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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?

DominicCobb said:

The fact that people use the term “OP” when referring to a character is just proof of how people are looking at these movies in all the wrong ways.

Yep. On a related note, I get the feeling a lot of the people who couldn’t get their head around Luke failing with Ben in TLJ probably learned narrative structure from video games.

<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread

RogueLeader said:

To be honest, despite my criticisms of certain story decisions, I also felt the movie was better on my second viewing. It is still fast but not as jarringly fast as it felt the first time around.

I know what you mean. I found it was a lot less frenetic when I knew where it was going. I also picked up on dialogue that justified a couple things that felt like they came out of nowhere the first time.

Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *

What burns me about the lack of any attempt to explain Palpatine’s return is that Rebels actually laid the groundwork for a perfectly acceptable explanation. The blue explosion when Vader chucks the Emperor down the pit in ROTJ looks almost exactly like the smoke effect when Palpatine accesses the “world between worlds” on the show. They absolutely could have used that without getting in the weeds of the specifics of the cartoon, and just had him say that as he was falling he cast himself into the nether regions of the Force and it took some time to find his way back.

I also think Snoke should have just been an acolyte who stumbled across Palpatine and fell under his spell rather than a literal puppet. Those two changes would make it fit so much more smoothly in the continuity, but instead they opted to do it in the most inelegant and unconnected way possible.

Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *

I think JJ might have wanted to set Finn up as being Force-sensitive in TFA (what with him being the first to see the Starkiller beam, great disturbance, etc, etc), and now he’s trying to build on it but it seems weird because TLJ totally sidestepped the idea.

EDIT: that’s exactly what you just said, isn’t it. I just finished my finals for my first semester of grad school and I did a fair amount of celebrating, my reading comp isn’t the best at the moment.

<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread

Broom Kid said:

It’s gotta be, but the flat-out refusal to consider an option where she’s not in the movie just… I know retrospect makes geniuses out of the biggest dummies (hi there!) but she shouldn’t have been in this movie. The idea shouldn’t have been pursued, and that maybe would have freed them up to pursue different storytelling avenues.

I also was resistant to the idea that Abrams was actively going out of his way to “retcon” what Johnson did but there are actually two or three moments on the level of “This will begin to make things right” where it’s beyond obvious Abrams is breaking the fourth wall to comment on what came before. The most notable is Luke solemnly talking about “disrespecting” the weapon of a Jedi. And if that was meant to be a self-deprecating joke at Luke’s expense, (like a ha-ha smartass “remember when I did that? LOL what a dummy I was” sort of thing) it wasn’t acted, shot, or cut like that at all, so that interpretation is almost impossible to make. Luke (whose hair was trash! Why did it LOOK like that?) was essentially a platitude machine. The only part of that whole scene that works? The part of the scene that is riffing on the infinitely better scene from Empire Strikes Back.

Again, I know Abrams isn’t the most graceful director, but there is so much that is structurally FUCKED about this movie and its characterization and arcs that I have a hard time believing this was actually what he wanted to make. Just going from TFA to this, it’s such a MESS comparatively - I believe PARTS of what he actually wanted to make are IN here, but they’re stitched and glued together very, very sloppily.

I actually didn’t read the saber catch that way at all; I just took it as an acknowledgement of the fact that Luke wasn’t down on the whole Jedi project anymore. The Force ghost effects were definitely weirdly bad, though. Is it because they were in broad daylight? If so, why didn’t they stage the Luke scene at night?

My main issue was the fact that everything that really needed an explanation just got hand-waved. Palpatine’s back! How, you ask? Sith cultists, don’t worry about it. Why is Lando on Pasana? Doesn’t matter, just roll with it. Why does Kylo turn back to the light this time after we’ve seen him go the other way at least twice? I dunno, the comics will probably fix it. They just kept putting down plot points because they needed to happen, and then never even attempted to provide any amount of context that would make it make sense.

<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread

I truly think Carrie Fisher’s death is a major factor here. They were on the record almost from day one about this being Leia’s movie in the way TFA was Han’s and TLJ was Luke’s. I think they got caught completely flat-footed when Carrie died and just absolutely failed in the attempt to pivot to something else.

Star Wars trilogy box sets coming next year?
Time is saying a tentative April 4 release date for the TROS blu-ray.

I remember seeing a listing a couple months ago on a reputable source (I forget which) claiming an “early 2020” release for a saga set. May the 4th tie-in, perhaps? Or do we think they’ll want to milk the TROS disc for longer than a month and hold off until September or the holidays?

Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *

When the FYC soundtrack leaked the other day, I listened to it in fits and starts in a browser window without an auto play function in the twitter app on my phone with one burnt-out earbud, and I didn’t love it. I’m listening again now to a mirror I found on reddit, on actual speakers in the comfort of my apartment, and I’m enjoying it a whole lot more. It’s a good stylistic mix of all three trilogies. Love those ANH timpani drums. There’s more than a little Indy in there, too. The lack of big new themes is disappointing, but I think this might have the best texture of the ST scores.

Ranking the Star Wars films

joefavs said:

With The Mandalorian out in the world, I feel compelled to do this again and include the TV shows.

  1. Star Wars
  2. The Empire Strikes Back
  3. The Last Jedi
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Return of the Jedi
  6. The Mandalorian
  7. Rogue One
  8. Star Wars: Rebels
  9. Solo
  10. The Clone Wars
  11. The Phantom Menace
  12. Attack of the Clones
  13. Revenge of the Sith

Rogue One has gone up and Solo has gone down for me. Solo might sink below TCW too once I get going on my rewatch before the new season drops; I honestly don’t remember it well enough to know for sure now. I’m also very close to switching AOTC and TPM. Clones has got some series low points, but Menace is just. so. boring. Not sure which is worth more in the grand scheme of things.

The Mandalorian has been slipping with me for the last few weeks, but today’s episode was an improvement, so I’m not sure what to do with it. If I’m not giving number ranks and instead sorting into tiers, my list looks something like this:

Star Wars/A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back

The Force Awakens
The Last Jedi

Return of the Jedi
The Clone Wars
Star Wars: Rebels
Rogue One
The Mandalorian

The Phantom Menace

Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith

The top and bottom of the list is pretty stable, but that middle tier is in constant flux.

<em>The Mandalorian</em> Discussion Thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *

It’s a shame they went that route with her. I really like Natalia Tena in other stuff, but her and the Clancy Brown character in this reminded me of that awful Stranger Things episode when Eleven meets the punks in Chicago. Bill Burr and Richard Ayoade were great, though.

And once we got past the cringey character introductions and the story got moving, I really enjoyed the episode. I haven’t really been feeling it since the last time we saw Herzog, but now I’m firmly back on board.