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DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

adywan said:

You only have to look around places like facebook to see how the RT audience scores have been manipulated. Campaigns were started before the film even come out to give it negative reviews. Not just star wars pages either. 99% of the time, RT was the place they aimed for. After the film came out it got even worse. The amount of posts i had to delete on my page where people had posted links to these type of campaigns was astounding. They even added getting people to upvote the prequels on RT to make TLJ score look even worse. Just check out the ROTS reviews and see just how many new ones have suddenly appeared since TLJ.

There’s a real dark side to the Star Wars fandom and it came out in force after TLJ. The amount of the so called reviews and the negative comments/ attacks on social media that point their hatred for it towards the fact that there is more diversity, more women taking the lead roles, Disney is pandering to the SJW’s etc is disgusting.

Woah ady, slow down with your rash argument.

At least his argument, while anecdotal, deals in reality.

True, you could learn something from him.

Bots and socks! It’s a conspiracy!

Thanks for proving once again that you either missed my point completely or were purposefully ignoring it. Great conversation we’ve had here.

The larger point seems to be that almost everyone loves the Disney Star Wars movies and anyone who has any real problem with them just has a massive stick up their ass or is an alt-right operative. That’s definitely been the attitude I’ve encountered and I haven’t been obnoxious in my complaints about the Disney movies, or at least not as obnoxious as some people online have, but I’ve still been treated almost no differently than the people who claim that TFA “ruined” Star Wars or insanity like that.

I guess you can join Jay then in willfully missing my point.

I said that it was your “larger point” beyond just the RT score. And I was referring to more users than you.

This is a (mostly) great article exposing right-wing hack and self-help author Jordan Peterson. It has some stupid stuff in it like attributing Peterson’s fanbase to “white male privilege being under attack” when I think that’s giving them too much credit, I think they’re probably just socially inept desperate for some kind of intellectual authority to agree with their politics. Overall though it’s great.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/19/jordan-peterson-and-fascist-mysticism/

Jordan Peterson’s only response to it was “I’d slap you.” What a joke this man is.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03/20/jordan-peterson-slams-left-wing-academic-who-called-him-fascist-id-slap.html

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

adywan said:

You only have to look around places like facebook to see how the RT audience scores have been manipulated. Campaigns were started before the film even come out to give it negative reviews. Not just star wars pages either. 99% of the time, RT was the place they aimed for. After the film came out it got even worse. The amount of posts i had to delete on my page where people had posted links to these type of campaigns was astounding. They even added getting people to upvote the prequels on RT to make TLJ score look even worse. Just check out the ROTS reviews and see just how many new ones have suddenly appeared since TLJ.

There’s a real dark side to the Star Wars fandom and it came out in force after TLJ. The amount of the so called reviews and the negative comments/ attacks on social media that point their hatred for it towards the fact that there is more diversity, more women taking the lead roles, Disney is pandering to the SJW’s etc is disgusting.

Woah ady, slow down with your rash argument.

At least his argument, while anecdotal, deals in reality.

True, you could learn something from him.

Bots and socks! It’s a conspiracy!

Thanks for proving once again that you either missed my point completely or were purposefully ignoring it. Great conversation we’ve had here.

The larger point seems to be that almost everyone loves the Disney Star Wars movies and anyone who has any real problem with them just has a massive stick up their ass or is an alt-right operative. That’s definitely been the attitude I’ve encountered and I haven’t been obnoxious in my complaints about the Disney movies, or at least not as obnoxious as some people online have, but I’ve still been treated almost no differently than the people who claim that TFA “ruined” Star Wars or insanity like that.

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:
This is pretty interesting. I was aware of the fact that Luke was Starkiller in the shooting script, but I had no idea they actually shot scenes with it.

I wish this would be released, I’d love to see it.

They don’t seem to like releasing material that shows that things changed significantly in the development. I think it started with George’s lie that he had everything planned since 1975 and that attitude has carried on ever since. I think that’s why there were no R1 deleted scenes released.

^I actually was making fun of mfm in that post.

There seems to be some confusion here. I’m right and everyone else is wrong, not the other way around.

TV’s Frink said:

Jeez dude, I didn’t dismiss your post, I corrected one small part of it. I didn’t say a thing about anything else you said.

That’s fine. I just interpreted it as you disregarding my reasonable statement and accusing me of dishonesty. It must’ve just been the demons that made interpret it that way, though. 😉

TV’s Frink said:
Wait, when did Lebron James get elected President?

Lebron James is worse than Trump.

“Platform” should’ve had almost a billion more quotation marks around it.

Frink told me in a PM that his favorite President is LBJ (followed closely by Donald Trump) and that his favorite film is Ghostbusters II.

I didn’t feel like going and finding the exact numbers for movies I don’t care about, and I remembered that I read recently that TFA made something in the 2.1 billion range and TLJ made somewhere in the 1.1-1.3 billion range (I couldn’t exactly remember), so I just said almost a billion because it was easier. After the backlash, I checked Wikipedia and apparently the difference wasn’t close enough to be fairly described as “almost a billion.” This is why I don’t typically post in the General Star Wars forum. I made a completely rational and reasonable post, and it gets dismissed as some slight against these sacred films. Like I said earlier, the bad attitude of Star Wars fans is on all sides. It’s on the side that worships the PT and George Lucas. It’s on the OOT side. It’s on the anti-Disney side. And yes, it’s on the pro-Disney side. You had a complaint about TLJ regarding a shot of Carrie Fisher’s face that you said looked weird or off in some way and were immediately shut down over it because even the slightest complaint about the most minor of aspects of a Star Wars film garners so much defensiveness and so much intensity that it’s shocking. I’m unaware of any fanbase in the world that holds such a passionate, nearly religious seriousness regarding their mass-market space fantasy films.

TV’s Frink said:

So can 990 million, but 290 million is a lot of money. When you hear “almost one billion” are you honestly going to claim you’re more likely to assume 700 than 990?

Or we can all admit it was hyperbole (like every other post here) and move on.

It wasn’t that hyperbolic. It made significantly less money than TFA. I don’t think it’s unfair to speculate that perhaps the more negative response from audiences led to it being less successful.

Yeah, I don’t remember that ever being in his platform.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TLJ made almost a billion less than TFA did

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=roguevforce.htm

I was going by Wikipedia where TFA has approximately 2.1 billion and TLJ has approximately 1.35 billion.

I’ve had at least four or five theaters to myself before. If I go to the movies it’s typically after something has been out for a long time and on a day or time when no one is there, like a Wednesday at midnight or something.

Also, keep in mind that the average rating of TLJ on RT is hovering at around a 3/5. Just because that counts as an unfavorable review doesn’t mean that everyone who is rating it gave it a one-star review. TFA did just fine and the alt-right response to that was just as powerful, if not more so, as it was against TLJ. Also consider that TLJ made almost a billion less than TFA did and it really isn’t that unreasonable to think that perhaps the audience reaction to this film was more mixed than positive.

adywan said:

There’s a real dark side to the Star Wars fandom and it came out in force after TLJ. The amount of the so called reviews and the negative comments/ attacks on social media that point their hatred for it towards the fact that there is more diversity, more women taking the lead roles, Disney is pandering to the SJW’s etc is disgusting.

The “Dark Side” of the Star Wars fandom has always been there. The reaction from die-hard Lucas worshipers to campaigns to get the OOT released are an example of it. The insane anger towards the Legends banner being added to the EU. Even a lot of the devout OT fanboys that act like the prequels “ruined their childhood.” The Star Wars fanbase has and always has had a really creepy religious fervor to it. As for the “diversity agenda” people, I’d wager that most of the alt-right folks complaining about women in Star Wars aren’t even fans but are just latching onto something that they didn’t care about before purely so they can push their backwards political agenda. They did the same thing with the Ghostbusters remake.

I’m guessing that the reason Disney used female leads for the first new trilogy and Rogue One is because they knew that the next decade of stand-alone films will revolve around male characters so they wanted to try and preemptively balance it out.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/04/01/donald-trump-tweets-easter-deal-dreamers-dead-vandalism-golf-course/476584002/

Quick reminder of how Trump is most certainly NOT better than LBJ.

Possessed said:

If you’re so repulsed by humanity that going to a theater to see a timeless work of art in the highest quality possible and best most cinematic experience because there might be other humans there then yeah sure.

Or if you just want to sit in the comfort of your own home and save money.

Tyrphanax said:

Sure but his being a nutjob and the NRA not denouncing his nutjobbity doesn’t really have any bearing on weather or not guns are good or bad, it just strikes me as more polarization for polarization’s sake. That was the crux of my point, there.

It’s comparable to how the Trump campaign refused to denounce David Duke or the alt-right. I think it’s worth mentioning.

Not really. The NRA is a major voice in this debate, like it or not, and Nugent is one of their most notorious associates.

TFA and R1 got positive audience reception on RT.

Handman said:

Honestly, I only said what I did to get the jump on Chewbaka since he made it sound like LBJ was amazing.

He’s still probably the best president of the last fifty years.

Tyrphanax said:

moviefreakedmind said:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ted-nugent-parkland-survivors-mushy-brained-children-article-1.3907005?utm_content=bufferd628d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

I feel like anyone reporting what Ted Nugent says as though it has any relevance in the world is doing a disservice to both sides of the debate.

He’s an NRA board member.

Dek Rollins said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Dek Rollins said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Dek Rollins said:

Hey! Kevin Sorbo is amazing! When he has a fun character with a neat story.

Capt. Dylan Hunt was a fun character. Andromeda had a neat story. Look what happened to both.

I haven’t watched Andromeda yet, but I was talking about Hercules specifically.

Ah, well, I haven’t seen Hercules, so I’ll take your word for it. He should certainly steer clear of serious roles and subject matter, though.

I agree. Hercules is a cheesy comedic series with bad special effects. It was produced by Sam Raimi and his company, so of course it’s far from a serious adaptation of the myth.

So you’re saying that Kevin Sorbo should’ve played a reincarnated Jesus Christ in God’s Not Dead II?

I’d definitely see that film.