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#254733
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One has to consider what Anakin actually needs to say compared to what he does say. Laserman (iirc) made an excellent point earlier that we should be able to see that spirit in Anakin of "I can change things. I have the power to make things better" that he later develops and is ultimately his downfall.
... Right, having watched ADM's cut of this scene (I don't have the original handy) there's a couple of long reaction shots on Shmi's face. Brilliantly, they are both when Anakin is talking, and both exactly when an extra line could be inserted to do the most good. This can definitely be done.

The second big scene with Anakin is his introduction to Padme, which is awful in raw TPM. This deserves editing just to make it presentable. Watching the ADM cut because I have it handy, his first "are you an angel" is said at such a range that it could be easily replaced with a different line, and his followup is spoken entirely on a reaction shot to Padme, then he goes into a non-sequiteur about being a pilot. Could this become "are you a akgjasldkgj [slang term for pilot]?" she says "Hnuh?", he says "A pilot. I'm a pilot, you know..." I mean, they've just turned up asking for spaceship parts, so this makes a lot more sense and eliminates the cringe. Is there enough Padme reaction to splice in when he's talking about "flying away from this place" a "and free *all* the slaves"? Anyway, this scene should establish Anakin as a precocious youngster, and also someone with ambition:

ANAKIN: Are you a sky surfer? [or whatever - any suggestions?]
PADME: Hnuh?
ANAKIN: A sky surfer. A pilot. I guess not. ... I'm a pilot. And someday, I'm gonna fly away from this place, and take my mom too.
PADME: You're a pilot? (this could be dubbed into something else - is Padme dubbed in SOTDS?)
ANAKIN: All my life (cringe)
PADME: How long have you been here?
ANAKIN: Since I was 3 yadda yadda yawn
PADME: You're a slave?
ANAKIN: I'm a person, and my name is Anakin.
PADME: I'm sorry.
*wipe to Qui-Gonn and Watto outside - they have their conversation*
*wipe back to inside*
*Padme and Anakin react to someone entering. Qui-Gonn returns*
PADME: I was glad to meet you, Anakin.
ANAKIN: I was glad to meet you too! (this is about the best exchange in this scene)

After that there's a little bit with Anakin and Sebulba that can be subtitled to be anything. I think this should show a kind of casual violence of language from Anakin (to a degree!), something that's harder-edged than anything anywhere else. Some hints as to what he'll grow up to be.

ANAKIN: Hey, Sebulba, I thought I told you you could only pick on people as ugly as yourself.
SEBULBA: Like you, Skywalker? Human children don't just look bad, they smell bad.
ANAKIN: Dude, whatever.
(please try and improve on this! My attempt bites)

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All comments and suggestions welcome.
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#254364
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Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated

This made me think about Jar Jars introduction.
There have been different ideas on how to handle that.
But once I read the above paragraph, I thought of this...
With this edit Quigon (could) now come in on jarjar being surrounded by battle droids...


Very interesting. That really would tie the landing and the invasion together for me, it's a great idea, and not too hard - Qui-Gonn is already waving his arms around just before that shot anyway. And some more sound effects can be added in thoughout to make it sound like all hell is breaking loose off-camera.

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#254350
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That's fair enough. My problem is that the ceremony as is makes little sense because the Gungans aren't there to celebrate anymore. I suppose some dubbed subtitles could solve the problem. The problem is that I like the funeral scene and I think it needs to be in there, but there's not really a natural place for it to sit with what I have in mind, if the ceremony goes at the end.

I do take your point, though.
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#254345
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
I humbly offer a reworded crawl...


Good try. As Laserman said, I think it needs to be even harder hitting. Something like:
"The Galactic Republic is crumbling. All eyes rest on the tiny backwater of Naboo, as the Galactic Trade Federation prepare to enslave the population with their army of droids. With the Republic Senate frozen in bureaucracy, the Jedi Council reluctantly send two juniors of its order to resolve the dispute.

Meanwhile, across the galaxy, an unsuspecting young slave's strange talents are about to come of age..."

I personally hate the crawls and Lucas's reliance on them to tell back story. Ideally they'd be as short as possible and run up the screen about three times as fast.

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#254343
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Originally posted by: Commander Courage

-Viceroy and the Sith:
If you were wanting to keep in the spirit of Starkiller Ranch, originally we had planned on Darth Sidious not appearing in Episode I. He is only hinted at in dialogue and the Nemoidians are the ones who call the shots, as far as the audience is concerned. With some special effects trickery, Gunray was supposed to order around Darth Maul via hologram. What are your thoguhts on this kind of alteration?
Also, if you're looking for languages, I've said this before and I'll say it again, "The Passion of the Christ" dialogue fits the Nemoidians PERFECTLY. Of course there the is the question of there being enough source material, but I would love to see this happen in an edit if possible.
-The Droids:
I'm of the opinon the droids should both be in every film, but Anakin building C-3PO is just unacceptable. There is another way of working 3PO into Episode I you could consider, but I don't want to spoil it for everyone.
-Qui-Gon:
We are on the same wavelength when it comes to Qui-Gon. Though I think the Pod Race is too early for a Force connection between him and Anakin, the space battle is a must. However, we thuroughly examined what we had to work with when doing the Ranch and could just not find the shots necessary for this to work. That was incredibly furstrating b/c making the TPM/ANH parallel was essential in our eyes to making this edit work. Maybe you can find a way to accomplish this.
-The End:
Ending the film with Qui-Gon's funeral never worked for me personally as the celebration seemed so mandatory, but lately I've come to see the advantages of such an edit and would support it as long as it flowed.


Tell me more of the plans for Sidious. I'll quite happily knock him out in favour of Maul, who is a better bad guy anyway. Also, as a deep-voiced Brit, I'm inclined to dub Maul myself. Or set up a fund to hire Pete Serafinowicz (£500 should just about do it, I reckon. This is not a joke, incidentally).

The droids don't add anything to the prequels - they frequently get in the way, and 'break stuff' running into the OT. I'd refer to R2 by a different model number if I could get away with it.

Qui-Gonn: I think it can be done. Maybe not unsubtlely enough, but I think it can be done.

The funeral: the celebration simply has to go in my edit - the Gungans are all dead by the end of the film anyway.

Cheers!
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#254342
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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo

Are you proposing Qui gon sacrifices himself in order to guide ani to save the day?

Re: Jar Jar - remember yr telling the story, so he doesn't have to be an exile at all if that means you have to work around it.

Re: yr Amida/ Padme issue. You could seriously consider not mentioning it. Back in the OT hardly anything was explained [within the films]. I know this is a hardly simple but what of keeping the padme / boss nass scene but reducing him to the sole gungan present? it would help since he's got his mug alover the big plan scenes later on. just throwing that out there.

And i think i prefer Maul being a bit of a suprise them rather than have been sitting around just waiting for thm to finally show up.


Thanks. I wasn't proposing Qui-Gonn sacrifices himself, but now that you mention it, it's certainly something to think about. As mentioned elsewhere, there may not be the footage to pull it off, because there simply isn't a held shot on Qui-Gonn as he gets killed in the same way that there is one of Obi-Wan.

Good point on Jar Jar, and one I'll definitely take on board.

Finally, I believe that the Padme/Amidala thing has to be revealed at some point. I'm toying with putting it in the throne room just as Padme is forced to surrender near the end of the movie. No idea how though.

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#254341
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Originally posted by: Miasta

In a related thought of mine, I've always thought, if possible, it would be neat to somehow paint out the magnet-hook thing Anakin uses during the pod-race to grab that loose cable.... This would show Anakin has already developed some powers.


It's an interesting idea. Technically difficult (for me, anyway) and I'm not sure a kid with kooky force powers would go as unnoticed as he has done on Tatooine.

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#254340
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Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
Based on one of the points you are trying to make, one thing I have to point out, after the opening crawl you need to go straight into everyone escaping naboo in outer space, everything leading up to that could easily be told in a coupla lines in the crawl, and you aren't missing anything by removing it!


I disagree. Qui-Gonn is too good a character to cut much of him out. Liam Neeson is the only serious actor of the lot.

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#254339
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On Laserman's totally excellent post:

You are so right about Anakin. That's exactly how his motivation should be captured. Thanks for that.

About Greg Proops: yes. No commentary on the race at all. This isn't fucking Nascar. I want to eliminate as many of the crowd shots as possible and focus on Anakin.

"Removing" R2 is in the sense of eliminating 'his' scene repairing the nubian on exit from Naboo, and is one of a set of edits that need making because Lucas has thrown in spurious 'adventure' elements to the story in numerous places - see also "there's always a bigger fish" and the bongo at the waterfall scene. Handily, all of these happen in the first third, so removing them gets us to Anakin faster anyway.

The crawl needing more balls: yes. Totally. That first crack by me wasn't a serious attempt, btw, just trying to sketch out the kind of information that should appear in it. I'll tackle this again in response to Erikstormtrooper.

A somber ending: yes, that's what I'd like. I'm toying with the idea of having an epilogue crawl in blue to match the credits. Any thoughts?
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#254221
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Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
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Hi, I’ve been lurking here a while and after watching both the MagFan and ADM edits of TPM, I’m still not quite satisfied that Ep1 is the best film that it could be (kudos to both of you, though, they are obviously vast improvements over the original). In this post I’d like to outline my own vision for TPM and hopefully a few of you guys will deign to poke some holes in it or generally offer advice before I get cracking. Honestly, I don’t blame you if you stop reading right now.

Cheers,

LTH


Firstly, I want to make sure that this edit is compatible with the Starkiller Ranch 2-6 eps, so if there’s anything here that conflicts with that, please let me know - I’ve read the threads, but there’s a lot to remember.

The problem with TPM is that it isn’t really <span class=“Italics”>about</span> anything - there’s no focus. First it’s Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan, then Padme and Anakin, then Darth Maul and the Viceroy.

Let’s get one thing straight: this is the story of Anakin and how he got into the Jedi order. Sort of an ‘origin’ story. Everything around this should be wallpaper. And yet when we first meet Anakin in TPM, it is without fanfare or musical cue (iirc) - he is quickly dismissed by the camera so that Qui-Gonn can continue to argue with Watto. This is wrong. Also, it takes 30 minutes of film before we even see Anakin.

Then podracing.

Then Coruscant, where Anakin plays very little part in the events.

Then back to Naboo, where Anakin saves the day entirely by accident.

These are major problems with the film, but I believe that they can be solved. Here are my ideas:


<span class=“Bold”>1. Get to Anakin quickly:</span> all of the first 30 minutes needs to happen in ten. There are three parts to the first third of the movie: Jedi go to see the Viceroy, Jedi go to Gungan city and thence to the Naboo Palace, Jedi escape the palace and the Trade federation blockade.

What I propose is to compress the first part by clipping shots and removing the ‘waiting to see Gunray’ scene, dispense almost entirely with the second part (Jedi meet Jar Jar, go to Gungan village, Qui-Gonn mindswipes a transport, they appear in the palace lake: 2 minutes), and make minor clips and edits to the third part.

<span class=“Bold”>2. Dwell on Anakin:</span> he needs his own theme (hey, how about “Anakin’s Theme”, track 2 on the soundtrack?) that plays when he first appears, and throughout his most vital scenes. He’s actually quite a precocious kid, if a bit annoying. Some careful editing can remove the worst of his lines - his first line in English is “Are you an angel?” to Padme. Yick.

The podracing buildup and execution occupies the entire middle third of the film. Whilst the special effects are neat, we already know which way the race is going to go, and it needs to be executed in about a third of the time it actually takes - this is a minor victory but the film is edited and scored to make this the most powerful victory in the movie. This simply isn’t right.

<span class=“Bold”>3. Anakin saves the day:</span> the four-way battle at the end of the movie needs to play Anakin as the hero, rather than each battle being won on its own merits. Firstly, I want to remove the Gungan battle entirely for reasons that will become apparent, to turn it into a three-way battle. The Maul line and the Amidala line should play out to the death of Qui-Gonn and the surrender of Amidala in the throne room. Then we get Anakin dogfighting with a purpose (none of this ‘oops’ crap), and blowing the crap out of the trade federation’s ship. I plan to echo not only some of Qui-Gonn’s speech into Anakin’s head during the space fight, but when he sets off, some of his own. He tells his mother before the podrace that “people never do anything good for each other” - this is his motivation for blasting the defender droids in the hangar and joining the space fight.

Of course, the mandatory Star Wars ‘celebration’ scene should be removed, and cut instead to the downbeat ending of Qui-Gonn’s funeral.


So those are the three parts to the movie. Here are some ideas that I’d like to implement throughout the film:

<span class=“Bold”>The Viceroy is a hardass:</span> Gunray and his sidekick some across as pathetic whiners, clearly manipulated by Sidious to get what he wants. Unfortunately, there isn’t enough of Sidious to make him into a proper bad guy in this movie, so I suggest redubbing Gunray’s lines with reversed, downpitched German (nice and guttural), and subtitling him. There are a number of points where he can be made to be angrily fighting back against Sidious, and asking for his part of the bargain, and <span class=“Italics”>crucially</span>, the Trade Federation can turn into a collection of slave traders (ganked from elsewhere!). This makes them more evil.

There’s a scene in the first third when Gunray has captured Amidala and is trying to get her to sign the treaty on the way down a long flight of stairs. This can instead be used for him to tell her how he’s enjoying the killing of the symbiants (the Gungans) and how that will slowly destroy the planet, and how he’s about to go and personally kill some children. Around about here can be inserted the parts of the Gungan battle from the end of the film that show the Gungans getting thrashed.

The overall motivation is to make Gunray a decent bad guy, and one whom the audience genuinely feel threatened by. This gives us something to juxtapose the selfless, giving nature of Anakin against.

<span class=“Bold”>Jar Jar is quiet:</span> MagFan led the way on this one. I’m toying with the idea of him being exiled from the Gungan city for killing a Gungan or a Naboo.

<span class=“Bold”>Removal of R2 and 3PO:</span> I’m thinking the ‘3PO gets left behind’ scene and the ‘R2 saves the ship’ scene.

<span class=“Bold”>No friggin midichlorians.</span> It still hurts.

<span class=“Bold”>Qui-Gonn’s voice:</span> in the same way that Obi-Wan (Ben) guides Luke in the trench run, Qui-Gonn should help Anakin out both in the podrace (at a critical moment that helps save the day) and in the space battle. Because of Anakin hearing his own voice, the ‘force thought’ nature of the communication can be nicely ambiguous.

<span class=“Bold”>Naboo:</span> is described as bankrupt and a backwater on the edge of Republic space that no-one really cares about. It is Qui-Gonn’s penalty to be sent here, not his privilege.

<span class=“Bold”>Amidala / Padme:</span> the one thing I can’t work out is how to turn Amidala into Padme without meeting the Gungans in the final third. This is classic ‘migraine maker’ if you ask me. All ideas welcome - the winning one at the moment is to simply not mention it!


Rough outline, then, of how the film would flow:
Crawl:

"STAR WARS - EPISODE ONE - MASTER AND APPRENTICE

The trade federation has blockaded a bankrupt Naboo for unpaid levies. Nute Gunray and his secret master have plans more devious than merely collecting a debt.

A Jedi master and his apprentice have been sent to arbitrate the dispute by the flailing republic government.

Across the galaxy, a young Anakin Skywalker, sold into slavery at age 3, works hard in his master’s scrapyard. His strange talents are about to come of age."

1/9: The Jedi and Gunray - they land. Gunray to aide: “the jedi are here. kill them.” Jedi are ushered into the waiting room. The droids attack them. Jedi attempt to burst into the bridge. Defender droids appear. Jedi escape down to planet.
2/9: The Jedi and the Gungans - Qui-Gonn runs into Jar Jar. They go to the Gungan city. They grab a ride to the Naboo Palace.
3/9: The Jedi and Amidala - Introduction and capture of Amidala, Gunray’s threats to her inc. the killing of the Gungans. The Jedi appear and save the day. They quickly escape past the blockade. Gunray is furious.

4/9: Anakin - They land on Tatooine. Padme tags along. They meet Anakin. His subtitled speech to Watto indicates that he’s just fixed something very important. Qui-Gonn and Watto leave. We stick with Padme and Anakin and get as much of his speech as possible. The Watto-Qui-Gonn bartering can be trimmed. The money Qui-Gonn has is nowhere near enough rather than being in the wrong currency. Sandstorm and return to Anakin’s home.
5/9: The podrace - Qui-Gonn bets the pod for Anakin. No pilot intros or Jabba or Greg Proops, but the battle with Sebulba can stay. A single lap of the course, Anakin does not stall at the beginning, he overtakes a bunch of people, Sebulba tries it on, Qui-Gonn makes a handy mental suggestion, Anakin overtakes him to win. Crucially, Watto threatens terrible things to Anakin’s mother once Anakin leaves - hopefully this can dull the victory. Anakin fights with Greedo. It’s not Greedo.
6/9: Darth Maul - he appears unexpected and kicks the shit out of Qui-Gonn. Everything to indicate that Maul is the better fighter is done.

7/9: Coruscant - skim over this quickly, Anakin doesn’t understand the politics and neither should we. We’re more interested in the Jedi council. Anakin is not billed as ‘the chosen one’. There is no prophesy. I hate that crap. They return to Naboo.
8/9: Conflict! Jar Jar comes out of the water and announces the terrible slaughter that has taken place in the Gungan city. Padme plans (this scene helpfully hardly has Boss Nass in it at all). They sneak into the Palace. Hangar scene: the fellowship of the intruders is broken. Maul fights & kills Qui-Gonn, Padme is captured.
9/9: Resolution! Anakin saves the day by disabling the droid army.
10/9: Epilogue - Qui-Gonn’s funeral.