me, but I suppose they’ve been evil for longer than that.

TV’s Frink said:
. . . he was joking/exaggerating.

Well which one was it?

Yeah, impeding things that will turn our country’s environment into a shithole (hey, I thought Trump was against shithole countries!) is a really horrible thing to do.

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I hate modern Disney.

I think Disney knows. As a child I got excited by the castle opening of their movies. Classic Disney was great. If Disney was still held in such regard, it would have been proud to start TFA and TLJ with its Disney castle in lieu of the necessarily omitted Fox fanfare.

I was initially surprised by this but it makes sense as a branding decision. Marvel doesn’t have the Disney logo either, and I figure Pixar wouldn’t too if they didn’t already and if the Pixar/Disney Animation confusion wasn’t mutually beneficial.

Being a horrifying, monopolistic nightmare isn’t thought of as a good thing these days. If Disney put its logo on everything it owned, our world would be like Demolition Man and Taco Bell.