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#318773
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EU books: Thats it..
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318773/action/topic#318773
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Johnboy3434 said:

What kind of person simply goes by the word of mouth and never keeps an open mind? A brainless sheep, that's who.


Um, no. Someone who listens to others with common interests, that's who. Hence why product reviews by customers (in this case book reviews by readers) are such a powerful tool. If a product is bad, enough people bitch which causes others to not buy it because it's bad and then it fails in the market.

Interesting how sales of Star Wars EU weren't doing to well until they started threatening characters lives (NJO). Once it becamse "Who's going to die next?" sales skyrocketed. I doubt those numbers are holding up anymore though considering that the PT is finished and the only thing new on the horizon is the Clone Wars movie and the live action series.
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#318725
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Indiana Jones IV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318725/action/topic#318725
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skyjedi2005 said:

And Despite how i like Tim Burtons take on Batman i find it esoteric and bizarre, like a bad circus act. Maybe that is how he saw it because he was jaded and could not take heroes seriously and at face value. Batman Begins was the best i think because Batman Year One is simply the best characterization i have ever read of him in the comics.


Batman Begins was good because Warner Brothers realized how bad they screwed up by letting Schumacher direct two Batman films and nearly kill the franchise. So with BB, they got two guys that love the comics and wanted to do it justice and gave them free reign. Batman Begins was essentially Batman without any studio involvement. It shows how good a movie can be when you don't let the execs touch it and leave it to people who are huge fans.

Schumacher was a fan of the TV series, which explains perfectly why the Batman movies became what they did under his control.
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#318723
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What should be bannable offenses on Originaltrilogy forums?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318723/action/topic#318723
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Darth Solo said:

So, for what its worth, which works best? stfu, s.t.f.u, STFU, or S.T.F.U!


STFU works best :) Not only do the caps give the impression your yelling, but the periods aren't necessary either. Having stfu in lower case would give the feeling you're being gentle about telling someone to shut the fuck up. So it should be STFU and GTFO. You can add an explanation point to go even further.

Glad I could help :)
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#318721
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Crystall Skull has GL's fingerprints all over it
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318721/action/topic#318721
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Cable-X1 said:

Whatever on the physics. The problem is they use too much CGI and it gets hokey.

I'm seeing this movie tomorrow night....damn I hope it doesn't suck.


Going into it with an attitude like that, why even bother? Seriously. A friend of mine just saw it last night with some friends. He didn't want to, but they wanted to go see it. If you don't want to see it, don't go.

I probably won't see it for a while, but my expectations are really low. I don't expect it to be better than Raiders or Last Crusade (I actually like Last Crusade the best of the series so far), but I can't imagine it being worse than ToD (my least favorite of the three).
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#318720
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EU books: Thats it..
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318720/action/topic#318720
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skyjedi2005 said:

It seems to me Lucas was probably Jealous that Zahn created a character just as good as the originals, as well as recued the franchise so he had her killed off.

The same way he had anakin solo killed because he thought having 2 anakin's in star wars was confusing.

Lucas could never admit that Zahn is a better writer than him, just like he cannot admit Empire director kershner made a better star wars movie than him.


Lucas doesn't make nearly the amount of decisions about EU that you're giving him credit for. Chewie was an exception because he was one of the main characters from the movie. Delving into Yoda's backstory has also generally been off limits or at least it was before the PT came out. All the authors seem to be focused on post NJO stories now though.

And why does everything with you have to revolve around Lucas being this great hater of people that might be better than him? Do you really think Lucas cares if Zahn is the better writer? Lucas knows he can't write that well and he hates writing (he practically says it himself in many behind the scenes documentaries for TPM).

skyjedi2005 said:

Killing off Anakin Solo made zero sense since it made chewies sacrifice in saving him in vain.


Blame the EU authors then, not Lucas.

skyjedi2005 said:

The same way ruining the creation of the characterizations of Tenel KA and Jacen from the young jedi knights series by Kevin J. Anderson and his wife Rebecca Moesta, ill never ever forgive them for that.


Ah yes, the oh so wonderful Jedi Academy series that sucked ass. I put one of those down when one of the teachers in the book told the students to practice lifting leaves with the Force instead of rocks. When a student questioned that, the teacher said "You have to start small". Excuse me? "Size matters not!" Just throw everything Yoda said out the window. Boulder or leaf, it can be lifted no matter how big it is.

skyjedi2005 said:

And to all those Kevin Anderson haters lucas stole all his ideas from his Knights of the Old republic and sith war comics. namely darth mauls double bladed lightstsaber and the sith backstory.


And that's pretty much the extent of what Lucas took from those stories. You say stole as if Kevin Anderson owns the property. Ask any of the EU authors. They write the stories, but Lucas owns all of it in the end. If he likes something, it's not steeling for him to use it since it's already his property. "Star Wars is Lucas' playground, we're just playing in it."
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#318719
Topic
EU books: Thats it..
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318719/action/topic#318719
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shimy said:

lordjedi said:

It's all in an effort to keep Star Wars feeling "real" and not making it escapism. Every single one of those deaths (well, actually, the more recent ones starting in Vector Prime) was a way to take the "These characters are safe" aspect away. It is one of the only reasons why I set the EU as an extremely low priority on my reading list. If I want realism, I'll watch the evening news. When I read Star Wars (or any other Sci-Fi for that matter) I want to escape. I want to go to a fantastical world where the characters I love win in the end and survive. I don't want to worry whether or not a character I've loved for years is going to suddenly bite it when I turn the page.

"Who's going to die next?" is what the EU has become. For that, I shun it.


see thats something that bothers me, if you were going for realism then some of the older characters would go. so far the big three haven't even been touched, instead they develop characters in the books then kill them off like 5 books later.

I donno if ill ever forgive denning for killing anakin in star by star, when the previous 5 books had highlight him as the major character of the series. FFS the 2 books before that had 3 characters anakin tahari, and vong. they fleshed out this huge story about him and tahari then boom.

the only major movie character to be killed so far is chewie.


They can't kill Luke (at least not directly). He can die of old age (witness Legacy), but I think that's about it. Lucas simply won't allow it. When Luke was mentioned as a possible target in Vector Prime, Lucas immediately shot it down.

Han and Leia are the next big two, but even their deaths would have an even bigger impact. Leia is pretty much a politician/diplomat even with the Jedi training. Killing her would be a huge blow to the Republic. Han's a father and courier for the Republic, but I can't remember if there was any other reasoning behind letting him live (I think they figured that since Chewie had the life debt and that he's always at Han's side, he'd never let Han be killed).

They basically picked a character that would have a big impact on the other characters, but that the galaxy could live without. The only good thing about his death is the way he died.

I get the feeling that they'll never kill Luke, Han, or Leia. They might die of natural causes/old age, but that's as far as it'll go. Either way, yeah, it's pretty lame that they build up a character and then kill them off in order to "keep things real and dramatic". Funny how Zahn never had to do that to write good stories. He's still hailed as the king of Star Wars EU.
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#318551
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Oh yeah!!! Lucas...clueless as ever.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318551/action/topic#318551
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thecolorsblend2 said:

The force field/radiation scanner thing never really bothered me. It's clear what the dramatic purpose was for; the in-universe explanation doesn't trouble me. It's esoteric high tech something-or-other that Naboo engineers obviously realized they needed in that corridor. It fits with the mise en scene established in other sections of the generator complex so I buy it. Don't take this as sarcasm or a flame, but if the lack of explanation is upsetting, I've got no argument for you. The fact that we're never told why ESB's carbon freezing chamber is raised so high up off the ground (aside from the production designer's requirements) or why the edges don't have guard rails (aside from dramatic license required by the script) never bothered me.

It's like the power coupling for podracer engines or visible beams of light coming from blasters. They work the way Lucas says they work because he says they work that way.


I think it can be assumed that there are no guard rails on the carbon freeze chamber because the controls are manually operated (Vader uses the Force to manipulate it). If someone falls in, they can be pulled out. I imagine an Ugnaut is pretty careful around it (they seem to be the ones in the area most, if not all, of the time). I also imagine that it's up on that platform to keep people from accidentally falling in. You have to walk up steps to get near it. It's not like you can just wander into the room and fall in. Kind of like how there are no guard rails on big oil wells. You have to climb a ladder to get inside one. If you're climbing the ladder, you obviously don't want something slowing you down once you get to the top.

As far as blasters go, apparently you didn't pay attention when reading Shadows of the Empire. It's a finding beam. You don't actually see the real laser, even though it comes right after the beam. Yes, it's a lame ass explanation that wasn't needed. It was put in for the bit head EU fans that always ask how you can see a laser in space. Same goes for Luke cutting through the magnetically shielded door with his lightsaber (same book). An unnecessary explanation that's easily filled in by fans (lightsabers can cut through anything, so they can cut through that). That lovely book has been responsible for more bullshit explanations that we don't need than anything.

I don't need everything explained. But when something feels so out of place that I'm asking "What's that for?", then it needs to have some kind of explanation. Sound in space does not bother me. Visible lasers do not bother me. Those things are fantastical elements that I can let slip. If I didn't, I wouldn't be watching a lot of sci-fi.
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#318550
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EU books: Thats it..
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318550/action/topic#318550
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It's all in an effort to keep Star Wars feeling "real" and not making it escapism. Every single one of those deaths (well, actually, the more recent ones starting in Vector Prime) was a way to take the "These characters are safe" aspect away. It is one of the only reasons why I set the EU as an extremely low priority on my reading list. If I want realism, I'll watch the evening news. When I read Star Wars (or any other Sci-Fi for that matter) I want to escape. I want to go to a fantastical world where the characters I love win in the end and survive. I don't want to worry whether or not a character I've loved for years is going to suddenly bite it when I turn the page.

"Who's going to die next?" is what the EU has become. For that, I shun it.
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#318546
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Crystall Skull has GL's fingerprints all over it
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318546/action/topic#318546
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I see no problem with this really. I think most of you guys exaggerate based on your disdain for the PT. I hate the PT as much as the next basher, but I don't hate it because of CGI. For the same reason, I'm not going to hate Indy IV because of CGI. If I do hate it, it'll be because of a bad story. Until I see it though, I'm reserving judgment.

And since I'm already a huge fan of two Indy movies (I don't like ToD so much), I'll probably have to see Crystall Skull 3 or 4 times before I can really pass judgment.
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#318469
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Indiana Jones IV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318469/action/topic#318469
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I agree. There was a time when Brendan Fraser was being referred to as the new Indiana Jones due to the Mummy movies. I thought those movies were good fun. They weren't Indiana Jones and I don't think the directors were going for that. The point is that there's no reason why we need to have "Indiana Jones and the..." in the title at all. Find an actor, put him in some adventure clothes, and make a movie about him going on an adventure.

The Mummy, National Treasure, and several others have done it just fine. It doesn't need to be part of a franchise in order to be successful, it just needs to be good.
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#318467
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Oh yeah!!! Lucas...clueless as ever.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318467/action/topic#318467
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thecolorsblend2 said:

I think the point is that a lot of things were done very unnecessarily. Look at the "Super Mario" chase through the factory in AOTC. What was that all about?

It's hard to believe that some sort of fight wouldn't take place when a Republic senator and the apprentice of a Jedi the Separatists had just captured wander in to the main production facility of said Separatists war machine.


Funny thing that. I don't recall seeing that much in the way of war machines even being visible in those scenes. I remember Anakin's arm getting locked down by a mold and then his saber getting destroyed (so much for being the chosen one). The only place I really remember things looking like a production line were when 3PO's body and head were separated in the droid construction area.

thecolorsblend2 said:

If we hold the OT to your same principle, I'd nominate the elimination of the Falcon vs. TIE fighter dog fight after Luke and co. escape from the Death Star. I always found it hard to believe that the Imperials really would've had enough time to scramble an entire squad of TIE fighters to intercept the escaping Falcon before it could make it to hyperspace. It seems like an excuse for another thrilling escape and a space battle, and little else. The same thing applies to the Falcon/space slug thing in ESB. That sequence doesn't tie directly in to the Rebels being pursued by the Empire so why have it? You could drop both sequences from the film without missing too much!

Of course, both sequences rock and nobody in their right mind would seriously suggest they don't belong in their respective movies. I'm just making a point here.

The SW films are, at the end of the day, adventure movies so you have to have action spectacles like that. Sometimes they're indespinsable to the plot, sometimes they aren't but they're fun... and that's the whole point.


And now I will make a counterpoint.

As BaronLando pointed out, there are several visible sentry ships in all the shots of the death star leading up to that point. Combine that with the following exchange:

Tarkin: Are they away?
Voice on comm: They've just made the jump into hyperspace.
Tarkin to Vader: I'm taking an awful risk Vader. This had better work.

And then with Leia's tracking comment, it was quite obvious that the TIEs had been prepared beforehand to give them a sense of having to fight their way out. They were being tracked, so if they had just been able to fly off without encountering resistance, it would've definitely seemed easy to Han.

The space slug was just another example of how things aren't always as they seem and that there's no end to the amount of alien lifeforms in the galaxy. In other words, they're not all bipedal. And yes, it was a way to give the viewer a rest before throwing everyone back into the action. But since it wasn't "We'll just stop behind this pointless force field", it actually made a little bit of sense.

Here's an even more extreme example of "What the hell is this for?" from TPM. On Naboo, during the saber fight, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and Darth Maul end up in an area that looks like it's for power generation. At some point, they're fighting down a hall that has pink shields for separating areas. What exactly is the purpose of these shields? What function are they really needed for on Naboo? Lucas and McCallum have been asked this question, in public, at least twice. Both times the answer was "They add dramatic tension by separating the foes from each other, but letting each other see their actions". Um, DUH! Again, we're not that stupid. What the questioner meant was "What is their purpose on the planet, not in filmese". That question, as far as I know, has still never been answered. And I personally think the explanation is lame.
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#318169
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State of the Trilogy/ annual SW depression
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318169/action/topic#318169
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skyjedi2005 said:

so lucas now thinks it is okay to add cgi to indiana jones?


1. Who said it was CGI? The only comment I've seen is that it's a different matte painting. Whether the matte painting is done in the computer or not doesn't necessarily make it CGI.

2. Who says Lucas made the decision and not Spielberg? Spielberg made all those changes to E.T., so who's to say he didn't make this change to Raiders?

I agree that this is an odd change if it's the only one. Why do it at all? Maybe they wanted to see more of the sky, but that's the only reason I can come up with.
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#318168
Topic
Oh yeah!!! Lucas...clueless as ever.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318168/action/topic#318168
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Mielr said:

boba feta said:

I think people pick on that movie because of it's swiss cheese plot.
Yeah, and I just remember it being a silly movie. I don't remember disliking the effects, I just thought the movie was fluff.


Isn't that exactly what it was suppose to be? I think the directors even said at one point that it was suppose to be a modern day B movie. There are plenty of plot holes in that movie after all. I actually find ID4 to be a pretty entertaining film as long as I don't think about all that stuff. Even the PT doesn't reach that bar.

thecolorsblend2: Unfortunately, a lot of the elements you mention don't work either because the message is being delivered in an extremely poor fashion or it wasn't the director's intention (probably a little of both). Nobodies like Anakin because he's "the chosen one". How can anyone be told that at the age of 10 and then possibly be expected to keep their powers in check? Look at Akira for a perfect example. Teenager attains godly powers and ends up destroying half of Tokyo in the process of ascending. And as far as Jar Jar being an exile is concerned, he was given a pretty high position by the Queen herself. He was also the one person that wanted to give Palpatine full control. If anyone is to blame for Palpatine's rise though, it's Amidala with her no confidence vote in TPM.

But all that's way OT. I think the point is that a lot of things were done very unnecessarily. Look at the "Super Mario" chase through the factory in AOTC. What was that all about? Even Natalie Portman asked that in the behind the scenes footage because it made no sense. Quite simply, a lot of "story elements" just made no sense and then even more stuff seemed to be tacked on to try and make it fit with the OT. Then the OT had to be modified to try and make it fit with the PT. If a lot more thought had been put into the PT, it would have been very easy to make it fit with the OT without modifying the OT.
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#317854
Topic
Robert Harris Godfather Restoration WHY cannot lucas restore the oot ?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/317854/action/topic#317854
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skyjedi2005 said:

his 300 page script for raiders is actually better than the filmed movie and more serious and less campy, it is up their with the dialogue of casablanca. it had the mine cart sequence in it and everything, that was of course saved for temple of doom.


That's definitely a matter of opinion. Casablanca was a great film for its time, but it's not Indiana Jones. I think if Indy had been like that, it would not have done nearly as well as it did.

skyjedi2005 said:

the six movie saga story of darth vader is revisionist history and a lie. it was always the adventures of Luke Skywalker as far back as the early script where it was the adventures of Luke starkiller. it was intended to be at first 12 then 9 film series. six of the films would have starred the middle trilogies cast. since their salaries must have gotten bigger on return of the jedi i can see why lucas decided to get a new cast and do the earlier episodes without mark hamill.


Or maybe it's just because those characters were to old to play the right parts. Since they were all under contract for 3 films, I doubt their salaries got bigger. There were no new contracts, so they were being paid the same amount as they already agreed to.

skyjedi2005 said:

Besides the fact that the films are all fiction and i am very aware of the fact, Luke Skywalker was a better hero to cheer on, and a better role model for children unlike a mass murdering killer of younglings, and whiny emo bitch like hayden's anakin.


Thank you Captain Obvious :P
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#317335
Topic
State of the Trilogy/ annual SW depression
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/317335/action/topic#317335
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Baronlando said:

Just to make this all more annoying, more and more I'm encountering this mistaken idea out there that old movies would NOT benefit from Hd/blu-ray, so why should they bother buying.


Digital bits actually had a piece on that after Warner announced they were bringing a whole bunch of catalog titles to Blu-ray. They basically told people to NOT expect a pristine looking print and that film grain would almost certainly be visible because it was expected to be visible. This is for movies like Ben Hur and anything older.

Film buffs will expect that kind of thing. I think your average viewer won't though. Having a little flyer within the case explaining it is probably enough. Basically, they just need to educate people the same way they had to educate them about widescreen vs full screen "The black borders at the top and bottom of the picture are perfectly normal".
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#317241
Topic
What order would you show the Star Wars movies to your kids?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/317241/action/topic#317241
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Cable-X1 said:

Look at it this way.....would ANYONE here show their kids The Holiday Special before they see anything else? Who knows? You might be jinxing them into hating SW cuz the HS makes the whole thing look STUUUUUUUUPID.


Oh hell no! If my kids want to torment themselves when they're older, that's fine by me, but the HS will never be allowed anywhere near my TV.

I've heard plenty of Star Wars fans so "It's a right of passage" when referring to seeing the abomination that is the Holiday Special. If someone had told me how utterly horrible it was, I wouldn't have bothered to watch it myself. The ONLY good thing about it is the animated segment. The rest is utter crap. I've even told other fans when they said they hadn't seen it "You don't need to. You don't want to. It is SOOOO bad, that you're better off NOT seeing it". Of course, that prompted the "right of passage" line from someone that had seen it.

The Ewoks and Droids cartoons I think I can tolerate. The HS is so bad that it might be worth having, but it's not worth watching.
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#317219
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What should be bannable offenses on Originaltrilogy forums?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/317219/action/topic#317219
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Johnboy3434 said:

lordjedi said:

HAHAHAHA! That has got to be the biggest joke I've ever heard. Stop with the scare mongering. Go ahead and prove it. Here's an email address: findmenowyo@yahoo.com. Now get me all the details on it and I might believe you. Feel free to PM those details to me.


Let's see here: You live in Kazook, Missouri. Your father's name was Itchy, you have a wife named Malla, and a son named Lumpy. And you're a closet furry with a fetish for pregnant squirrels. Feel stupid now, don't ya?


D'oh! So close! My son's name is actually Loopy. Like I said, so close.
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#317210
Topic
State of the Trilogy/ annual SW depression
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/317210/action/topic#317210
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Fang Zei said:

is that I'll read reviews of blu-rays saying stuff like "the image is superior to the sd dvd."

....

Umm, I would certainly hope it is.

You do need a pretty big screen to see a really significant difference, I'll give them that. Toshiba definitely thought ahead by throwing in anamorphic widescreen. But then again NTSC is still NTSC and PAL is still PAL.

My point with all this is, it will be hard to get everyone to buy the movies YET AGAIN without throwing in the OOT remastered. Even with a widescreen tv, you're going to need a lot of incentive to rebuy something on blu-ray thanks to the future-proofness of the dvd transfer of the same movie that you already have.


I thought NTSC and PAL were essentially obsolete with the advent of LCD TVs, digital signals, ATSC tuners, and HDTV? My 50" HDTV CRT TV and Cyberhome DVD player don't seem to care about PAL anyway.
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#317207
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What order would you show the Star Wars movies to your kids?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/317207/action/topic#317207
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Johnboy3434 said:

Cable-X1 said:

I would show my younglings the original versions of Star Wars, Empire and Jedi in that order.

There's nothing else to show...

If they discover anything else after that, that's their business. I will not be the one to show them any of the shit that came afterwards.


Bitter, much? So you would stick to your own OT fundamentalism instead of introducing your kid to three movies (just movies, mind you) that they might potentially enjoy? If they don't like the PT either, just shut it off, but to not show it to them just because of your own aesthetic tastes is disturbingly extreme.


Oh, I'm sure my son would enjoy the PT...for a few minutes. And even if he sits through them right now and loves every minute, I have no doubt that when he's 16 or even older, he'll sit down to watch them and say the same thing that I say about Thundercats (pick any random bad 80's cartoon) "I use to watch this crap?"

Contrast that with the OT (and other good 80's cartoons like Robotech). I can sit down and enjoy them time and time again. They never get old. No matter which version I watch (OOT or any fan edits, I don't do SEs), I always enjoy them.

The PT on the other hand is barely tolerable to me. TPM seems to get worse every time. AOTC and ROTS are better and actually tolerable, but they're still bad. Even the fan edits can't remove all the crap.

My kids will see the OOT and if they take a liking to it, I can only hope they'll watch it as much as I did (every day for 3 months when I was a kid during summer). When they get older, if they ask about the prequels, I might throw the DVDs in the player so they can see for themselves what a horrible botch job Lucas pulled. I'd rather see them enjoy something that they'll still enjoy as adults then show them something they'll enjoy right now and then later look back and say "I can't believe I use to watch this crap".
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#317206
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What should be bannable offenses on Originaltrilogy forums?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/317206/action/topic#317206
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Nanner Split said:

lordjedi said:

So they have your email address, so what? It would be like getting a message on a MySpace page.


WRONG

If someone that knows what they're doing gets hold of your e-mail address, they can access as much personal information as they want with a little work.


HAHAHAHA! That has got to be the biggest joke I've ever heard. Stop with the scare mongering. Go ahead and prove it. Here's an email address: findmenowyo@yahoo.com. Now get me all the details on it and I might believe you. Feel free to PM those details to me.

You're going to need a bit more information than just an email address in order to find real personal information. I'm not your average internet moron that creates a bunch of public profiles everywhere and puts all my personal information into them. I've been using online services since before BBSs became huge, so I know a thing or two about keeping my identity private.

But this all comes back to the previous point. A modern 6 year old will naturally put in all the information a site asks for and they'll be truthful about it. But why does a 6 year old even need an email address? They don't. And even if they did, the parents should be monitoring the usage and making sure the 6 year old doesn't put anything in the profile that'll be made public.

When I was 6 we didn't have to worry about it since online services and email barely existed and none of them were interlinked. Today, everything you put out there is out there, which is why I'm pretty careful about what I put out there.

So go ahead and find all the information you can on that email address. I'm genuinely curious to see if you can even do anything with it besides send it some email. Have fun!
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#317100
Topic
What should be bannable offenses on Originaltrilogy forums?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/317100/action/topic#317100
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bkev said:

Personally, I wouldn't have let a six-year-old have an e-mail, which apparently you did. But I'm glad that you're giving them freedom; not letting your kids answer the phone is a crime.


Why is that? When I was a kid, we didn't have caller ID. There was no way to know who was calling until you answered the phone and asked. That's why my parents had a rule that we weren't to answer the phone if they were home. If they weren't home and someone asked for them, we were always suppose to say that they were working in the yard or they were in the shower. That way if some crazy person were calling, they'd think our parents were home.

With caller ID this is much less of a problem, but the problem still exists. You can now tell what number the person is calling from unless their number is blocked. Personally, if my kid needs to take a call, that person can talk to me first anyway.

Arnie.d said:

Johnboy3434 said:

Arnie.d said:

Well, that's the kind of law that's easily abused. So if you want to legally kill someone you only have to trick them to set foot on your property and you shoot them. Or what if you are hiking somewhere and you step onto someone's property without even knowing it, you risk getting shot.


The law says they have the right to shoot them, no that they have to shoot them. Any rational person wouldn't shoot a tresspasser on sight unless they saw a weapon (or recognized the person as a dangerous individual). Hunters may still need to watch where they step, but surveying the terrain is part of any good hunter's preparation. As for tricking them onto the property, that's harder to get away with than you might think (without leaving potential evidence or witnesses behind, anyway).

Yes, but the law is the same for people who don't think rationally.
Lets say your girlfriend cheats on you with your best friend. You can invite them over and shoot them dead when they walk onto your property.


If your girlfriend and "best friend" (a real best friend would never do that) come over after doing that, they deserve to be shot just so their stupidity does not get passed on to their offspring (assuming either of them ever have any kids).

Arnie.d said:

But anyway, I looked up the law and it seems more nuanced then just being able to shoot anyone:

"Senate Bill 378 extends a person’s right to stand their ground beyond the home to vehicles and workplaces, allowing the reasonable use of deadly force when an intruder is:
- Committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes;
- Unlawfully trying to enter a protected place; or
- Unlawfully trying to remove a person from a protected place.
The law also provides civil immunity for a person who lawfully uses deadly force in the above circumstances. The use of deadly force is not lawful when it is used to provoke or if a crime other than a Class C misdemeanor is committed by the victim.

I think it's an excellent law. I wish we had something like that in the Netherlands.



Yes, the law is a bit more nuanced than Psycho led us to believe. It's not just a shoot whoever you want when they're on your property kind of law. Of course the above situations are helped by having witnesses. If there are no witnesses, the police will probably have to have an investigation to make sure you were complying with the law.
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PSYCHO_DAYV said:

DUDE, YOU'RE A SERIOUS JACKASS. I HAVE VERY RESPONSIBLE CHILDREN, SO THEY ARE ALLOWED TO ANSWER THE PHONE OR CHECK EMAIL. HOWEVER, WHEN awk STARTED TRYING TO CONTACT MY DAUGHTER I DELETED HER EMAIL ACCOUNT. HE THEN STARTED SENDING HER EMAILS VIA MY EMAIL ACCOUNT. TO ANSWER A QUESTION I WOULD CHECK HER ACCOUNT FIRST. SHE NEVER SAW THE EMAILS. OH, AND POLICE AND PHONE COMPANIES ARE DIFFERENT FROM CITY TO CITY. I LIVE IN A VERY BIG CITY. UNLESS THERE IS A GUN INVOLVED CAN EXPECT THE POLICE TO GET BACK TO YOU HALF PAST NEVER WHERE I LIVE.


I live just south of Los Angeles. The phone company and police department are very good at helping you with this type of thing. The phone company sets up a trace (your asking for it) and the police department fills out a report. The purpose of the trace is to gather evidence. Same for the report. The police don't even have to visit you on the same day.

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

WE HAVE A GREAT LAW IN TEXAS. IT'S CALLED THE CASTLE LAW. IF ANYBODY FOR ANY ORNO REASON AT STEPS ONTO YOUR PROPERTY YOU ARE ALLOED BY LAW TO SHOOT THEM DEAD. ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY WHEN THE POLICE SHOW UP IS THAT YOU FELT THREATENED OR YOUR TOLD THE PERSON TO GET OFF YOUR PROPERTY BUT THE PERSON REFUSED. END OF STORY. IT'S HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES HERE JUST IN THE DALLAS AREA.


I'm aware of that law and I think it's a great one. I wish we had something like that here in California. That goes back to my statement "When they show up at my door...". That's not the same thing as going and hunting them down though.

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

YOU KNOW, lordjedi, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BAITS PEOPLE INTO ARGUMENTS. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU THINK THAT YOUR OPINION IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS RIGHT. YOU NEED TO TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT YOURSELF BEFORE YOU ACCUSE OTHERS OF DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALREADY DO.


No, I don't think I'm the only one that's right, I'm just really sick of retarded people (and it's not just here, it's all over the place) that think the police need to be called after one or more EMAILS from a stranger. So they have your email address, so what? It would be like getting a message on a MySpace page. You just block the person and, maybe, report it to the police. Kids (yes, I think anyone under 18 is a kid) don't need to be threatened with their life for making weird ass comments.

This is why I don't think we need new laws for "internet harassment". We already have anti-harassment laws and they're very effective. No need to draft up new ones specifically for the Internet, especially when it's far easier to put someone on an ignore list.

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

YOU'VE JUST BEEN PUT ON IGNORE. I SUGGEST THAT OTHERS DO THE SAME.


Just like you did here. Did I mention that I don't care? Yeah, because I'm really not going to lose sleep over being put on an ignore list.