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#238500
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Star Wars: 30th Anniversary (2007 - New Box-set)
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
There will be more changes to the films
For crying out loud.....when is this bullshit going to end?

As long as fans are more willing to hand over their money than to complain, it probably won't.
I wasn't going to buy the 9/12 release, but I'm going to now cuz I don't think we're ever going to see the OOT again. This is it and we mind as well not miss it.

If Lucas can be convinced there is money to be made by spending what it takes to give the OOT a proper release, he will do so in the end.
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#238457
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George Lucas' business conglomerate
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Wow. I'm amazed at how you keep finding all this stuff.

Actually, it's not that hard at all. It's all out there, but some of it can be a bit tedious to track down, but since I'm having fun looking it up and reading the articles in their entirety, I hope I can serve a purpose by posting the most interesting parts of them here. If people aren't too bothered by these posts, I'll keep posting these snippets from time to time.

I think it's much more interesting to find out what the people who were involved with these films were really thinking and doing back then over listening to the latest iteration of Lucas' retrospective comments about his supposedly grand vision, which never actually existed, at least not nearly as set in stone and as detailed as he claims.
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#238301
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From T-Bone...
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Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
An "ultimate 30th anniversary" set without the fricking movie that turned 30 is too retarded even for Lucasfilm...

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Anyway, going by what has surfaced about the September 12 release thus far, I'll hold off on this one and wait and see what the 2007 set brings. I won't really enjoy Star Wars again until I can patch together my own edition anyway, and in the end I won't be surprised if I end up with no better sources to make my own edit other than the X0 project and the 2004 DVD.
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#238286
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George Lucas' business conglomerate
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To the moderators: If you remove messages, please, for constructive purposes, leave the users with some feedback and reason!

Excercept from Time Magazine, Monday, Mar. 6, 1978
George Lucas' Galactic Empire
Get ready for Star Wars II, III, IV, V ...
[...]
The whole purpose of his cosmic [business] conglomerate, Lucas says, is to make money so that he and his friends can escape the tyranny of the studios and make good movies—or at least the kind of movies they like. He was traumatized by his experience with American Graffiti, where Universal arbitrarily cut five minutes from his finished version of the film. He vows that it will never happen again. "It wasn't a film by Lucas," he says bitterly. "It was a film made by me with changes by the studio. That isn't fair." One of the first jobs of Medway Productions will be to put American Graffiti back into distribution. It will be shown, with the five minutes restored, this May.

"I'm simply trying to become a free man. I'm trying to set up an alternative film making that allows me more freedom to do what I want, within certain parameters. We're trying to make a company that will respect the personality and individuality of film makers. Part of my good fortune is to be making progress in that direction. I feel it's a destiny of sorts." He is already helping, free of charge, his friend Francis Coppola cut his epic Apocalypse Now and trim it to something like four hours.
[...]
Lucas said when he was making Star Wars that he was giving up directing, and, true to his word, SWII will be directed by Irvin Kershner (The Flim Flam Man and Raid on Entebbe). "But I've always thought," he says, "that sooner or later, somewhere down the road, I will go back and do another one. But it will be toward the end of the cycle, about 20 years from now." Would you believe 2001?


20 years from 1978 takes us to 1998, at which point Lucas was seated in the director's chair for Episode 1. While this is likely as much a coincidence as it was a conscious decision on his part, imagine for a moment what a Star Wars legacy we could have been left with if he had stayed as true to his talents and original vision as he did to his promise of directing!
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#238260
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George Lucas' Galactic Empire article - from Time, in 1978 (re plans for 12 episodes)
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From Time Magazine:

George Lucas’ Galactic Empire

Get ready for Star Wars II, III, IV, V …

Posted Monday, Mar. 6, 1978

Last time we saw him, you may remember, Darth Vader was tumbling away to a safe star, and the evil Galactic Empire, momentarily stunned by the mysterious Force, was licking its wounds in preparation for… Star Wars II, of course, and the further adventures of Luke Skywalker. Already scouts are scouring the globe for exotic, unworldly-looking locations, from the jungles of central Africa to the arctic wastes of Lapland, and shooting is expected to begin next February. If all goes well, the Star Wars sequel will be out by Christmas of 1979.

Along with Luke, Darth Vader will be back, as menacing as ever, as will Princess Leia, Han Solo, the Wookie Chewbacca and computerdom’s cutest robots, Artoo Detoo and Threepio. There will also be several new characters, “of various genres,” as Creator George Lucas phrases it, together with “aliens, robots and others, including humans.” What about Obi-wan-Kenobi, the role that last week brought Alec Guinness an Academy Award nomination for best supporting actor? Lucas is suddenly circumspect. “Obi-wan’s aura will be there,” he says cautiously, “his essence, if you like.”

Whatever it does to the Galactic Empire, the Force has all but taken over little earth, and Lucas has formed something like a galactic empire of his own. Star Wars I seems likely to ring up anywhere between $300 million and $400 million around the world, making it the biggest grosser in film history. An additional $200 million or so will come from toys, records and the myriad of other Star Wars gadgets and gimmicks.

Anticipating his share, an estimated $80 million, Lucas has set up four corporations: Star Wars Corp. will make Star Wars II and the ten, count ‘em, ten other planned sequels; Medway Productions will make other kinds of films, including a sequel to Lucas’ 1973 hit, American Graffiti. Sprocket Systems Inc. will provide special effects for the Star Wars progeny and any other films that need its services, and Black Falcon Ltd. will market books, records, toys and other spin-offs from Lucas’ films.

The whole purpose of his cosmic conglomerate, Lucas says, is to make money so that he and his friends can escape the tyranny of the studios and make good movies–or at least the kind of movies they like. He was traumatized by his experience with American Graffiti, where Universal arbitrarily cut five minutes from his finished version of the film. He vows that it will never happen again. “It wasn’t a film by Lucas,” he says bitterly. “It was a film made by me with changes by the studio. That isn’t fair.” One of the first jobs of Medway Productions will be to put American Graffiti back into distribution. It will be shown, with the five minutes restored, this May.

“I’m simply trying to become a free man. I’m trying to set up an alternative film making that allows me more freedom to do what I want, within certain parameters. We’re trying to make a company that will respect the personality and individuality of film makers. Part of my good fortune is to be making progress in that direction. I feel it’s a destiny of sorts.” He is already helping, free of charge, his friend Francis Coppola cut his epic Apocalypse Now and trim it to something like four hours."

 

Most of Lucas’ new riches have indeed gone into his various projects rather than into his pocket, and his life has hardly changed since May 25, when Star Wars rocketed onto the screens. He still drives a 1967 Camaro, still wears the same Levi’s and cords, and still walks around in the same battered shoes and sneakers. When he leaves his home in San Francisco for the Los Angeles movie labs, he stays with friends in the unfashionable San Fernando Valley, avoiding the Beverly Hills-Malibu axis as if it were enemy territory, which for him it is. The only real change is that he has finally finished furnishing his house in San Francisco, and he and his wife Marcia, one of the best-known film editors in the business, have allowed themselves to relax on weekends.

Lucas said when he was making Star Wars that he was giving up directing, and, true to his word, SWII will be directed by Irvin Kershner (The Flim Flam Man and Raid on Entebbe). “But I’ve always thought,” he says, “that sooner or later, somewhere down the road, I will go back and do another one. But it will be toward the end of the cycle, about 20 years from now.” Would you believe 2001?

Would you believe it! 20 years down the road from 1978 makes for 1998, at which point Lucas was again seated in the director’s chair for Episode 1. Now, this is as much a coincidence as it was a conscious decision on his part of course, but imagine what a Star Wars legacy we would have been left with if he had stayed as true to real talents and original vision as he did to this vision for directing!

 

Mod Edit: a link to the above article can be found here:-

https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,915986-1,00.html

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#237825
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The Revenge of the Jedi
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Originally posted by: JarHead413
The point being what exactly.....that lots more movies suck these days? That's a given really.

The point being that this was mainly about Star Wars and Lucas, and not the entire movie industry as such. I thought this old press release was a slightly amusing read since it was so old, so I decided to share it.
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#237799
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: tellan
okay, I had a new way to come up with the atmosphere. find all the shots of tatooine with atmosphere haze added. the problem here is that the existing blue atmosphere haze is basically solid, not transparent so I've had to balance new haze, against blending with the blue already present.

It looks better, although I still think it stands out and catches the eye of the viewer a little too much (well, my eyes anyway). I don't think this is what you want, as you probably prefer the viewer to focus on what's going on with the spaceships in the foreground for the most part, while the background planetscape panoramas serve as a little extra eye candy to spice the scenes up.

I think adywan's dark, soft and faint haze works quite well though. It doesn't look like the atmosphere of the Earth, but that's OK since this is Tatooine, and the atmosphere still does have a stronger sense of realism to it I think. It complements the reddish brown colors in the rest of the image well, as a thicker blue atmosphere would also have left the planet surface closest to the viewer with a very slight, though visible, blue tint (and I, personally, don't think you should go that route -- too big a change).

I sincerely hope I haven't come across as pedantic by bringing this issue up, but after all, we are talking about the opening shot of Star Wars! In the end it can be a tough call, since this is where impressions of artistic vision and knowledge of physical reality have to blend with each other. For example, independent of your editing, the planet surface in these shots has never looked quite realistic to me, but in my opinion it still looks good! Also, the background stars wouldn't be visible with your regular camera if you were shooting these scenes in space, and as we all know there's no sound in space either, but I'm not going to ask you to modify or remove any of those! In the end it's a compromise and there are a lot of factors to weigh up against each other, and it's all up to you and how you want to see Star Wars. Again, I would like to say that I really enjoy seeing the results of your work, and besides, if I hadn't cared at all, I wouldn't have bothered to make these suggestions.
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#237773
Topic
The Revenge of the Jedi
Time
31 Aug 1982

"Jedi" A Box-Office Bonanza for 1983

By BOB THOMAS
Associated Press Writer
HOLLYWOOD (AP) - With "Star Wars" earning more millions five years
after its original release, the nation's theater owners can look
forward to another bonanza next summer: "The Revenge of the Jedi."
It's the third of George Lucas's space trilogy, part of a saga that
may expand to a total of nine films. "Jedi" has completed principal
photography: 12 weeks in huge stages at EMI Elstree studios near
London, two months of locations in the desert of Yuma, Ariz., and the
redwood forests near Crescent City, Calif.
Now the film is in the hands of the wizards at the Lucas
subsidiaries, Industrial Light and Magic and Sprocket Systems, at San
Mateo in northern California. Howard Kasanjian gave a progress report
by telephone from production headquarters.
"We're in the post-production stage now, and the special effects
are a mammoth undertaking," reported the producer. "Everything is on
schedule, but we'll probably finish two hours before the final prints
have to be shipped, as with 'Star Wars' and 'The Empire Strikes
Back."'
Like Lucas, Kasanjian is a graduate of the University of Southern
California film school. He joined the Directors Guild training program
in l965 and worked as assistant director for Francis Coppola, Sam
Peckinpah, Elia Kazan, Billy Wilder and Alfred Hitchcock.
Kasanjian hooked up with Lucas to produce "More American
Grafitti," was executive co-producer on "Raiders of the Lost Ark"
and producer of "The Revenge of the Jedi."
"The new film is as big if not bigger than the first two," said
Kasanjian, 40. "A lot of action, a lot of excitement. As the
conclusion of the trilogy, it answers a lot of questions: Is Vader
really Luke's father? Who gets the Princess? Does she live? Will the
robots stay together? Will they be melted down? Audiences will learn
more about the characters, where they came from, how they became what
they are.
"It's a super film - though I never want to get hyped up about any
picture. Even though I knew we had an excellent script with
'Raiders,' I didn't say anything about it. A week before it was
released, nobody knew what it was about."
"The Revenge of the Jedi" brings back the principals of the two
earlier films: Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Alec
Guinness, Billy Dee Williams, Frank Oz, etc. The director is Richard
Marquand of Great Britain. Cost of the new film reflects its expanded
scope, as well the the inroads of inflation. Kasanjian cited these
figures:
"Star Wars" - $10.5 million.
"The Empire Strikes Back" - $25 million.
"The Revenge of the Jedi" - $32.5 million.
"If we made 'Star Wars' today it would cost $22 million,"
Kasanjian remarked. Labor in Great Britain "has risen 33 per cent
since 'Empire' three years ago. The cost of living allowance for
Americans has risen 49 per cent."
The producer remarked that Lucas has a story outline for the next
three films of the saga. The scripts may be written at the same time,
with the first two being filmed simultaneously - "so we can release
one every two years instead of every three years," said Kasanjian,
adding cautiously: "Whether we go ahead depends on the reaction to
'Jedi'."
Meanwhile the money machine grinds on. Lucas and Steven Spielberg
have a finished script for the "Raiders" sequel, tentatively called
"Indy 2," and filming is scheduled to begin next spring.


From wookiees to ewoks, from venerable artist to reclusive businessman, from "Empire" to "Doom".
As far as movies as an art form is concerned, it all went downhill from here.
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#237564
Topic
There is another
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From Rolling Stone, June 12, 1980, an interview with George Lucas (by Jean Vallely):

Jean: "... Let's get back to 'The Empire Strikes Back' for a moment.
In the movie, Ben says Luke is the last hope and Yoda says, no, there
is another."

Lucas: "Yes. [Smiling] There is another, and has been for a long time.
You have to remember, we're starting in the middle of this whole
story. There are six hours' worth of events before STAR WARS, and in
those six hours, the 'other' becomes apparent, and after the third
film, the 'other' becomes apparent quite a bit."

Jean: "What will happen to Luke?"

Lucas: "I can't say. In the next film, everything gets resolved one
way or the other. Luke won the first battle in the first film. Vader
won the second battle in the second film, and in the third film, only
one of them walks away. We have to go back to the very beginning to
find out the real problem."


I'm almost surprised he had this much sorted out even back then.
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#237550
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: tellan
oh I'll be releasing it, but I'm waiting for the release in september to see if I can get any better footage for a few scenes.


tellan,

This is an impressive edit, one I really look forward to seeing! I've scanned through the entire thread and seen some of the in progress work, and it looks great! I'm tempted to do my own edit, but I'm holding off for the moment in the hope that Lucasfilm will eventually provide us with better digital source material, so that fewer changes would be necessary to end up with a satisfactory result. (Hopefully we get a better DVD release in 2007.)

Looking at the "opening crawl" sample you provided though, it seems to me that the Tatooine atmosphere has become a bit too saturated. Not saying that it doesn't reflect the original look (I don't know about that), but the effect of an atmosphere isn't really convincing to me anymore, The transition between atmosphere and space is a tad too sharp as well. It is the saturation that really stands out in my eyes though. Here are some similar stills of our own planet:

Real:
Earth and Moon 1
Earth and Moon 2
Earth and Moon 3
Earth horizon

Rendered:
Horizon 1
Horizon 2
Blue Marble East

Some of these are pretty saturated as well, and I'm not saying the color balance is correct, but the atmospheres still come across to me as more convincing. Just a suggestion though, this is all about artistic preferences and personal taste. And again, keep up the good work, I look forward to seeing the finished result!
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#237502
Topic
How George Lucas created the O-OT fanbase...
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
I dont think we will ever see it again in all honesty, I think they pretty much drew the line with this release, and I just cant see uncle George getting his wallet out to spend the bucks bringing it upto standards for any type of proper release seeing as he isnt keen on it anyway.

I think the most important factor by far is money. If Lucas thinks he can earn more money off a proper OOT release than it takes to produce it in the first place, then it will come out at some point. Back in the day before the release of the SE, I vaguely remember reading on one of the SE fan sites (I think it was red4.net if anyone remembers that) that every single frame of the OOT was restored and scanned in very high resolution to be preserved on digital media for the future. Does anyone else have any recollection of this? If this is indeed correct, I have no doubts whatsoever that, sooner or later, we will get all the versions of the OOT we can wish for.

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#237497
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The music in the prequels.
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen

It seems Lucas was a better score manipulator with the O.T. than he became with the prequels. Maybe copy-paste wasn't a technical feasiblity back then ... or maybe his talent in this area tanked over time just like his other talents.

I believe this is pretty much spot on. Editing rolls and rolls of tape recorded music was clearly a more time consuming and challenging process than dragging and dropping sound samples in a sound editor program today. I couldn't care less about Lucas' statements that it is today's technology that allows him to finally fulfill his vision, because I happen to think that the technology that existed around 1980 was by far the superior technology to fulfil the audience's vison of Lucas' work. And that it what matters to most people.

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#237494
Topic
What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Less fanboys.

Are there really that many people who truly cherish the PT? Time will tell, but I doubt it. Seeing as it's just over a year since the last movie of the PT was released, I can understand that those films still fascinate a good number of people, as is almost always the case with the latest CGI and SFX productions. I think most of those fans will have moved on in a few years though, and if it wasn't for the fact that the PT has had the same logo as the OT tacked onto it, the brand name which signifies one of the most successful works of art in movie history, it would have more or less forgotten about by now.
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#237491
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From T-Bone...
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Originally posted by: SilverWook
I honestly can't think of any other practical way Howard could have been done live action in 1986. Man in a (duck) suit was really the only way to go. There was also a puppet used for some shots.

Speaking strictly in terms of live action I think you're right, but they could have opted to do him as a cartoon character and combined him with live action, as was done in Roger Rabbit. Maybe they didn't because of budgetary reasons, but even a cheap attempt at this would most likely have looked better than what they ended up with.
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#237313
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From T-Bone...
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Originally posted by: SKot
Originally posted by: And Chewbacca will be replaced with a Gungan.

To be honest, at some point, especially before the release of TPM, I did get the impression that Jar Jar was intended to be the Chewbacca of the PT, the non-human, non-droid character who were to tag along with the others, fully intended to be part of the team. To me, the by far most interesting aspect of Jar Jar was to see the stark contrast between how fondly his creators spoke of him in interviews during filming and leading up to the premiere of TPM, and the harsh reactions of the audience and fanbase afterwards. I have no doubts whatsoever that Jar Jar's cameo roles in AOTC and ROTS are the result of the overwhelmingly negative response to his character and that we would have seen a lot more of him had the reactions of the moviegoers been favorable.

In fact, I struggle to think of a more ill-conceived and inappropriate movie character than Jar Jar Binks ever. Howard the Duck was bad (not really sure how bad, since I haven't seen the movie in years and years), but to me this represents more of a failed attempt at bringing a character from the comic book to the silver screen, since at least he worked reasonably well in the comic books (I think, never read any of them). I can see how others see this differently of course, but to me Howard the Duck was mostly, as I remember it, a result of exceedingly poor design and execution (a guy in a duck suit just doesn't cut it for a live action movie). Any other candidates, anyone?
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#236585
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The creation of the Star Wars logo
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Is there an area on her site that has some of the original pencil drawings or inked version of the logo?
I haven't found anything related to those early pencil drawings, but I've found some logos used in the early marketing:

Not sure where these two come from, but they appear to be similar:
http://www.toysrgus.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=51029
http://www.toysrgus.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=38242
I've seen some very early "story of a boy, a girl and a universe" trailers with this one:
http://www.dvdscan.com/sw_1.jpg
And I just found one of those very early trailers, it can be seen here:
http://dogfoodsugarvideofilter.blogspot.com/2006/08/boy-girl-and-universe.html
If trailers are anything to go by in terms of understanding the visions of the filmmakers (and at least in this case, I think they are), this just goes on to show how much Lucas' "vision" has changed over the past 30 years. It's sort of like "gritty sci-fi graffiti" vs. "teletubbies in space".
Very interesting story Davis, thanks for the link.

I second this!
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#236576
Topic
POLL: WORST ACTOR OR ACTRESS IN THE PT?
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape

But sadly, his was another character that was just underdeveloped. Sure, he was the best developed of the apprentices, but is that really saying a lot? He just sort of pops out of nowhere in AOTC and is introduced as this man of mystery. Is he the bad guy? Or has he found enlightenment? Did he order the clones? So much unexplained about not only his motives but who he really is, other than a former Jedi who traded in his robes for a cape. He could have been so interesting.


They really should have gotten rid of the cheesy and dull character that was Darth Maul and had Christopher Lee play Sidious' right hand in all three films, as well as given him more exposure and fleshed out his background a bit more. Then they really should've gotten rid of the embarassing slapstick, romance and political intrigues, and after that, as well as the addition of a plot and story, we just might have been left with films worth watching more than just once. But really, as far as I'm concerned, there are only three Star Wars movies, and there is no backstory (which means that I ignore the PT). The prequel movies are officially Star Wars films, simply because Lucas says so, but that, of course, doesn't change anything for me.
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#236545
Topic
The creation of the Star Wars logo
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Originally posted by: SilverWook
That's an interesting read. Especially the part about George wanting the logo to look "fascist". Some people have been saying for years the medal scene in Star Wars looks like something out of "Triumph of the Will".


Seeing how George let himself be inspired by WW2 dogfights for the space battles and (I believe) nazi uniforms for the imperials, I can understand why some attribute the medal ceremony to be inspired by nazi propaganda shots like this (still shot from "Triumph of the Will").

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#235416
Topic
The definitive list: changes you can and can't stand...
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For all the talk about the changes, how about some omissions? There are some things I personally would have preferred to have been cut, even from the OOT. For example, I've never liked the slapsticky and cartoonish tint that was added to ROTJ, and for my own fan edit, there are a few things I'm likely to at least try to remove (if possible):

- The clips of the droids being torured in Jabba's dungeon, accompanied by cartoonish screams
- A few clips of Jabba's tiny annoying laughing creature
- The sarlacc burp (never cared that much for Fett, but this is bordering on too stupid)
- Chewbacca's Tarzan brawl (how's that for pulling you out of the moment)

Of course, I don't want the films to appear too pompous and turgid either, after all they're just fairy tales and a few moments of comedy is in order, but even as a kid I didn't really like the above mentioned things, and I wonder how the various scenes would fit together with these clips removed.