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- STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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Amazing work!
Amazing work!
Haha, that was a horrendous scene. Fortunately there are enough good moments to salvage the film into something watchable. 😄
Did you make any major changes to the assassination worm and Coruscant chase?
Yeah, these things definitely vary depending on peoples tastes. There are many parts that made me cringe in the theater 20+ years ago and have only gotten worse over time. I’ve never been a fan of characters making lighthearted jokes in the middle of a battle. It takes away any serious threat of them being in danger. Surprisingly, I’m fine with much of the humor in the original trilogy. I really appreciated you removing C3P0 and R2 dodging the crossfire in ANH though. haha
Interesting! That makes a bunch of sense. I think those quips don’t bother me so much, because I spent some time working in manufacturing, where you’re constantly in danger of getting killed by a forklift. One day your buddy would get sent to hospital with his leg cut open, the next day you’d be working beside your wingman and grab him by the vest as a forklift cleans out his mobile computer out from under him. I hate to admit it, but your first response in all of those moments is to crack a joke. The worse it is, the quicker you are to make a joke (none of which I can repeat here 😉).
I can relate and have used dark humor at inappropriate times too. 😊
As far as Anakin and Padme joking around, I wouldn’t mind as much if it occurred after the battle was winding down. Not a big deal - just personal preference. Of course, it’s not nearly as bad as C3P0’s head being swapped out with a battle droid and all that ensued. I almost walked out of the theater to demand a refund 😄
Just wait til we get to the Arena Battle. It’s gonna be Force Mad!
I know you said it’s something that you’re really proud of, so I can’t wait to see it!
FYI It’s live: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C-UtrN7ew7RJ46eIARA26fIql07RbBKF/view?usp=drive_link
I really like the pacing of the arena battle. Of course, I had to take a crack at it. Same order as yours but Anakin and Padme don’t ride the chariot (horrible sfx) and Dooku doesn’t stop the battle. Just about every scene has some type of trim.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19LF-MApgyiPyhRYUuEIE5UCClEeZ_q3w/view?usp=sharing
K got a chance to watch it through. I really like the idea of the LAAT’s coming in at the end of the battle without stopping. If there was more good footage building up that sequence, I think that idea could definitely work (Though I still prefer the original).
All in all, I would keep my version as it is for META-editing (edits across sequences/films) reasons. Here’s a couple of them.
-I need the fight to stop for a breath at Mace’s entrance and right before the LAATs fly in, because I speed up the beast wars. If those breaths are shortened it feels too frantic.
-The chariot sequence was originally in little pieces sprinkled throughout the arena battle, but I recut it all back together to make it “Romantic” in an Errol Flynn kinda way. Throughout all of Attack of the Clones, I reworked the romantic chemistry between Anakin and Padme to focused far more on the way they fight together, rather than the way they talk together.
-I try to leave 10-15% of the “Jank” in all of my STAR WARS recuts. If you make the films make too much sense and focus too much on continuity, they become sterile. So is “This Party’s Over.” a bit goofy? Yes! But it falls into that 10% “Jank” that needs to stay IMO.
Really enjoying your takes! I might take some time tomorrow to rework the droid factory one more time, because I think you’re on to something with the ending.
I meant to comment on this last week but was swamped with other stuff. There are a bunch of little trims in this you might appreciate.
• Cut unnecessary shot of the gang being surrounded - 0:12-0:15 (also works well with the music)
• Slightly trimmed beginning of Dooku turning around - 0:17 (so his reaction isn’t as delayed)
• Slightly trimmed before Twilek ignites lightsaber - 0:28 (looks like they’re standing around waiting for a queue)
• Trimmed first and last part of Windu jumping off balcony and landing on ground - 0:57. (speed up the pace, and bad sfx not as noticeable)
• Slightly trimmed right after Anakin ignites lightsaber and before he turns around to slice Obiwan’s handcuffs - 1:16 (less clunky)
• Cut Obiwan aggressively stabbing the Acklay in the head - 2:19 (doesn’t seem very Jedi-like)
• Cut Windu flipping over the battle droid, running away, and batting the laser - 2:24-2:29 (cartoony)
• Cut Windu running from the Reek - 2:40 (looks goofy)
• Inserted Jango getting up when Reek is pawing at the ground - 2:56
• Removed shot of Reek charging and knocking battle droid - 3:01 (cartoony)
• Cut Neimoidians - 3:26 (awkward)
• Cut Jedi screaming Haaaa!!! - 3:29
• Trimmed super battle droid punching the regular battle droid - 3:35 (cartoony)
• Slightly trimmed the end where Dooku and the gang observe the battle - 3:44 (goes on a little too long)
• Cut Yoda saying “around the survivors, a perimeter create” - 4:36
• Cut Twilek slowly getting into ship - 5:08
• Slight trim when Windu is standing around in the ship at the beginning of the shot - 5:15
• Cut Dooku on scooter - 5:45 (goofy)Are you positively sure you don’t want to remove “You call this a diplomatic solution? No, I call it aggressive negotiations”? haha 😂
I get your reasoning behind all of those those alterations. That’s a very consistent way to cut the sequence. The reason I wouldn’t make any of those changes is that from my point of view STAR WARS needs a bit of “Cartoony Jankiness” in order to feel like STAR WARS. If you strip it back too far you end up with a serious SCI-FI epic that for my money is a bit too lifeless.
I actually generally start by making a lot of the cuts you’re suggesting, and then slowly fade a bit of the “bad rhythm” and “goofiness” back into the sequence. From my point of view, the “used universe” that STAR WARS is famous for, extents to the editing rhythm. You have to break the beat just enough so that it feels “real” in an indie kinda way, rather than a glossy music video.
Where the line is between too goofy and just goofy enough is all down to personal taste. In short I think all of your changes are more than valid. I just wouldn’t personally make them.
I’ll give one example as to why I keep something “goofy”, and you can apply this logic to the rest of your questions: I kept the “Aggressive Negotiations” line because I deleted the setup (The dinner scene), so this is now an original, bantery quip that Padme comes up with. To me that line is a good payoff to the conversation before the Droid Factory where Padme is adamant that she wants to “Find a Diplomatic Solution to this mess.” For my money, Anakin making fun of her sincerity, and Padme cheekily bantering back is right in line with the kind banter you see between Han and Leia in IV and V.
Yeah, these things definitely vary depending on peoples tastes. There are many parts that made me cringe in the theater 20+ years ago and have only gotten worse over time. I’ve never been a fan of characters making lighthearted jokes in the middle of a battle. It takes away any serious threat of them being in danger. Surprisingly, I’m fine with much of the humor in the original trilogy. I really appreciated you removing C3P0 and R2 dodging the crossfire in ANH though. haha
Just wait til we get to the Arena Battle. It’s gonna be Force Mad!
I know you said it’s something that you’re really proud of, so I can’t wait to see it!
FYI It’s live: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C-UtrN7ew7RJ46eIARA26fIql07RbBKF/view?usp=drive_link
I really like the pacing of the arena battle. Of course, I had to take a crack at it. Same order as yours but Anakin and Padme don’t ride the chariot (horrible sfx) and Dooku doesn’t stop the battle. Just about every scene has some type of trim.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19LF-MApgyiPyhRYUuEIE5UCClEeZ_q3w/view?usp=sharing
K got a chance to watch it through. I really like the idea of the LAAT’s coming in at the end of the battle without stopping. If there was more good footage building up that sequence, I think that idea could definitely work (Though I still prefer the original).
All in all, I would keep my version as it is for META-editing (edits across sequences/films) reasons. Here’s a couple of them.
-I need the fight to stop for a breath at Mace’s entrance and right before the LAATs fly in, because I speed up the beast wars. If those breaths are shortened it feels too frantic.
-The chariot sequence was originally in little pieces sprinkled throughout the arena battle, but I recut it all back together to make it “Romantic” in an Errol Flynn kinda way. Throughout all of Attack of the Clones, I reworked the romantic chemistry between Anakin and Padme to focused far more on the way they fight together, rather than the way they talk together.
-I try to leave 10-15% of the “Jank” in all of my STAR WARS recuts. If you make the films make too much sense and focus too much on continuity, they become sterile. So is “This Party’s Over.” a bit goofy? Yes! But it falls into that 10% “Jank” that needs to stay IMO.
Really enjoying your takes! I might take some time tomorrow to rework the droid factory one more time, because I think you’re on to something with the ending.
I meant to comment on this last week but was swamped with other stuff. There are a bunch of little trims in this you might appreciate.
• Cut unnecessary shot of the gang being surrounded - 0:12-0:15 (also works well with the music)
• Slightly trimmed beginning of Dooku turning around - 0:17 (so his reaction isn’t as delayed)
• Slightly trimmed before Twilek ignites lightsaber - 0:28 (looks like they’re standing around waiting for a queue)
• Trimmed first and last part of Windu jumping off balcony and landing on ground - 0:57. (speed up the pace, and bad sfx not as noticeable)
• Slightly trimmed right after Anakin ignites lightsaber and before he turns around to slice Obiwan’s handcuffs - 1:16 (less clunky)
• Cut Obiwan aggressively stabbing the Acklay in the head - 2:19 (doesn’t seem very Jedi-like)
• Cut Windu flipping over the battle droid, running away, and batting the laser - 2:24-2:29 (cartoony)
• Cut Windu running from the Reek - 2:40 (looks goofy)
• Inserted Jango getting up when Reek is pawing at the ground - 2:56
• Removed shot of Reek charging and knocking battle droid - 3:01 (cartoony)
• Cut Neimoidians - 3:26 (awkward)
• Cut Jedi screaming Haaaa!!! - 3:29
• Trimmed super battle droid punching the regular battle droid - 3:35 (cartoony)
• Slightly trimmed the end where Dooku and the gang observe the battle - 3:44 (goes on a little too long)
• Cut Yoda saying “around the survivors, a perimeter create” - 4:36
• Cut Twilek slowly getting into ship - 5:08
• Slight trim when Windu is standing around in the ship at the beginning of the shot - 5:15
• Cut Dooku on scooter - 5:45 (goofy)
Are you positively sure you don’t want to remove “You call this a diplomatic solution? No, I call it aggressive negotiations”? haha 😂
FYI - In my recut of the Droid Factory from Attack of the Clones, I animated Anakin turning off his lightsaber in the Wide Shot instead of the Close Shot (Hal-9000’s version). If anyone wants that effects shot for their own use feel free to PM me.
You can see the full sequence here: https://youtu.be/CZYrlnr4Yz4
This looks fantastic!
FYI. I fixed the famous Leia Blank Shot from Return of the Jedi. If anyone needs it for their own work, PM me.
Great job! Have you done any other sfx fixes on these films?
Yes, and it’s all your fault: https://youtu.be/CZYrlnr4Yz4
Hahaha!
This looks really good. I’m still having an issue with the part around 2:06-2:12. Seems odd that Anakin hops onto the other conveyor that’s moving in the opposite direction of Padme. Cutting that bit makes Anakin’s struggle to catch her feel a little more frantic.
• Padme falls from platform and is quickly moved away.
• Anakin delays but jumps down to go after her.
• He gets held back when the Geonosians attack.
• Padme is able to quickly make it through the machine obstacle course.
• Anaking slowly follows by slicing through them.
• Padme gets pushed in the cauldron.
• Anakin notices but has to fend off more Geonosians.
I promise I’m not trying to be difficult 😁
FYI. I fixed the famous Leia Blank Shot from Return of the Jedi. If anyone needs it for their own work, PM me.
Great job! Have you done any other sfx fixes on these films?
Those are really good points.
Although I haven’t used them, there are several AI apps that will colorize black and white footage. Would be cool to add some of those female pilots.
Excellent work adding that footage in. I love the idea of having more alien characters in the fighters. Unfortunately it makes the Mon Calamari on the freighter seem less special. Same thing with Niem Numb on the falcon. Too bad they didn’t dust off a Greedo or Ree-yees mask when filming those. I’m curious to see how this progresses
Just wait til we get to the Arena Battle. It’s gonna be Force Mad!
I know you said it’s something that you’re really proud of, so I can’t wait to see it!
FYI It’s live: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C-UtrN7ew7RJ46eIARA26fIql07RbBKF/view?usp=drive_link
I really like the pacing of the arena battle. Of course, I had to take a crack at it. Same order as yours but Anakin and Padme don’t ride the chariot (horrible sfx) and Dooku doesn’t stop the battle. Just about every scene has some type of trim.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19LF-MApgyiPyhRYUuEIE5UCClEeZ_q3w/view?usp=sharing
Adding in Padme and Typho being thrown definitely works better for the reasons you mentioned. I didn’t even notice it was cut originally. 😄 Removing the Palpatine bit to Yoda is a nice call. Makes him come across as being more confident now.
I’m a little torn about the droid factory sequence. The last bit where Anakin slices the robot arm to make the cauldron fall still doesn’t connect for me. I messed around with it some more and am curious what you think of these changes?
• Kept the cut between Anaking slicing geonosian in half and Padme navigating through machinery. This keeps the action going from left to right and fixes the abrupt music change.
• Kept shot of Anakin looking up when Padme is being taken away in cauldron.
• Insert brief shot of cauldron moving along to further sell what Anakin is looking at.
• Insert different shot of Padme looking up in the cauldron.
• Reinsert Anakin force throwing objects at geonosians and added thud sound fx when they get hit.
• Anakin jumps up to higher platform and uses force to unhook the cauldron. Only problem is the same force shot is used twice. Still need to find a fix.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M3I3ybJ2-Ac0EPGf4hLaFmZ1yKE4euh_/view?usp=sharing
Yeah, I’m with you that the Force move on the Vat lands with way more punch, and I like a lot of the minor tweaks. I don’t worry too much about “abrupt music changes” as long as they aren’t distracting. There are quite a few “abrupt changes” in the Vanilla cut that are waaayyyy more abrupt than mine, lol! But I’ll see if I can clean that exchange up a bit. I think the “Perfect Version” is somewhere halfway between both of ours. . . Imma think about it and do another take.
In the meantime, I’m rendering out the Arena Battle for you to chew on. Stand by.
YES!!!
Adding in Padme and Typho being thrown definitely works better for the reasons you mentioned. I didn’t even notice it was cut originally. 😄 Removing the Palpatine bit to Yoda is a nice call. Makes him come across as being more confident now.
I’m a little torn about the droid factory sequence. The last bit where Anakin slices the robot arm to make the cauldron fall still doesn’t connect for me. I messed around with it some more and am curious what you think of these changes?
• Kept the cut between Anaking slicing geonosian in half and Padme navigating through machinery. This keeps the action going from left to right and fixes the abrupt music change.
• Kept shot of Anakin looking up when Padme is being taken away in cauldron.
• Insert brief shot of cauldron moving along to further sell what Anakin is looking at.
• Insert different shot of Padme looking up in the cauldron.
• Reinsert Anakin force throwing objects at geonosians and added thud sound fx when they get hit.
• Anakin jumps up to higher platform and uses force to unhook the cauldron. Only problem is the same force shot is used twice. Still need to find a fix.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M3I3ybJ2-Ac0EPGf4hLaFmZ1yKE4euh_/view?usp=sharing
Excellent! I’m looking forward to seeing your revised versions. Do you plan on sharing the arena and jedi battle in the near future (hint, hint)? 😄
100% on the way you’re handling the politics of Attack of the Clones. The inclusion of Phase3’s deleted scenes work really well. Of course, I had to attempt some additional trimming to both scenes.
Intro
• Cut enthusiastic “we made it”
• Cut decoy and Padme dialogue
• Tiny trims here and there
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zumkxyzy44pru49Yc69FLBErRZrdGL_/view?usp=sharing
Factory
• Cut sequence between Anaking slicing geonosian in half and Padme navigating through machinery
• Insert shot of Anakin looking up when Padme is being taken away in cauldron
• Remove Anakin using force to throw objects at geonosians
• Add Anakin chopping geonosian and then using force to unlatch cauldron
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UkJpyZpclH_eiu-EWQTkKwU6L3gmjUwr/view?usp=sharing
Thoughts?
Sounds like you’ve had quite the career. Your videos definitely have a professional touch to them. I especially like the storyboard part of the youtube vids.
Thought I’d have some fun with the AOTC duel and do a little trimming. Not that there’s anything wrong with what you have of course. Here’s a list of the changes:
•Cut Dooku force lightning Ben’s lightsaber
•Removed a few frames when Anakin lunges towards Dooku
•Cut several closeup shots of Anaking and Dooku duel in the dark
•Cut Dooku saying “you have interfered with our affairs for the last time”
•Cut Dooku looking up toward the ceiling
•Trimmed the back and forth force lightning. Now Yoda just catches the one streak.
•Cut front facing shot of Padme shooting ship
•Cut Yoda force lifting his canehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1I-YCr2AzmFeDxDsZrSrDn1IAH213xNfG/view?usp=sharing
Okay. . . cutting out Dooku’s force lighting of Obi-Wan’s saber is sick as heck! And it really lines up with the tone that I’m going for. Imma steal that one, lol!
I also love the way you match cut the OTS shot of Padme shooting with the laser bolts going past Dooku’s window. It really paces up the intensity of that sequence in a great way. Imma steal that one too!
A lot of the other changes work well, so I’m gonna play around with them a bit, and then reupload my own revised version to same link, so you can take a look.
Great work, bro! Love it!
Thanks!
There are so many bits in the prequels that are unnecessary or just awkward. Even something as simple as removing the battle droid voices makes a huge difference. I’m curious to see how you edited the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel at the end of ROTS. I took a stab at it a while ago but was never quite satisfied. Might make another attempt after being inspired by your work.
It’s funny. The Battle of the Heroes is surprisingly hard to cut. It took me a ton of passes, but I finally landed on a version that I’m completely satisfied with. When I have some spare time, I’ll render it out so you can take a look. It’s closest in overall shape to Hal’s version if you’ve seen that one (He does the whole sequence in a single run), but I did a ton of fine tuning, especially to the transitions, so that it actually feels like it was designed as a single sequence.
Yeah, Hal’s edits are fantastic. Looking forward to checking your version out
Sounds like you’ve had quite the career. Your videos definitely have a professional touch to them. I especially like the storyboard part of the youtube vids.
Thought I’d have some fun with the AOTC duel and do a little trimming. Not that there’s anything wrong with what you have of course. Here’s a list of the changes:
•Cut Dooku force lightning Ben’s lightsaber
•Removed a few frames when Anakin lunges towards Dooku
•Cut several closeup shots of Anaking and Dooku duel in the dark
•Cut Dooku saying “you have interfered with our affairs for the last time”
•Cut Dooku looking up toward the ceiling
•Trimmed the back and forth force lightning. Now Yoda just catches the one streak.
•Cut front facing shot of Padme shooting ship
•Cut Yoda force lifting his canehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1I-YCr2AzmFeDxDsZrSrDn1IAH213xNfG/view?usp=sharing
All righty. I’m so glad you sent me those changes, because for some reason it made me able to see the correct rhythm for the full sequence for the first time. Technically Dooku is trying to escape, so I re-engineered the sequence to feel that way, and tried to use the cutting style of Empire’s Duel with a bit of Duel of the Fates, and for the first time this baby really sings. I ended up using many of your ideas, and then adjusted them to work in the new sequence flow. All in I made a couple dozen changes from the last version. Here’s the new final (Hopefully): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iNnjVlAVJiM4OBWglNimLfbBLX7ngmBv/view?usp=drive_link
Great work buddy! Thanks for the help!
Whoa! Dooku actually looks like a badass now. Excellent work!
Hope you don’t mind if I nitpick one tiny thing. At 0:23, it looks like Dooku starts to raise his arms and is about to say something. I trimmed off a second to see what it looks like. What do you think?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_H6xBfWlpRX22zi5fLDa8Kguje8i9NvJ/view?usp=sharing
Sounds like you’ve had quite the career. Your videos definitely have a professional touch to them. I especially like the storyboard part of the youtube vids.
Thought I’d have some fun with the AOTC duel and do a little trimming. Not that there’s anything wrong with what you have of course. Here’s a list of the changes:
•Cut Dooku force lightning Ben’s lightsaber
•Removed a few frames when Anakin lunges towards Dooku
•Cut several closeup shots of Anaking and Dooku duel in the dark
•Cut Dooku saying “you have interfered with our affairs for the last time”
•Cut Dooku looking up toward the ceiling
•Trimmed the back and forth force lightning. Now Yoda just catches the one streak.
•Cut front facing shot of Padme shooting ship
•Cut Yoda force lifting his canehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1I-YCr2AzmFeDxDsZrSrDn1IAH213xNfG/view?usp=sharing
Okay. . . cutting out Dooku’s force lighting of Obi-Wan’s saber is sick as heck! And it really lines up with the tone that I’m going for. Imma steal that one, lol!
I also love the way you match cut the OTS shot of Padme shooting with the laser bolts going past Dooku’s window. It really paces up the intensity of that sequence in a great way. Imma steal that one too!
A lot of the other changes work well, so I’m gonna play around with them a bit, and then reupload my own revised version to same link, so you can take a look.
Great work, bro! Love it!
Thanks!
There are so many bits in the prequels that are unnecessary or just awkward. Even something as simple as removing the battle droid voices makes a huge difference. I’m curious to see how you edited the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel at the end of ROTS. I took a stab at it a while ago but was never quite satisfied. Might make another attempt after being inspired by your work.
Sounds like you’ve had quite the career. Your videos definitely have a professional touch to them. I especially like the storyboard part of the youtube vids.
Thought I’d have some fun with the AOTC duel and do a little trimming. Not that there’s anything wrong with what you have of course. Here’s a list of the changes:
•Cut Dooku force lightning Ben’s lightsaber
•Removed a few frames when Anakin lunges towards Dooku
•Cut several closeup shots of Anaking and Dooku duel in the dark
•Cut Dooku saying “you have interfered with our affairs for the last time”
•Cut Dooku looking up toward the ceiling
•Trimmed the back and forth force lightning. Now Yoda just catches the one streak.
•Cut front facing shot of Padme shooting ship
•Cut Yoda force lifting his cane
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I-YCr2AzmFeDxDsZrSrDn1IAH213xNfG/view?usp=sharing
Oops, all links should be available to view now.
I actually adjusted the scenes using your edit so that the order of each remains the same. I completely understand if you’re locked into what you have and wouldn’t expect you to make any changes. I’m really excited to see more of your work
Hey JoyOfEditing (JOE),
I really like what you’ve done with the final battle! Especially chopping out all of the Gungan fighting. The overall pacing is soooo much better. There are still a few things that kinda bug me though. I made some edits of a few scenes and am curious what you think?
Cut the scene of Ben in the shaft and force pulling himself up and over Maul.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X8YLVtiU-Ux7exGujB32QvOWuLMtwbQh/view?usp=drive_link
Shorter aggressive version
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11LZazrWbr9dJZA1L0Ouwk0E3UHl_Hee3/view?usp=drive_link
Cut Ben falling from the platform
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ryNiZdqR53FerqsHCtSu8SjTlMEOaURD/view?usp=drive_link
Ben Falls but Maul and QuiGon don’t
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lhjg8FDx8_mTOM6lReq_4lHJ-X7e906Z/view?usp=drive_link
Random clips slightly shortened
•Trim Gungan stalling to hit the shield activation
•Trim Anakin and QuiGon dialogue
•Trim ship being shot and taking its time to fall to the ground
•Trim Captain Panaka shooting the window excessively
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ylfb40LGhBkUb5e3m04AOyCP24N62hen/view?usp=drive_link
Looking forward to this!
Please add me to the list of those wanting to check it out too!
Has anybody tried completing the deleted scene of Maul jumping onto the ship and getting knocked off during the desert duel?
Nice color grading! I feel the same about the issues you mentioned. I’m looking forward to seeing how this progresses.