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#1314548
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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Morgan the Boost said:

Started thinking about Empire and Jedi today.

ESB was so radically different and full of new and shocking ideas compared to SW77.

ROTJ was less bold, less original, and had far less to say, just wrapping things up quick and efficient, and throwing an extra “Surprise you’re related to someone!” that kinda comes out of nowhere.

Now I look at the ST and here George’s words again… it echoes. Like jazz.

I think this one threw more curveballs than ROTJ. Palpatine returning is pretty big. Finn being Force-sensitive is also technically new, even though it was teased a lot at in TFA. Force diads was a new concept.

Maybe it’s just that I’ve known it as long as I’ve seen Star Wars, but I feel like Leia being Luke’s sister isn’t as big of a reveal as Rey being Palpatine’s granddaughter. Rey’s backstory is something that was a huge mystery and made out to be so important in TFA. In ROTJ it feels like it’s something just tacked onto Leia’s character.

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#1314391
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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yotsuya said:

liamnotneeson said:

DominicCobb said:

To me what makes characters interesting are there arcs, not just how “fun” they are. TFA and TLJ accomplished this. TROS had cool character ‘moments,’ but it’s just about impossible to track any of the characters stories scene to scene. It’s a mess, which really sucks as a conclusion to their stories (especially when many of them undermine the lessons of the previous films).

I think that this is a result of TLJ. The second act of a trilogy is when most of your character’s development should occur, and Rian wasted it with the already-infamously bad Canto Bight subplot.

I disagree. I think TLJ had a lot of character development. Poe, Finn, and Rey each face a major character flaw and come out the end of the film changed. Poe learns the difference between bravado and leadership. Finn learns what it means to believe in a cause. Rey realizes that she can’t look to others and must rely on herself. All very important character moments and all very crucial to the finale in TROS. The characters in TFA could not do what the characters do in TROS without the changes in TLJ. Everything Johnson did in TLJ, Abrams took and used for TROS. Sure, more was added to Rey’s parents, but only who they were related to. They still were nobodies who don’t even have names. As far as I’m concerned, all the ruckass about TLJ and TROS changing course is nonsense. Everything I got out of TLJ is still valid and necessary to TROS. And I loved the Canto Bight subplot. It added a dimension to the Star Wars galaxy and I think it helped Finn find out who he is.

I see what you’re saying, but I think all of those things fell flat in TLJ.

In my opinion, making Poe out to be brash and foolhardy was a poor arc for the character. It’s really easy to give a character like Poe a flaw like that. It felt like Rian sat down and thought, “What should Po do? How about I make him learn to not be reckless?”

How did Finn learn to believe in a cause? He tried to jump ship, went to a planet where he learned the Resistance was funding the eeevil rich people on Canto Bight, killed his old boss, then almost got away with saving the Resistance before Rose told him that “you not going to win by fighting what you hate.” He learned to believe in a cause, how? By almost sacrificing himself? When did he learn to do that, on Canto Bight? Look, man, I’m not a huge critic of TLJ, but this in my opinion is a massive flaw with the movie, the throwing away of Finn’s character.

Rey realized to rely on herself, not look at others, okay. It’s so great that she used that lesson in TROS- she never would have killed Palpatine if she hadn’t learned to not rely on others…

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#1314387
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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BedeHistory731 said:

liamnotneeson said:

Mos disappointing thing hands down was no Anakin. I wanted him so badly and we came so close to having him in The Rise of Skywalker. Without him any new movies are meaningless, because he is the Chosen One

I’d rather just get rid of the whole “Chosen One” crap.

The prophecy of the Chosen One is arguably the over-arching theme of the entire original 6 movies

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#1314278
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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DominicCobb said:

To me what makes characters interesting are there arcs, not just how “fun” they are. TFA and TLJ accomplished this. TROS had cool character ‘moments,’ but it’s just about impossible to track any of the characters stories scene to scene. It’s a mess, which really sucks as a conclusion to their stories (especially when many of them undermine the lessons of the previous films).

I think that this is a result of TLJ. The second act of a trilogy is when most of your character’s development should occur, and Rian wasted it with the already-infamously bad Canto Bight subplot.

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#1314160
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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Omni said:

liamnotneeson said:

MalàStrana said:

liamnotneeson said:

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

Yeah after 7 movies how dare RJ try to add new layers. Lucky for you TROS has “fixed” all of that (gievn the result, it was not a really good idea…)

But yeah, RJ also missed the point but at least he tried something. JJ doesn’t try anything.

Yeah, after 7 movies in a franchise based on the most obvious good guys versus bad guys stories ever, adding a schpeel about how the good guys and bad guys both suck probably isn’t a good move.

TROS didn’t even “fix” that anyways, it retroactively fixed the other things RJ did in TLJ, like Snoke being killed off, Rey still being OP, Luke hiding (kinda, implied that he was also looking for the Sith planet), and her parents being nobodies.

But do you really think that Rey is not OP anymore just because she’s related to this one person? Brother, we have very different interpretations of the force and how it works.

You’re right, it didn’t really fix it, just offer a insufficient explanation

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#1314118
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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CamSMurph said:

I saw The Rise of Skywalker in 4DX 3D on Thursday night. Some of you may think I’m mental, but I absolutely loved the experience!

The 4DX motion technology did its job effectively to highlight some of the action sequences, be them a high-flying chase in the Millennium Falcon or an edge-of-your-seat lightsaber duel between the forces of light and dark.

I know a lot of you may disagree with me on this, and I wholeheartedly understand, but I found Emperor Palpatine to be legitimately intimidating in this film. I daresay, even moreso than in the original and prequel trilogies!

Nobody does it better than Ian McDiarmid, who pulls out a fantastic performance with what he was given by Disney, but what makes him a true figment of one’s nightmares would be his appearance, shrouded by dark, shadowy lighting, ominous Latin chanting from his fellow Sith loyalists, his deeper and more venomous tone of voice, and the cold, sinister machinery he’s attached to.

The rest of the cast give amazing performances as well, including Daisy Ridley as Rey, Oscar Isaac as Poe Dameron, John Boyega as Finn, Adam Driver as Kylo Ren, Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker, Carrie Fisher as Leia, and Anthony Daniels as C-3PO.

Speaking of Leia, J.J.'s production company Bad Robot managed to make the most out of the material left from the previous installments, on top of digitally altering her appearance to fit with the new aesthetic.

As to be expected, there is fan service aplenty, ranging from the return of Billy Dee Williams as Lando Calrissian to a brief cameo at the end by the Ewoks from Return of the Jedi.

There are also emotional gutpunches throughout the film, as the central characters deal with loss after Chewie’s alleged death and Leia’s inevitable death. In fact, the most emotionally resonant scene will have to be a really heartfelt moment towards the end, but I’ll leave you to figure that one out for yourselves.

In fact, I found the overall tone and feel of the film to be darker than The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi combined, partially due to McDiarmid’s epic performance as the Emperor!

On top of that, the story in of itself isn’t all that bad. You can tell the film is doing some serious backtracking after the backlash TLJ received, and I think Abrams and co-writer Chris Terrio did the best they could to tie up loose ends and deliver a satisfying conclusion to the saga, even with the eventual reshoots.

I will admit that certain plot points do take a backseat to some of the fan service, and I did feel a bit cheated during the climax after hearing a majority of the leaks circulating the web, especially the one detailing the Millennium Falcon’s destruction.

These indeed serve as a detriment to the quality of the film as a whole, but to be fair, they didn’t bother me as much as it did others. I still had fun with what we ended up getting, and given the fact I’m not usually too big on the Star Wars franchise, that’s saying a lot!

I give the film an 8.5/10 on its own, but I give it a 10/10 just for the 4DX experience alone! Trust me, it isn’t worth seeing any other way… except for IMAX, I guess.

I’m glad to see someone enjoy McDiarmid’s performance as much as I did. I have my gripes about it on a meta level, but just on this movie alone I love the dark, creepy atmosphere of Exegol and the Emperor. In its own right, it works really well and is a good strength of the movie.

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#1313884
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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MalàStrana said:

liamnotneeson said:

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

Yeah after 7 movies how dare RJ try to add new layers. Lucky for you TROS has “fixed” all of that (gievn the result, it was not a really good idea…)

But yeah, RJ also missed the point but at least he tried something. JJ doesn’t try anything.

Yeah, after 7 movies in a franchise based on the most obvious good guys versus bad guys stories ever, adding a schpeel about how the good guys and bad guys both suck probably isn’t a good move.

TROS didn’t even “fix” that anyways, it retroactively fixed the other things RJ did in TLJ, like Snoke being killed off, Rey still being OP, Luke hiding (kinda, implied that he was also looking for the Sith planet), and her parents being nobodies.

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#1313868
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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MalàStrana said:

Hal 9000 said:

I love Rey’s hair during her conversation with Kylo after they fight off the praetorian guards and the tug of war for the saber.

Best action scene of the ST. Great looking composition. Nice choregraphy. Might even be the best moment of the ST, where RJ was turning the tide… too bad the following half hour was kinda regressing after 2 hours of boldness.

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

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#1313858
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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I really enjoyed this movie, and seeing all the reviews and people rip on it bums me out. I feel like I really should hate this movie, especially for what it does for to the character of Anakin and his sacrifice, but aside from that I really liked this movie. I’ll be seeing for a second time after Christmas, so we’ll see then. I really do enjoy all of these movies, but i feel like I have a duty not to.

I just think Palpatine was a nice way to wrap things up, that’s all.

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#1162191
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The Last Jedi: The De-Feminized Fanedit
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HerekittykittyX said:

i think its the funny way to troll feminists and political correct culture.

I don’t like talking politics where isn’t not warranted, and I probably agree with you on PC culture, but it’s not "troll"ing anyone. No one is actually getting ‘debunked’

dahmage said:

Yes, holding sexist views is unpopular here.

Except he didn’t express any sexist views

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#1162190
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The Last Jedi: The De-Feminized Fanedit
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SparkySywer said:

liamnotneeson said:

DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

GylesReynek said:
People that do stuff like make a de-feminized version of Star Wars are the exact type of people the Rebels are fighting against. This dude is Hux IRL.

Ridiculous statement.

But sadly true

I don’t remember the Resistance fighting against muh misogynists last time I watched any of the Star Wars movies, and I don’t remember Hux saying anything about women. Correct me if I’m wrong

The Empire and the First Order are both pretty conservative. They’re divine right monarchies that require allegiance to a societal hierarchy, founded to restore the glory days that may or may not have even existed.

Sorry for being late, but did you and I watch the same movies? When does the Empire ever harken back to some glory days? The First Order only acts in a way that it could be interpreted like that because they believe themselves to a literal continuation of that same government

And when, in any Star Wars movie, is there any belief in some kind of Divine Right? There’s a huge difference between wanting to rule the galaxy and using the Force to do so, and believing that you have a right from GOD to exist as a government

There is hierarchy in the Empire/FO because they’re a militaristic organization- the Empire is based on Vietnam-era USA. The Empire/FO doesn’t have a social hierarchy because of any belief or society philosophy, it’s just military structure

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#1160514
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The Last Jedi: The De-Feminized Fanedit
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MalàStrana said:

Some old SW fans might not be happy with the way the new movies are made, but it was expected from a studio that delivered Frozen, Hannah Montana and so on over the last decade… Disney is girly-oriented, so are the new SW movies… just deal with it

Star Wars has always been about the diverse rebels versus the white male bad guys, and it’s so funny to see people take their frustration with the plot on “the Chinese chick” and the diversity. I completely agree with you- everyone knows that Disney appeals to as many audiences as possible, and people that are shocked that the cast is more diverse than in previous films are way behind

Also, I don’t understand how having the major points of the plot rest on female characters makes the film “SJW”. Just because main characters are female and said female characters actually play a part in the plot, and not just to be women on screen, doesn’t mean that social justice narrative is being preached

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#1160508
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The Last Jedi: The De-Feminized Fanedit
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TV’s Frink said:

liamnotneeson said:

DominicCobb said:

liamnotneeson said:

DominicCobb said:

liamnotneeson said:

DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

GylesReynek said:
People that do stuff like make a de-feminized version of Star Wars are the exact type of people the Rebels are fighting against. This dude is Hux IRL.

Ridiculous statement.

But sadly true

I don’t remember the Resistance fighting against muh misogynists last time I watched any of the Star Wars movies, and I don’t remember Hux saying anything about women. Correct me if I’m wrong

You’re not wrong, but you are missing the point.

So you’re assuming that the antagonists in a fictional story would be the kind of people to have a prejudice against women?

Yes, although not necessarily in-universe.

You’re making the illogical assumption that since a fictional character or organization is “evil”, they must align to your view of evil, which in your case includes misogyny

I’d love to hear your defense of misogyny.

Oh shit, why am I engaging someone who used a far-right asshole as his avatar until a moderator forced him to change it…

Can you learn to engage in polite discourse when talking to talking to me?

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#1160410
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The Last Jedi: The De-Feminized Fanedit
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DominicCobb said:

liamnotneeson said:

DominicCobb said:

liamnotneeson said:

DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

GylesReynek said:
People that do stuff like make a de-feminized version of Star Wars are the exact type of people the Rebels are fighting against. This dude is Hux IRL.

Ridiculous statement.

But sadly true

I don’t remember the Resistance fighting against muh misogynists last time I watched any of the Star Wars movies, and I don’t remember Hux saying anything about women. Correct me if I’m wrong

You’re not wrong, but you are missing the point.

So you’re assuming that the antagonists in a fictional story would be the kind of people to have a prejudice against women?

Yes, although not necessarily in-universe.

You’re making the illogical assumption that since a fictional character or organization is “evil”, they must align to your view of evil, which in your case includes misogyny