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sherlockpotter said:

Hal 9000 said:

sherlockpotter will solve this or it’ll just remain poop.

Oh god, Hal himself just hinged the success of whole project on me. Fuuuuuu…

How does this sound for a v2 of the line? If it’s not perfect yet, let me know; but I’ve been listening to the same two seconds of audio for the past few hours, and I’m starting to lose objectivity. I’ve heard it so many times - and I’m hyper aware of where the different seams are - that I’m not sure if it sounds fluid or not. I need an fresh set of ears!

I’ve added an extra layer to smooth the transition a little more, re-pitched a couple of syllables, and I’ve been shuffling the different pieces around by a few thousandths of a second to make it flow better. Thoughts? Be brutal.

https://streamable.com/dwfbr9

Sherlock, could you please post your final clip for everyone in a WAV file? Excellent work.

Also when you say you “added an extra layer” what does that mean precisely?

dgraham414 said:

As much as I appreciate the work done on the “become a Dyad” line I just don’t like that idea narratively. For me, the fact that they are a Dyad from the start explains so much about their connection even before they met. I don’t want to beleaguer the point so I guess I’ll just leave it at that…

Saying “we’ve become a dyad” ends the possibility of always having been a dyad. Saying “we are a dyad” leaves it open to interpretation in either direction… they could have always been one or recently become one. For me, becoming a dyad in the force is more interesting because it means that perhaps Snoke inadvertently made Rey and Ren uber powerful by facilitating the bridging of their minds. I like the change and it’s done seamlessly here. What starts off as a strong connection can become a dyad given the right environment.

CMMAP said:

Definitley appreciate that you encode it for me, if you didn´t started yet crf 20 is fine, no need for crf 18.

CMMP, I have a 4K encode almost finished going at crf20. Also I realized that Staxrip (the program I’m using to encode) does not automatically apply a de-banding filter to smooth out unnatural gradients (different than deblocking)-- Handbrake, a different program but without true 10 bit end to end, seems to always have de-banding on by default. So in addition to the better crf of 20 now there is proper de-banding, and the picture is noticeably better (perhaps even close to perceptually lossless in most scenes now). Final filesize is estimated at just over 12GB and should be ready later today.

Kylo already defines dyad in the movie. Two that are one. And when Palpatine is healed it instantly and clearly expands that definition.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I would like an opinion - does poppa’s added in line feel natural to the rest of you? It’s the “you were right” line.

I only ask because I know what line was changed, and as a result I always am anticipating the subtle differences. Maybe it sounds just fine and I’m imagining it.

I feel like this is an important thing to discuss if we’re going to try the same thing again with another line.

I agree, the you were right line stands out yes but it was still done so well by poppasketti. It’s very difficult to blend two completely different voice actors as the same character in the same scene with a different sfx chain. He cleverly spliced in pieces of Driver’s voice along with his own. So it’s a matter of how important is the change versus it not matching 100%. My preference would be no V.O. from a different voice actor because for me it’s always very noticeable. This is noticeable but it’s still very acceptable.

From what I remember, the line is very punchy maybe with a lot of brickwall limiting and in your face with a little extra sfx applied to help cover up the different voice.

Amazing job on the ship intro text. Great example of superb VFX work.

Also, what software or plugins did you use to implement your 2.0 to 5.1 conversion?

jarbear said:

So now just sitting an thinking about it, “Why have the clones of him as an old guy?” Kinda like, you are going to go on a road trip, and instead of filling up your tank, you fill only fill it up a couple of gallons.

Intellectually this makes sense, and I like it. In implementation though with the very brief scene, the casual viewers would have no idea wtf was going on unless you subsequently sat them down and explained what they were seeing.

Many thanks to CMMAP for the critical eye and comments. I encourage anyone who watches the edit to do the same.

Below is what I plan so far for updating to v1.3. If anyone else has additional comments on how to improve in the next day or so, I will gladly take them into account.

1. Tweak and improve every scene of Batman’s voice to result in a more consistent level of gravitas.
2. Correct the motion tracking error for the VFX in the added scene of a woman hiding in her car (during the gassing of Gotham).

CMMAP said:

If it makes a bigger difference in encoding time, crf 20 would be probably enough quality i can live with for sure. I know that i´m kind of odd in this regard 😄

• 1:11:59 (when the guys head got smashed into the mirror) --> looks like a or 2 or 3 frame drops. Checked with the original and there isn´t any stutter
• 1:29.05 - 1:29.27 --> seems to be off again like 1:08.33 but less distorted

I can encode at crf 18. It won’t take any longer to encode than crf 20. I have a fast PC so a full 4K encode using HEVC (H265) usually takes about 10-14 hours depending on the content. I just set it at night and the next morning its done. Trying the same thing on my macbook would take about 60 or more hours to encode. lol

When the guy gets smashed into the mirror, yes I did cut his head turning which was necessary to remove the peeing the way the scene and audio was done. So I’m ok with this. At this point I won’t be making any more changes to the video portion unless I find a serious glitch like optical flow errors.

The scene at about 1hr29m (Batman and Rachael in the Batcave). Yes I definitely see your point again with the Bat vocals. I realize also that this and the scene at Gordon’s trashcan both had some noise reduction I applied. I am removing it which will also help the issue quite a bit.

CMMAP said:

• 1:08.33 to 1:09.06 --> his voice seems way different than in the rest of the film, more hollow and “siri”-like. Is it possible to get it like in 1:20.44-1:20.54?

Good point here. The voice in this scene is just not great. In fact I went back to the original scene to listen and it seems like a joke.

The original scene suffers from two problems. First Bale used an especially bad voice, and second the EQ was not great. So I have played around with adding some more low end to this and also to modulate his voice down just a slight bit more. I changed around the effects used as well and while I will never be able to make it sound like the better voices he used, I can make it much much less bad. Maybe even slightly good.

Thanks for the help. And I’ll respond to the rest of your post as well.

CMMAP thanks for clarifying. I’ll go through your comments in detail and respond in more detail later. As far as Batman’s voice goes it’s not possible to get them all to sound just the same because Bale uses vastly different voices in each scene. The good thing is in the sequels he uses similar voices whenever he’s Batman. I had to tweak the effects to get them to sound as similar as possible.

CMMAP said:

As per my little review in the Review-Thread, astonishing work you´ve done here.
The problem is, no i´m keen to see what you can do with the superb The Dark Knight and not so outstanding dark knight rises 😄
But i figured you´re not planing anything like this.

Little note: perhaps a lower value for the crf would awesome, somekind around 18. Don´t know if staxrip produces any difference in quality between 22 and 18, could you shed some light on this matter?

CMMAP thanks for watching and especially writing a review! I am really happy with how this edit turned out. I could definitely do an encode at crf 18, (there would probably be a difference to discerning eyes) but that would produce a filesize likely around 30GB (or possibly larger with the amount of grain). Now if that’s something you want, I can do that. I could provide a Super HQ crf18 version for temporary download. Let me know if you want a very large file like that.

As far as lowering Bruce’s voice tone, this really was a trade off between settling for Bale’s unsuitable, high pitched normal voice and a few parts where running sfx on the just center channel might not sound 100% natural-- such scenes audio have to be totally rebuilt from scratch. There were a few scenes that were so unnatural (robotic) sounding I had to do just that-- rebuild them from scratch.

Let me know any scenes with Bruce’s voice that still strike you as too artificial sounding, and I’ll take a second look at those to see if they can be improved easily. One notable scene is Bruce seeing Rachael outside the hotel; the L and R channels carry reverberation from the original voices and could be heard by the discerning ear as a very slight chorus effect. Some scenes I did rebuild the audio from scratch but not this one because I felt the voice was just normal enough not to warrant the major effort to redo all music and foley SFX. I would appreciate it a lot if you could identify which scenes or Bruce’s lines stood out the most for you, regarding Bruce’s lowered voice.

thanks

krausfadr

The simplest and most effective thing to do for the puppet show would be for one big puppet AT-AT to be firing at Luke (just someone making a laser sound effect their mouth), then Luke raises his hand and sends it toppling over. An extended or complicated puppet sequence would start to get very fan edity.

EDIT: The person who came up with this concept is a genius.

Update: I’ve made a few unreleased Workprints and corrected various major mistakes. Currently am encoding what should end up being the the official 4K release of TDK: Retribution (somewhere around 10GB). If that looks good to me without mistakes then I’ll also encode a 1080 version at a smaller file size and release both. Should be this week.

dgraham414 said:

Downloaded the clips I needed 😃 Thank you so much!

Anytime.

Delpheas said:

The fleet chatter is beautiful, and as much as I do appreciate the old Jedi ghosts for what they represent in that sequence, I’m doing a No Palpatine version cus I hate that they used Palpatine instead of some dark side vision where Rey confronts herself. So in my version, no Palps at all, just Rey confronting the fear that she’s going too dark instead of finding real balance between datk and light.

Best of luck with the no Palp version! Possibly many scenes could be drastically reordered to make it appear that Rey confronts Ren on Exegol before he is redeemed, and she throws him down the chasm. Anyway, whatever storyline you go for, hope you are satisfied.

dgraham414 said:

krausfadr said:
Would mxf and wav 5.1 be suitable for you?

Yes that should be fine 😃

dgraham414 below is a a link to my clips folder. Inside are a few clips including a high quality lightspeed skipping clip, video file is mxf in prores and audio wav in 5.1 channel. I also smoothed up the audio transitions and retimed and remixed Finn’s dialogue so this is superior to what I have in my currently released edit. Enjoy!

Clips folder:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jPL84mKi8YQ7ditAQconn1HNfwwYBuFY?usp=sharing

Delpheas said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

I think some of the ideas you have in this edit (namely Rey killing her parents and Kylo blowing up Corellia) are ABSOLUTELY inspired.

Would I be able to get a copy of this?

Honestly, Rey killing her parents is my favorite thing, followed by removing the ghosts from the end. The destruction of Corellia also helps to establish the FO as a threat early on without having to have Palps there from the get go.

There’s a lot about this edit I really like and plan on incorporating in some fashion in my own edit.

Awesome! The Rey killed her parents idea comes from idir_hh and the Corellia and no ghosts on Tatooine were my ideas. I originally was going to have Kylo be the one that killed her parents but liked the other idea much better. My most favorite parts also include Hal’s fleet chatter mixed by axlanian and the yoda, Ben, and anakin ghosts by jonh

Thanks me too!

Had to pause it due to energy blackouts. It’s been cold. Brrrr. But I should have some updates made this week hopefully with a final release shortly thereafter. As long as we get power back on reliably.

PM sent

Camsmurph blood spurts are accomplished through professionally filmed blood squib vfx. The only one where the victim is actually in the shot is the headshot to the DA.

dgraham414 said:

I’m thinking of incorporating your light speed skipping sequence into my own edit, do you have a high quality clip of that with lossless audio?

At the moment I have a Batman Begins fanedit rendering/re-encoding, but within a day or two I could reopen my TROS Project files and export a prores clip and separate 5.1 channel wav audio file. Would mxf and wav 5.1 be suitable for you?

Hello gang, I’m getting close to the end. Everything is now finished, except for fixing all the audio transients throughout and me giving it a test watch to catch any editing or grading mistakes. I’ve updated the description to now reflect all the changes which have been made.

Ed Slushie said:

Well if that’s the case, speaking of ways to slow down the movie’s pacing: here’s a small edit I made that adds an establishing shot of the cave on Ajan Kloss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVGEK6ENDiQ&feature=youtu.be

This inserted clip is very interesting and could become usable/very believable if the footage was:

1. cropped to remove the tree in the lower left corner
2. run through topaz video enhancer
3. graded to match the film (beginning of the clip), higher contrast levels, using the color match feature, for example, in Premiere or Resolve-- removing the aqua tint from some of the foliage
4. all shadows (not blacks) darkened