It's not a lost cause, I have the 20gb bev open matte transport stream of gladiator that looks great with nice grain structure.
I can upload it for you if you want.
Yeah, I've got to agree with you guys, there's nothing that I hate more than passworded releases on usenet, its so pointless IMHO, it goes against everything that usenet is meant to stand for. If you want to share something, share it, if you don't, don't, simple as that, no need for this password nonsense.
I've been very busy with other releases but yesterday I think I pretty much finalised the classic and technicolor settings for ROTJ.
I have to look at the ESB and SW settings again to make sure that I'm still happy with them, otherwise they might need slight adjusting.
My main aim, apart from making sure the films look as appealing as possible of course while at the same time respecting as much as possible how they looked theatrically, is to make sure that there is a colour continuety between the films so they look like they're a trilogy and part of the same universe. I'm almost there I think but I'm sure there's still a little tweaking to do, especially to ESB that is the hardest to decipher colourwise.
ExNihilo said:
I would love to see some of these expired clips. Any chance of seeing them up here again?
Me too.
Tobar said:
kk650 said:
It also leaves open the possibility of a love triangle, much like in the OT.
Between cousins? Let's not bring back that aspect of the OT. =P
Ah, but you assume that the young trio will all be blood related. I can see that not being the case for all three.
Say for example that Luke hasn't had any children because he's been so busy restarting the jedi order/setting up some sort of academy. He could have adopted a force sensitive as his son/daughter to teach the ways of the force. The other two in the trio could be the children of Leia and Han, with perhaps one being force sensitive and the other not, to add an extra dynamic of jealousy/resentment there. Both siblings are vying for the attention of the adopted son/daughter of Luke, so you have a love triangle without any sort of incest.
Hell, considering how much Disney like their Princess movies and how successful the sister dynamic in Frozen has been, we could even get two sisters fighting over the adopted son of Luke haha that'd be a turn for the books, a two girl/one boy trio dynamic. Could be a way to put an interesting new spin on things, instead of having two guys fighting for the attention of one girl as per usual.
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I read somewhere - can't remember where, because I read about this movie a lot lately - that the continous color changes were due to the fact that often a single shot/scene was filmed during different moment of the day, or in different days and also location...
About flesh tones; all the settings I used preserve them, apart just a bit of saturation less, as the original grading was a little bit "pumped" in this.
Yes I agree, its easy to see throughout the film when they're at sea during action scenes that the position/lighting of the sun and therefore the colour of the sunlight is changing from shot to shot. A little disconcerting at first but as long as the sun's light looks natural in those consecutive shots with inconsistant lighting, its not a big deal and you get used to the sunlight inconsistency throughout the film pretty quickly. It helps that I love this movie. :)
A little bit pumped is quite an understatement, everybody looks completely cooked in this film, a decent amount of desaturation is definately required to get to human fleshtone levels IMHO. Yes the main character is meant to look tanned due to constantly being out on the water but I'm pretty sure he's not meant to resemble the infamous lobster men from Star Wars IMHO.
imperialscum said:
kk650 said:
Do we know yet who's been cast as the trio of young leads?
Why does it has to be a trio? Direct copying of OT concepts seems like a bad idea to me.
That's what it said in the announcement, a 'trio of young leads', their words, not mine.
That said, Trios do tend to work well on a dramatic level, you have different personality types constantly playing off each other, creating comedic moments and drama in equal measure. It also leaves open the possibility of a love triangle, much like in the OT. Nothing wrong with that and of course Disney will be wanting to draw in the female demographic. Trios worked well with the OT and Harry Potter so I don't see why it wouldn't work here.
One of the things that the PT suffered for IMHO, apart from cringeworthy/humourless writing, is that it didn't have a similar trio dynamic going on, the groups are always twos in those films, Qui Gon & Obi Wan, Obi Wan & Anakin or Anakin & Padme, made for very little personality conflicts, characters playing off each other, human humour/wittisism moments in those films like in the OT (that was left to R2D2 & Jar Jar), which is why they're such a drag to watch, they take themselves so seriously, unlike the OT, which had great moments of both comedy and drama/pathos, which of course all the best stories do IMHO.
FremenDar2019 said:
kk650,
How about a 2-Disc BD50 version for The Fellowship of the Ring Extended instead? I wouldn't mind seeing some Japanese, Russian, German, etc. dubs for some fan preservations.
Seems like massive overkill to me, beyond 25gb releases the increase in image quality is very minimal in my experience, the law of diminishing returns very much applies here. The demand for such a large release would also be very low at its current level of popularity and in 2-3 months I'd imagine all the links would be down. I don't rule out such a release in future of course but right now the release is not popular enough to warrant it.
There is of course the other great danger that comes with ps3/blu-ray player compatible releases, I get the feeling that with this particular regrade, due to the very obvious unsatisfactory nature of the official blu-ray, lots of copies of my bd-50 release could start appearing on e-bay with very greedy unscrupulous individuals seeking to make money off the back of all the hours and hard work I put into creating this release (which was many many hours believe me, I spent months trying to figure out how to approach regrading it, by far the release that has taken me the most time to regrade). I shared this release for free so all those that already own the official blu-ray and were unhappy with the blanket green tint over all the transfer and the overall underexposure of the blu-ray had access to a corrected version, not so some greedy individuals on ebay could profit off my work. These ebay sales would also very likely draw the studio's attention onto me due to what they would perceive as lost revenue caused by my release.
Copies of free releases appearing on ebay has happened to Team Blu releases and I can imagine that it would be a lot worse in this case due to the high profile of the film and how clearly messed up the official blu-ray is so such a blu-ray release is off the table for the forseeable future.
Do we know yet who's been cast as the trio of young leads?
My pc is currently in the middle of encoding a new higher bitrate version of my regraded fellowship of the ring extended edition release with improved colours, I'm using my uncalibrated laptop right now so I can't comment on your video or screen comparison. If you're willing to wait until tomorrow i'll be able to give you my thoughts.
I did go through the waterworld blu-ray though yesterday before I started encoding. Its a very inconsistent transfer colourwise and very tricky to regrade with one setting and get a good balance
After much experimentation I came up with settings that look nice across the whole film IMHO, retaining the warmth of the sun when they're at sea (which is very important to me because the sun plays a very important part in this film) while removing the red tint and getting fleshtones as natural as possible. Fleshtones are a big problem in this release, they are far too red and far too saturated, so they needed to be selectively regraded.
Have you also addressed the fleshtones problem with your settings? Could you post a clip where we can see the fleshtones of some of the main characters so I can give you feedback on that aspect of the regrade as well?
I believe that they have the same colour timing, only the hd-dvd has less DNR applied to it so it is the superior source to work from. That's what i've read anyway, I don't have the hd-dvd so I can't confirm.
Sorry about the delay in providing feedback on that video, I was away from my pc for all the weekend.
That video still has the same problem of the whites being way too blue IMHO.
I've got the blu-ray of waterworld so i'll check it out and see what problems you're facing, see if I can find a way to get those whites looking more natural while fixing the overall red tint problem.
Can somebody repost one of the videos previously posted in this thread that shows how this super 8 transfer looks?
I've tried downloading all the videos that have already been posted here but they are all down. I'd love to see how this looks.
@TylerDurden38: Thanks for the confirmation, seems its just the 8gb version on myspleen that has the freeze problem, not any of the releases on tehparadox.
@applesandrice: TSmuxer having an error at 48% sounds about around the 50 minute mark where there's a freeze on the myspleen version so that pretty much confirms that the myspleen 8gb version has a problem there.
If you're planning to write to a bd-25 it would certainly make more sense to download one of the 16gb releases that also include the mono track. They're already 1920x1080 so you should be able to create a blu-ray without needing to reencode the video, meaning no loss of image quality. The image quality of those two 16gb encodes is very nice, double the bitrate of the 8gb release, they really do look close to blu-ray quality with most of the lovely grain intact of the remastered blu-ray release.
If you liked how the 8gb version looked, go with the 16gb terminator release that doesn't have '(more neutral colours)' in the release thread title. It's the one I personally like more as well.
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Sure; but please keep the test clip size below 1GB! (^^,)
Forgot to mention: right now I'm in the middle of a long encoding process; on weekend I'll be away; so, it will be made on monday, if it's OK for you; in the meanwhile, I could always download it.
Cool! No worries, i'll keep the clip below 1gb hehe
I've got 180gb of empire strikes back encodes using different settings on my computer right now though so space is a little short (I have to put The Phantom Menace blu-ray onto my hard disk). I'll put the clip up on monday once i've hopefully made up by mind about the classic/technicolour settings I want to go with and can finally delete some of these encodes...
Knightmessenger, let me start off by saying that all feedback on this thread, whether positive or negative, is very much welcome so thank you for your thoughts.
First thing though, the screencaps from page 5 you're commenting about don't represent the latest settings, those are on page 7, plus those page 5 screencaps are taken directly from the regrader preview, which is noticably more contrasty and saturated that the final encode. The screencaps on page 7 are the final classic and technicolor settings for Star Wars, taken straight from encodes, not the ones on page 5, so they best represent how the Star Wars regrade is going to look. Feedback aimed at those screencaps would be more relevant.
Secondly, its a bit silly making definitive judgements on the grading of people like myself that are using large professionally colour calibrated monitors when you are using an uncalibrated laptop, which are notoriously bad at judging the colours of anything, especially for something as sensitive as grading a film, unless you own one of those really expensive ones professional photographers use to view/modify their photos that have been professionally colour calibrated.
Thirdly, the GOUT has a hell of a lot of problems, brightness/contrast/saturation levels are inconsistant across the whole film and fleshtones are too red. It was useful to give a rough idea of what the film should look like but nothing more. I'm not interested in creating a shot by shot regrade of the GOUT because it wouldn't look good to me personally. If a recreated GOUT using the blu-ray as a source is what you're looking for, then these Semi-Specialised editions are not for you.
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
@kk650: you order, I obey! (^^,)
Here you are the 35mm grain plate applied over the same screenshot you used before:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66357
as you can see, it's more "aggressive" then yours; don't know if it's better or not, but I think it should be seen in motion to understand it.
lol
That looks really good! The only way to know more though is to apply that grain plate to a clip taken from the blu-ray and see how it looks in motion, which is the most important thing.
If I provided you with a clip from the blu-ray, could you add the 35mm grain plate and post the result here so we could all see how it looks?
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Here you are the screenshot comparison link:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66386/
as for the test clip, as I began to encode the final video, I'm not sure if I'm going to produce a test clip, the encode will do its job perfectly, so I prefer to finish to encode before. At least, with the screenshot comparison you have 8 different frames to compare; even if the color corrected one isn't perfect, as I wrote also in my previous post, it's better IMHO of the HD-DVD color grading...
Thanks for these, very helpful! While its definately an improvement on the HD-DVD colour grading, I personally feel that your whites are now too blue, making the film feel colder than it should do IMHO.
Screencomparisons 1 & 7 are the most useful to me, the reflections of the sun on the water should look warmer on your regraded version, they look too cold as they are right now on your regrade, they don't look like reflected sunlight on water would look like in real life.
If you're going for a less natural look though its fine, I personally don't like the colder look but that's just me, this is your project so its your call.
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Wow, thanks, I wasn't sure there were so many Mad Max fans around that wanted a regraded version, but now I'm sure, of course!
Jonno, I have the laserdisc letterbox edition; IIRC is a remastered one, so *maybe* the track is better than your P&S version; or not?!?
MM3... mmh, I think it could benefit of a color grading, too; but what about MM1? It seems the BD has too much green for my tastes... caps-a-holic
That colour-match version is looking good, definately the best of the three IMHO! Nice work!
Those Mad Max 1 blu-ray screencaps are pretty painful, very green and underexposed as well. It really does need help. I might look into it myself in fact.
TylerDurden389 said:
Ugh, now I don't know what to think anymore. Is this real life? Haha, but seriously for whatever reason right after I posted my original post about "just getting this one instead" somehow I knew I was opening a can of worms.
Seeking clarification on whether one of my releases has an encode error is 'opening a can of worms'? There's no need to create drama where there is none.
Please just check the 8gb version you have and let us know whether it has both audio tracks or just the DTS 5.1 audio. I would like to know whether The Terminator release I have on tehparadox has any errors, as i'm sure you can appreciate. I don't want people wasting their time downloading something that is faulty.
I personally have a lot of difficultly seeing the difference with split screen comparisons, I prefer seeing the whole screencap with the new colour grading in order to be able to get a better idea of how it looks. Could you put up some comparisons of the whole screencap rather than the halfway split, preferably using http://screenshotcomparison.com so the difference is even easier to see?
Also a video clip with the regraded colours would be incredibly useful in being able to give you my thoughts on the colour/image dynamics of your regrade.
TylerDurden389 said:
Guys I apologize for the confusion, but after further thought I'm almost certain I got my copy from tehparadox, not myspleen. As for the freeze halfway through, I have only watched it on vlc.
You said in a previous post that the 8gb version you have allows you to choose between the DTS 5.1 and laserdisc mono audio. If that's the case its impossible you got it off tehparadox, I never created such a release.
I just checked out the 8gb release with vlc and it works fine, no freezing at the 50+ minute mark. Nobody's mentioned anything in the release thread either and i'm sure they would have if there was such a jarring error in the encode.
TV's Frink said:
For some reason the comparison site isn't working for me, but it's a moot point. You can't add detail to something that no longer has it by just adding grain.
We all agree on that.
Neither me or Andrea said that you can create new detail by adding grain, what you can do is reveal detail that is there on the DNRed transfer but was not so clearly visible before, the added grain brings it to the surface, creating a perception of increased detail, as I believe that comparison clearly demonstrates.
TV's Frink said:
Well it sure sounds to me like your OP is misleading. I'm not even close to a expert in these matters (which is why I asked the question first) but it sounds like you just made the film look more film-ish. Recovering detail is something else entirely.
Here's a comparison between the blu-ray and my regrained The Phantom Menace release:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66343
To my eyes, my regrained release has more detail than the blu-ray. That is just my opinion, everybody can make up their own minds, i'm not try to mislead anybody.
I don't use myspleen but what I will do is update the 8gb release on tehparadox so it includes the mono track taken from the laserdisc, make sure it works without glitches then reupload it there. Anybody that want to put it up on myspleen with then be able to download it and put it up there so you can all enjoy this unedited. Its too good a film to have any errors messing up the experience.
This really is a fantastic film, I used to much prefer terminator 2 but the first film has really grown on me over time.