Both movies are clocking right now somewhere between the 2h57m and 2h59m. So they are similar in length to the theatrical versions of LOTR. I just need a little feedback to make sure the story is tracking nicely.
In the interview he did with EW he spoke of Bard’s silhouette being the original breaking point: https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Peter-Jackson-Explains-Where-Hobbit-Would-Have-Been-Split-Two-Movies-40721.html
The one he didn’t specify is the split for the Necromancer storyline.
Let me know if you wanna check it out!
Hal 9000 said:
I’d like to see a two-film version be pulled off seamlessly. Where are you breaking things up between them?
I’m breaking it off where Peter Jackson intended originally when it was a two parter, which is when Bard’s sillhoute appeared in front of the company leaving their fate in a cliffhanger. And when Gandalf confronts the Necromancer, leaving his fate also as a cliffhanger.
Being seamless is one of my absolute objectives since to me it breaks the immersion when you can feel something’s been tampered with.
I can send you the link for part 1 if you like.
I’m in the process of finishing fan edits of The Hobbit (I know, yet another one) and I need previewers.
My main objective is trying to restructure it back into 2 films as they were originally shot. I know this has already been tried by other fan editors but I’ve always felt that they still have too much excess.
Both of the films have to be compatible and uniform with the theatrical versions of LOTR, which means they need to be evenly paced and be under 3 hours each.
If you are interested in watching Part 1 and give feedback please send me a PM and I’ll send along the link.
I think a simple fix would be to change the word ‘attacking’ to ‘silencing’ in the crawl:
“Flames of rebellion burn across the galaxy. The tyrannical First Order has retaliated by
attacking silencing any planetary system that supports their enemy.”
Not only does it suggests that the First Order has made it difficult for people to communicate, which is why Poe might think that the galaxy has given up, but also it adds weight to the theme of “They win by making you think you’re alone”.
I thought the Poe/Zorri dialogue worked well enough in its original form. This way there would be no need to change it.
Hey Hal! Has there ever been any talk of cutting to something else between when Rey tells Leia she’s going on her quest to Exegol and her prepping the Falcon?
I’ve always felt the cut from one scene to the other to be a bit abrupt although I’m not sure what footage would be fitting to have there.
This looks like a highly promising project. I just rewatched TPM and noticed how the pace of the movie starts dragging when it gets to the podrace and Coruscant. I would love to watch an HD TPM that contains the original tempo and editing.
Taking a stab at the crawl:
The shadow of the FIRST ORDER has spread across the galaxy. To suffocate the spark of rebellion, all treasonous acts are mercilessly silenced.
As Rey, the last hope of the Jedi, continues her training under General Leia Organa, their fledging RESISTANCE gathers intel to forge a path to freedom.
Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren rages in search of his grandfather’s SITH WAYFINDER, certain it will guide him to the secrets of his former master’s power…
Has anyone checked this out?
Seems like an interesting way to set up the story.
Hal 9000 said:
That’d probably make more sense. My idea was to imply that tracking Snoke’s miscellaneous stuff would lead him to Palpatine, like following a marionette’s strings to its animator.
But that’s hard to get across, and doesn’t make immediate sense as Kylo rummages through Darth Vader’s sock drawer.
I think it works well enough. The “determined to unlock the secrets of his former master’s power” is directly addressed and paid off in the opening exchange bewteen Kylo and Palpy. “At last. Snoke trained you well.” “I killed Snoke, I’ll kill you.” “My boy, I made Snoke…”
Right away, secret unlocked.
As for why he needed his grandfather’s sith wayfinder to figure out this particular puzzle, I think it’s implied that this is the latest in a string of clues that he has been hunting to unlock this particular secret. Maybe there could be a subtle way to reinforce this notion in the crawl.
Doesn’t look like we’ll be getting any deleted scenes 😢
As someone who dismissed the theatrical cut as an incomplete film and wanted to wait till the deleted scenes to get the real film, I’m sorely disappointed.
Hal 9000 said:
It’s hard to imagine TROS in particular being subjected to much fan editing, being such an aggressive and breakneck movie. I will try to understand it, but I suspect it’s as vacuous as it seems. No one had the chance to put any thought into it, so the surface level is the entirety of it.
I do get the feeling there’s more depth and thought put into it than what the theatrical cut suggests. From hearing JJ and Chris Terrio talk about the themes of the saga, I feel that when we get the deleted material back in the film we’ll get a fuller picture of what the filmmaker’s real artistic expression was before they stuck the film in a blender. I may be wrong, but that’s my perception/hope.
I doubt they’ll release an extended edition since Star Wars is very particular about its canon and they probably don’t wanna open that can of worms with an alternative cut.
But as long as we get deleted scenes then I’m sure this community will be able to pick it up from there 😉
In this interview Domnhall Gleeson and Richard Grant confirm that one of the scenes that got cut out of them in Mustafar with Kylo will be on the extras of the home release.
I hope to god that it doesn’t have the timecode like the TFA deleted scenes and hopefully this means they’ll release all the other stuff they cut out.
I get that, but I feel some things could be cut. I feel like the opening battle with Kylo is totally worthless.
I agree that it was worthless but it’s because they cut out everything that was worthwhile from the sequence.
If the leaks are to be believed, (which they should because they were generally right) the movie opened with a broadcasting tower surging out of the ground of Exegol and we actually see/hear Palpatine’s message being sent to the galaxy.
Kylo has been tracking down clues to Snoke’s power and he slaughters the villagers (in what I think is the healed forrest of Mustafar) to the dismay of Hux and Pryde who consider the whole thing a fool’s errand.
Kylo was said to get a meeting with an Oracle alien who challenged him on still having feelings for Rey and who ends up telling him that he can find the wayfinder device in Vader’s castle (this device belonged to Vader and the one in the DS wreck was Palpatine’s). Apparently that’s when he was supposed to get his first PTSD force flashback like he does later on and hear Palpatine’s voice for the first time.
Cut to Rey training scene essentially just like it was in theaters except it’s said that she was trying to contact Luke’s ghost to no avail (which if they would’ve kept in, it would’ve made his return as a ghost later on much more impactful).
After Rey hands Leia the lightsaber, it was supposed to cut back to the Knights of Ren and Kylo getting his helmet put back together on Mustafar by the ape-man. This ape-man apparently also helped him activate the wayfinder device. AND THEN…
we get the scene of Kylo getting to Exegol and meeting the Emperor.
There’s shots of Leia in the teaser reminiscing about Han by holding his medal. This would’ve made, not only Han’s appearance much more emotional but also it would make it seem less out of place that Chewie suddenly gets a medal at the end.
Lando’s first appearance had him explaining that he never left Passana after Luke and him where there because he had a daughter who was kidnapped by the First Order and he was afraid to leave in hopes that one day she would return (it mirrors Rey wanting to stay on Jakku in hopes of her parents coming back). This strikes a chord with Finn because he was also kidnapped by the FO. Knowing why he didn’t wanna leave would’ve made Lando’s entrance at the Rebel base much more impactful. Not to mention his scene with Jannah at the end was meant to suggest that she was said daughter.
There was build up, set ups, character introductions, thematic through-lines that got smothered out of the film just so they could cram it into the shortest runtime possible. This way they get more showtimes and keep it at a family-friendly length.
This movie, unlike any other Star Wars movie, is aching for an extended/director’s cut, because the one in theaters clearly ain’t it.
My feeling coming out of the film isn’t that the film should be shortened via fan edit but rather extended through deleted scenes.
I hope to god they have them on the bluray and that they don’t have the timecodes like TFA.
When the tickets were first being sold, the runtime was said to be 2h 35m. It seems to me like they did a final squeeze in order to get more showtimes and get a more family friendly runtime. And, oh boy, can you tell. Particularly in the opening act.
If you’ve been following some of the leaked stuff then you know there was much more to this movie than what we got. Palpatine’s reveal was meant to build up throughout the first act instead of just being dropped in out of nowhere from the very beginning.
Lando was supposed to have a daughter that was kidnapped long ago to become a stormtrooper. The end was meant to imply that it was Jannah. But without that set up, you only get them randomly meeting without any idea of why they’re talking to each other. It even makes the exchange seem potentially creepy.
I really hope that we get the deleted stuff in the Bluray because I could feel a good film trying to burst out of the seams of what ended up feeling like a rushed, unearned mess.
I have updated the file to fix some audio stuff I missed. I’ve also fixed a misspelling in the new crawl, slightly extended Poe’s prank call, reinstated Luke’s shoulder brush and reinstated original music for saber toss with trims for better timing.
It’s still the same link, for those who have it.
When TLJ came out I had a lot of mixed feelings. I loved so many things in it but felt like there was too much tonal whiplash.
Then I heard Rian Johnson’s commentary track and he explains that what he was most nervous about was the humor because, for security reasons, these movies don’t get tested with audiences. I consider testing to be an essential part of filmmaking, especially if you’re making a mass appeal movie.
So I’ve approached this edit as if I was hired to recalibrate the final cut after getting feedback from test audiences (which in this case it’s the world).
I have lovingly borrowed Hal9000’s TLJ: Legendary edit to use as a base since I felt he addressed many things I would’ve and work from there.
Changes from HAL9000 (new changes bolded):
New Crawl that explains who Rey is in relation to the Resistance. When sitting in theaters and Finn asked “Where’s Rey?” I thought that an unsuspecting audience member would ask “Who’s Rey?” given that the film expects you to be in the know.
Used Main title music from Attack of the Clones for a more bombastic performance.
Removed shot of General Hux looking at Captain Peavy after “A single light fighter”
Trimmed the opening ‘prank call’ joke to prevent it from venturing into SNL territory while retaining the core of the humor
Removed two shots of BB-8 doing the wack-a-mole to tighten the pace.
Trimmed Paige kicking the ladder slightly
[Reinstated Hux being berated by Snoke (V2 change)]
Used poppasketti’s audio to change the emphasis as Luke tosses the lightsaber (V2 change)(Reinstated original music and trimmed for better timing)
Reinstated the ‘Luke Has a Moment’ deleted scene (Audio transition tweaked slightly by poppasketti in V2)
Reinstated the deleted scene where Poe gives Finn back his jacket (with scene transition provided by OT.com user pleasehello) (Audio transition tweaked slightly by poppasketti in V2)
Removed Luke’s joke “All right, that is pretty much nowhere”
Trimmed away the lone porg who gives Chewie the doughy eyes, though leaving the joke intact otherwise
Removed Luke’s line to R2, “Nothing can make me change my mind.”
Added shot of Rose opening up the ring from later and color correct it so it looks like Laura Dern is holding it as she speaks of the symbol. Added shot of Oscar reacting to it. (Might not be perfect but I think it goes by fast enough that you buy it)
Partially reinstated deleted scene of BB8 showing Finn the hologram of Rey so their hug at the end is a proper payoff.
[Reinstated Finn telling Rose to breathe at their first meeting (V2 change)]
Removed Rose saying “You too” after Finn’s “May the Force be with you”
Removed Rose repeating, “They can track us through lightspeed“
Tightened up Finn and Rose’s reaction to Maz’s “Oh yes, he can” for better timing.
Removed both appearances from the ‘Caretakers’ on Ach-to (with a visual effects shot courtesy of OT.com user snooker)
Reinstated the Caretakers and the deleted scene of them giving Rey the stink eye.
Tightened up Luke’s leaf joke for better timing.
Cut down the first sequence at Canto Bight to focus solely on finding the master codebreaker(also removing sounds of coins rattling around inside BB8 in two shots)
Partially reinstated Canto Bight so we get introduced to the kids from afar and we get to know Rose’s backstory. (BB-8 coin bit is still gone)
Blended the original Anakin lightsaber ignition sound with the existing different sounds for two shots
Added Caretaker Village deleted scene. I think it’s necessary to have that dramatic fall out.
Made it appear as though Finn and Rose follow DJ out of the cell, briefly elude the guards, and the scene ends. Next time we see the trio, they are already in hyperspace (also removing the implication in the later scene that BB8 helped steal the ship).
Removed Rey asking Kylo Ren is he has a cowl to put on(REINSTATED)
Added a center wipe transition from the scene with Finn, Rose, and DJ in hyperspace to the fleet losing their medical frigate
Used a few shots from a deleted scene to remove the iron/spaceship gag, which borrowed from an old spoof which laughed at Star Wars rather than along with Star Wars (film speck removed by OT.com user poppasketti)
Trimmed some of the comedy with BB8 being placed under a basket
Trimmed the heavy, direct hinting before Snoke’s death,
using musical score from TFA (courtesy of OT.com user poppasketti)
Removed the detail from Kylo Ren that Rey’s parents are buried in the Jakku desert, as this seems at odds with the vision we saw in The Force Awakens.(REINSTATED)
Removed “Lets go, chrome dome”
Moved the scene with Luke and Yoda to immediately prior to Leia looking out over Crait (using audio and video provided by OT.com user Darthrush)
Removed Finn’s line about the battering ram canon being “old Death Star tech,” and in V2 reinstated Poe’s line, “A what now?”
The crate Luke sits on as he talks with Leia is now stationary and motionless, unaffected by him (effect provided by OT.com user poppasketti)
Removed Rey’s triple-TIE combo shot, with the Falcon’s involvement in the battle being first revealed with its shadow sweeping by and a single TIE being shot down(REINSTATED)
Trimmed Hux ordering fighters to follow the Falcon, leaving this poor tactical move to be attributed to Kylo Ren’s emotional priorities
Removed Finn’s line, “Oh, they hate that ship!”
Removed Hux repeating Kylo’s orders as to not diffuse the tension.
[Reinstated Finn’s full self-sacrifice sequence (V2 change)]
After Rose saves Finn, removed her line about not “fighting what we hate” and “saving what we love.”
Removed spot on the sun as Luke gazes out after collapsing, which caused some presumably inadvertent misdirection for some upon first viewing (courtesy of OT.com user poppasketti)
Snuck in a Wilhelm scream… somewhere in the movie.
Special thanks to Hal9000 for not only being an inspiring fan editor but also a very generous community member. And to everyone that helped make his edit, thank you for lending your talents for us dorks to enjoy! We stand on your shoulders.
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I have to agree that the original timing is one of those things that are so seared in our brains that it will be really hard to watch without having the feeling that something’s off.
That being said, your visual effects are beautiful and I’m really excited to see what you come up with in other shots!
I remember watching ROTS in theaters when I was 8. Although Anakin burning to a crisp was certainly hard to watch I was able to enjoy and appreciate the darkness of the story. I don’t think TFA has anything quite as dark as that. The only thing that I think could be very intense is probably Han’s death but even that is not overtly graphic.
It looks great. The one thing that I think could be improve is the ship’s movement. It starts out and then it feels like it decreases speed and settles in place towards the end. I feel like the speed could be more consistent.
Jedit: It might just be my eyes playing tricks on me.
Really impressed with V3 Hal. Definitive version of the movie for me!
It’s the movie. It’s been criticized before for being very darkly lit.
In regards to including the Imperial Cadet scene, I think the scene in the Tie fighter is probably not good since it has unfinished FX.
But the court tribunal scene I think could be a valuable insight into Han’s character and how he doesn’t really fit in a structure, being a rebel by nature. Also I think it can stand alone without the setup since Han essentially explains what the incident was.