So ah… anyone who isn’t joyless and/or toxic want to get a disqus channel going until the TLJ heat dies down? Cause it kind of fucking sucks here right now.
Yep, he was practical. I read somewhere official that they used the original molds to make the puppet, I’ll try to find the link again after work.
If there were no shot of the books at the end of the film, is Yoda a book burner?
But there is a shot of the books at the end! “If that scene wasn’t there,” “if you stop watching before that scene,” “if you don’t catch the books,” . . . at a certain point you need to stop bringing up hypotheticals. It’s in the movie. “What if it wasn’t” isn’t a terribly useful question. You could say that about anything else in any movie and completely change whatever you want.
FWIW, that Yoda thing was one of my favorite things in the whole film once I figured it out. I didn’t think it was actually contradictory, just some classic “certain point of view” Jedi Master trolling that got Luke to snap out of his funk and focus on what was important in that moment. Of course Yoda doesn’t actually advocate burning books.
So long as what’s left of the Resistance doens’t set up shop in Gunga city on Naboo. 😉
I’d kind of like to see a practical Gungan. Not enough to actually want to go back to Otoh Gunga, but it would be cool if we saw one in a cantina somewhere else.
There’s several of these even in the Yoda scene alone: Luke says he’s going to burn the tree down, then hesitates and seems to feel remorse about having wanted to. Then Yoda blows it up and laughs, confirming to Luke that, no, he was actually right in the first place to burn it down. Luke appears to accept this from Yoda, then becomes very defensive for a second about the Jedi texts. Yoda seems to tell Luke that the texts are better off gone, implying Rey already has what she needs without them. (JUST KIDDING; the Jedi texts are aboard the Falcon at the end in a shot I completely missed after seeing the film twice. What does this shot suggest about the Yoda scene, and Luke’s dialogue ABOUT Rey becoming a Jedi??? Does Luke KNOW she has the texts? Does Yoda?)
Yoda absolutely knows that Rey has the texts, it’s the whole reason he’s so cavalier about blowing up the tree. His actual line is “yes, yes, wisdom they held, but that library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess”. He’s letting Luke think he means that Rey doesn’t need the books, but he’s actually saying she literally possesses them.
I’d be curious to find out when was the last time everyone here who ranks ROTS in the top half actually saw the film. I’m not being facetious, I seriously want to know if it’s something you guys watch regularly or if you haven’t reexamined it in a while.
Pretty sure Luke refers to it as “a moment of pure instinct”. It’s not that he was compelled by thoughts of temptation; he wasn’t thinking at all. And as soon as he does think about it he’s immediately overcome by shame and regret.
I left the theater thinking Rey would be going after Finn after her apparent discomfort when he was caring for Rose on the Falcon.
ROTS and the TCW movie are the only ones I’d put below AOTC. I haven’t seen the Ewok movies, though.
It occurred to me today that they convinced Abrams to do TFA with the question “Who is Luke Skywalker?” and with the events of TLJ and JJ now coming back for IX, that’s pretty much the only thing in the ST he won’t address.
I definitely noticed at least one of those times. In the comics, Luke gave Poe’s parents a sapling from the tree in the Jedi temple on Coruscant that he recovered from one of the Emperor’s research installations. Growing up around that tree probably endowed him with some level of Force sensitivity.
I’m just realizing I haven’t actually rated this yet. I give it an A-/B+. The only place where it loses points for me is that I believe it’s a little over-stuffed. Given the story they were telling I think it probably had to be that way, and it didn’t bother me as much the second time I saw it, but I do think there was a certain elegance to the spareness of TFA that I kind of missed here.
I really hope they don’t give her some kind of lightsaber staff. I would like to see her with a yellow blade though.
Han talks to the Treadwell droid without a translator in ESB. It’s not unheard of.
Finn attempts to kill himself by going commando to the lazer
Here’s a pretty good article about the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545
RE: Ackbar vs. Holdo, the author of this piece has a good point in a response to a comment:
Lotta folks seem to think that her role should have gone to good ol’ Admiral Ackbar, but I get Johnson’s intention: Everybody likes Ackbar, and the audience needs to be fooled into Poe’s point-of-view.
Nice article from the AV Club:
https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545
Yeah, the new admiral had to be an unknown quantity for Poe for it to really work.
Good lord was this ever better the second time around. 100% on board. Fight me, jerks.
I think it’s flawed thinking to say that because Luke did the right thing at the end of ROTJ, he’s automatically immune to temptation for the rest of his life. The message is that even heroes can fuck up. And Luke ultimately doesn’t even harm Kylo, he just stalls him, leaving the door open for any sort of reversal in IX. As for Leia giving up on him, compassion was always Luke’s deal, not hers, so I really don’t think that breaks with anything. Leia’s priorities have always placed the highest importance on the galaxy at large. TLJ definitely throws some stuff into question, but I really don’t think it makes any universe-shattering conclusions.
I think Luke’s temptation is there to show that you never stop needing to resist the dark side, no matter who you are. And Leia’s decision to give up on Ben boils down to a Wrath of Khan style equation about personal needs vs. the greater good. She gives up on Ben because he’s going to burn the galaxy down. It’s a counterpoint to ROTJ’s message to be sure, but depending on how IX goes I don’t think it necessarily undermines it.
I’m seeing it again today, and in the meantime I’m watching TFA. Han’s “Yeah, I knew him . . . I knew Luke,” line takes on a completely different vibe now.
Also, if Kylo was still rocking a blue saber and didn’t have the mask yet when he destroyed Luke’s academy, then what the hell is the the scene with the Knights of Ren in the rain from Rey’s TFA Force vision? Are they just substituting the version of Kylo that Rey (and the viewer) is familiar with, or is that something else entirely?
You know what I meant. The picture of Star Wars that the people who have huge issues with the humor are painting looks very dour and dull to me.
I saw someone on twitter say that TFA is a dog and TLJ is a cat. TFA is just easier to love because it’s more interested in being loved. TLJ is going to require some time and work.