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Post: #67827
Topic: SE Changes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67827/action/topic#67827
Time: 27-Sep-2004 11:09 AM

When people complain about changes that good it almost makes me glad that Lucas is doing what he is doing. I can by the film history arguement. It would be kind of nice to see what was state of the art for that time. I also can by the Greedo shoots first or dialog change arguement. But how in the love of god can you possibly think changes like the new wampa, cloud city, new dewbacks, new sarlacc, better ship takeoffs, and livly cities don't improve the scene. These changes vastly improved the movie. Argueing otherwise makes absolutly no sense.

Post: #67806
Topic: SE Changes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67806/action/topic#67806
Time: 27-Sep-2004 10:41 AM

Why do you fuck off on so many good changes.

Post: #67799
Topic: Best Movie Endings
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67799/action/topic#67799
Time: 27-Sep-2004 10:14 AM

1. Planet of the Apes - "Damn you damn you all to hell"
2. Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines "Maybe the future has been written I don't know all I know is what the Terminator taught me never quit fighting and I never will. The battle has just begun"

Post: #67733
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67733/action/topic#67733
Time: 27-Sep-2004 4:40 AM

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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
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Originally posted by: jimbo
That is what he said in the audio commentary.

Wait, he actually admitted that it wasn't intended to be a special effects shot. He admitted that it's redundant, poorly written, and pointless? Let me guess, you only read the part about the effect being too expensive due to lack of planning, right?

No he said it was intended to be an effects shot

Post: #67600
Topic: Does this make sense?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67600/action/topic#67600
Time: 26-Sep-2004 1:38 PM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Holy christ. I'm listening to the ROTJ commentary...the first one I've listened to. All Lucas does is talk about how unhappy he is with the movies!! What is his fucking problem? Dennis Muren is the only sane one!

He also said "I believe in these films I think they are highly entairtaining"

Post: #67523
Topic: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Special Edition?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67523/action/topic#67523
Time: 26-Sep-2004 6:01 AM

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Originally posted by: PMD
God, please NO MORE CGI!!!!
Raiders is perfect as is (both the original release and the "improved" DVD version).
For the love of all that is right and good, PLEASE, Mssrs Lucas and Spielberg, LEAVE INDY ALONE!!!
(But make sure Indy 4 kicks ass, okay?)

George is a strong believer in a filmmakers right to choose. If Speilburg doesn't want a Raiders of the Lost Ark Special Edition there won't be one.

Post: #67517
Topic: Why I Don't Like Anything About Naboo or Sifo-Dyas
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67517/action/topic#67517
Time: 26-Sep-2004 5:34 AM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Jimbo do you have Hyperspace? This stuff has already been confirmed.

No I would never pay money to view a website. Attack of the Clones rocks by the way. Its the best.

Post: #67516
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67516/action/topic#67516
Time: 26-Sep-2004 5:32 AM

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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Have you ever stopped and looked at the Jabba scene objectively? Reading an interesting site on the SEs, I agree with his conclusion. There's no way George's, "couldn't fit in the effects" statement works. The sequence is not an effects sequence. Watch Han, he walks around the rather large and difficult to hide placeholder actor. He gestures in front of him. Heck, they're walking!! These things make the insertion of a stop motion creature nearly impossible at the time. it would've cost more than the rest of the effects. If it had meant to use a puppet, the two would have stood still, and the placeholder wouldn't have been so large. Also, consider the fact that Lucas didn't even fully design Jabba for the film. It's not an effects shot, and I doubt it was meant to be one.

The scene was cut for one reason, and one reason alone, it stunk. The dialogue's redundant, it spoils the Falcon's reveal, and it alludes to things that don't even impact the film. It wastes time, and is completely unnecessary. Don't give me any of that "it ties IV to VI better' garbage either. That's what Greedo's for. It does affect the story. Vader's shuttle, Jedi Rocks, Mos Eisley, The Celebration, Hayden, they all affect the story. Some do so out right, other through pacing, setting, feel. Jimbo, I respect you're right to disagree, but could you please come up with retorts that don't quote documenteries and interviews word for word. An original stance would be nice.

That is what he said in the audio commentary.

Post: #67505
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67505/action/topic#67505
Time: 26-Sep-2004 4:29 AM

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Originally posted by: Sam_Lu
Come on, you can't compare a small matte clean-up as a one-to-one "change" with the segment between Han and Jabba in Star Wars. One goes by in a the bat of an eye, while the other drones on endlessly, and changes the entire pace of the movie.

Duration and effect on the story are the prime considerations when looking at these things, otherwise Lucas could just re-film the entire trilogy and state he only made ONE small change.

P.S., just for the record, I COULDN'T CARE LESS abut Lucas updating the visual effects in the EXISTING FOOTAGE of the Original Trilogy. Clear? It's the NEW FOOTAGE, INSERTED FX, and BLATANT STORY CHANGES that bother me.

Clear?

That scene was always meant to be there. They didn't have the time or money to create the stop motion puppet. Thats how it was orginally filmed and scripted. There are no real story changes. Its the same story I have always loved.

Post: #67350
Topic: Bringing back Futurama
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67350/action/topic#67350
Time: 25-Sep-2004 3:09 PM

Heres a recent interview with Goenings

Reruns get great ratings on the Cartoon Network. Any chance of a 'Family Guy'-like resurrection for 'Futurama'?
We're trying to figure it out. If we can do more episodes, we'd love to. It's a very ambitious show, and it's very expensive. That's been a sticking point. What [co-developer] David Cohen and I would love is to continue many of the stories we worked out in advance. All science-fiction epics have an underlying theme, which is 'things are not what they seem to be,' and that was certainly the case with 'Futurama.' David and I worked for a couple of years [planning the show] before we even pitched it, and we haven't revealed all of the secrets that are embedded in it. There are even characters that we created back in the beginning of the series that we never got around to introducing. It looks like a goofy cartoon, but the underlying science-fiction ideas are pretty good.

Other thing we see a short Futurama clip on the Star Wars DVDs during the credits of birth of a lightsaber. I think Lucasfilm is pulling for the cause of bring the show back. Its ovious that its creater wants it back. I have alot of hope. Even if the cause does fail the first four seasons on DVD are great and I will always loved them.

Post: #67340
Topic: Star Wars 2004 DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67340/action/topic#67340
Time: 25-Sep-2004 2:13 PM

I voted bought it and enjoyed it. The lack short supply of extras prevent from being the best DVD set ever. That would have to go to the Alien Quadrilogy.

Post: #67337
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67337/action/topic#67337
Time: 25-Sep-2004 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by: Sam_Lu
Hey Jimbo, I love digital effects as well, and when used appropriately (like in Fellowship of the Ring) it makes it possible to see the unfilmable.

My problem with the horrific SE and 2004 SSE versions is not the digital effects, but the jarring impact that adding FX-laden story portions of these 1977-83 films. It just doesn't look right in terms of consistency, anymore than significant facial surgery looks good on an 80-year old woman. You take one look, cringe, and think "whoa, something's not right here".

Not to mention that updating JUST the digital FX to the OT is the LEAST of my worries, as it is the ham-fisted "let's re-do the story" crap that is truly offending. If George wanted Greedo to shoot first, he would have done it in Star Wars. It's not like he didn't write or direct the fucking movie. Then we have the stupidity of showing the Wampa over and over and over, thereby bleeding the scene of its original suspense, along with the uttery lame "Hayden Ghost", and a ton of other amateur changes that a first-year film student would reject.

You like updated visual FX, and I have no huge problem with it either, but don't be a moron and try and pass the SE and 2004 SSE versions as just "updated FX', as the changes are far more intrusive than just that.

Vast majority of the changes are just upgraded effects. There are over a hundred changes in the 2004 edition but but only a few of them aren't upgraded effects. I don't like all the changes but there are far more good ones then bad ones.

Post: #67327
Topic: Why I Don't Like Anything About Naboo or Sifo-Dyas
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67327/action/topic#67327
Time: 25-Sep-2004 1:41 PM

The secret behind Sifo-Dyas will be reveled in Revenge of the Sith according to the Attack of the Clones commentary. I also believe Alderan will appear in Revenge of the Sith.

Post: #67325
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67325/action/topic#67325
Time: 25-Sep-2004 1:37 PM

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Originally posted by: Sam_Lu
Is this Jimbo guy a Lucas Mole?

I mean, no one could really LOVE these crap-fest 2004 versions so much, and continually think up new and increasingly illlogical reasons for the changes. Everything's perfect in Lucas La La Land for this guy, which is bizarre, unless Georgie Porgy is paying his salary.

I wish I was a Lucas mole. I am just a 17 year old Star Wars fan who loves digital effects. It just looks more realistic to me.

Post: #67162
Topic: Anakin's ghost?!?!?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67162/action/topic#67162
Time: 24-Sep-2004 5:36 PM

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Originally posted by: swine
Can somebody please tell me why they changed (even from the SE's as far as I can tell!!!) Anakins ghost at the end of ROTJ? I seem to remember Luke, in the middle of the Ewok party, looking off to see his fathers visage (an old man) along with Yoda and Ben. So who the f#@k is that long haired kid grinning like an idiot in the DVD version? Anakin? If it is, why isn't Ben's character look like Ewan MacGreggor? Am I nuts (distinctly possible)?

Obi-wan was good until death. Which is why he still looks old. Anakin Skywalker died when he became Darth Vader. "Then my father is truely dead"

Post: #67160
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67160/action/topic#67160
Time: 24-Sep-2004 5:33 PM

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Originally posted by: ricarleite<br
Don't these things just love to come back and bite you in the ass.

Jimbo, the whole apology thing was merely an ironic joke on the whole thing. I owe you nothing, I did not offend you in any way, and truly I don't need to apologise to you for anything. I'll avoid being slightly sarcastic from now on.

I didn't say you did I was just being a bit big headed. Sorry if I offended you. I just feel good being right.

Post: #67024
Topic: Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call changed on DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67024/action/topic#67024
Time: 24-Sep-2004 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
No Special Edition change is good.

Now thats fucking crazy. Come one what about the new Mos Isley, expanded cloud city, new wampa, new sarlacc, matt line deletion, improved Yavin shots, improved lightsabers, new Biggs scene, and the deletion of that horrendous ewok song. Plenty of really awsome changes that make the movie better. For every bad change there are 50 good ones.

Mos Eisley: Bad, had more of a ghost-town feel to it before that was more ominous.

Cloud City: Good, always liked this, but they needed some window-consistency there...

Wampa: Bad. More tense and ominous not seeing him much.

Sarlacc: Bad. WTF is with that beak?

Matte Lines: Good until they missed 93 of them.

Yavin: Split on these...some good and some bad

Lightsabers: See MATTE LINES.

Biggs: VERY good, the biggest change in the SE that I think improves the film...hell, the ONLY change that improved the film.

Ewok Song: Always liked it, but I do like the SE song better, it works more as an ending to the saga.

DEATH STAR ATTACK (since you forgot this): I actually like the SE version a lot more, it's more tense and exciting. I actually almost got annoyed watching the OT version of this with all the slowness and roughness of it and then I realized what I was thinking and slapped myself.

The new Wampa is my favorite change. The scene made no sense before. Its much better seeing it. The beak on the sarlacc is the only way to watch that scene. I always thought the sarlacc was stupid. There is nothing threatening about a hole in the ground. With the beak it really makes the sarlac a monster out to get them. A great change. The orginal ewok song sucked ass. In my opinion its worse then Jedi rocks. The new one isn't great either but its better then that dog turd.

Post: #67012
Topic: Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call changed on DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67012/action/topic#67012
Time: 24-Sep-2004 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
No Special Edition change is good.

Now thats fucking crazy. Come one what about the new Mos Isley, expanded cloud city, new wampa, new sarlacc, matt line deletion, improved Yavin shots, improved lightsabers, new Biggs scene, and the deletion of that horrendous ewok song. Plenty of really awsome changes that make the movie better. For every bad change there are 50 good ones.

Post: #66848
Topic: Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call changed on DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66848/action/topic#66848
Time: 23-Sep-2004 4:52 PM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Jabba could've shifted over beforehand so he could walk around...somehow. I don't know, I just think the whole scene should've stayed on the cutting room floor. The Anakin ghost change sucks major ass. It not only looks stupid (he looks like a complete jackass), it is just retarded. But regarding Luke recognizing him...he is a Jedi and they do have those force abilities. I'm sure he could sense his father's presence. On the same topic, removing Anakin's eyebrows was stupid. I mean come one. Even if Anakin gets his face burned in ROTS, technology keeps him alive, why couldn't it regrow his eyebrows??

Removing his eye brows is a very good change. It makes his face more messed up and therefore improves Vaders suffering. If his hair didn't grow back neither would his eye brows. I think the Jabba scene helps bridge the gap between the movies better. I like the scene but Han stepping on Jabbas tail didn't make sense.

Post: #66844
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66844/action/topic#66844
Time: 23-Sep-2004 4:44 PM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Leave the goddamn Ewoks alone. They're better than anything that has come out of your precious prequels. Said prequels have ruined the end of Return Of The Jedi. I came to accept the Yanni-sounding shit-ass music that replaced the Yub Yub music...now I have to look at fucking Gungans cheering and Anakin looking like a complete jackass next to REAL Jedi. Goddamn you.

Not a Gun gun fan but I will take frog men over teddy bears anyday. The gun gun fight may have been gooffy but it makes alot more sense. The gun guns had several advanced energy weapons and shields. Droids are alot less efficient then stormtroopers. Even then many gun guns die and they lost the battle until the ship was destroyed. The ewoks have no advanced technology. They also suck as warriors and constantly faulter. Despite this they defeat a huge army of stormtroopers with only a few of them died. It made the clones look like pussies. "Oh my God 3 foot teddy bears with sticks lets ignore our years of military training and advanced weapons and fall down" They also bring down a walker with logs. Too bad none of the rebals on Hoth didn't have logs it would have probably saved there bases from the walkers that advanced laser canons couldn't take down. The Empire is powerful enough to rule the galaxy but can't seem to build a targetting system that can hit a bear running at ten miles per hour. Ever hear of infared. Return of the Jedi is the only Star Wars flick where the odds don't make sense.

Post: #66836
Topic: Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call changed on DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66836/action/topic#66836
Time: 23-Sep-2004 4:30 PM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Oh my dear lord...Jimbo hates the change...

But anyway, might be it was changed because it was similar to the sound of the Dewbacks. Not sure tho...

Changes I dislike

1. Greedo shooting first. I know everyone always mentions this one but it is a needless change that kind of lessesns the scene.

2. Changing Obi-Wans call. Really needless and makes no sense

3. Changing Bobas voice. Its better for continuality but I loved Bobas old voice and its possible for a clone to have a slightly different voice

4. Hayden as Anakins Ghost. Makes sense in some ways but its a bit disrespectful to the memory of Shaw and it doesn't make sense that Luke recognizes him as his father considering his radically different appearance.

5. Han stepping on Jabbas tail. I like everything else about the scene but why would Han in an attempt to bargin for his life step on Jabbas tail. It should have been modified so Han steps over Jabbas tail.

Post: #66785
Topic: You'd think they'd clean this up - the unfixed issues of the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66785/action/topic#66785
Time: 23-Sep-2004 1:41 PM

Errors still there

Lukes whitesaber is still there
R2s blue panels are still black in the A New Hope space battle
Vaders saber still turns pink in a few shots
Ewoks are still there

Post: #66784
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66784/action/topic#66784
Time: 23-Sep-2004 1:30 PM

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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Jeez, Jimbo.

Can you accept an apology without getting a big head about it?

I just love how I was so insistant about it. I said there will be changes. I stated this as fact. People kept saying jimbo you don't know anything. You shouldn't assume them as fact. I am now going to insist that in 2007 there will be more changes. People will again deny me but I will be right again. I am hoping for an ewok genocide.

Post: #66763
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66763/action/topic#66763
Time: 23-Sep-2004 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Not that I'm speaking from experience as we all know I'm not buying the set, but I'm surprised, considering the state of your system, that you can't hear it, Jimbo. Everybody else seems to be able to detect it no problem. Weird.

Even with such a good sound system, most people wouldn't notice the problem, and since Jimbo here really doesn't want to, it sounds good to him. Well, at least he's pleased with the DVDs.

Oh, and Jimbo, I owe you an apologise, I remember clearly how you insisted that the insafmous AICN screenshot showing Hayden as Anakin on ROTJ was real, and I insisted it was not. I remember that 4 or 5 months ago I was absolutely sure that no more changes would be made on the trilogy, and you were sure that there were going to be some more changes. Well, I was wrong, and you were right. Now I know GL can still surprise me with his asshole ways...

Don't these things just love to come back and bite you in the ass.

Post: #66760
Topic: Interview with Gary Kurtz (very good - from 2002 at IGN)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66760/action/topic#66760
Time: 23-Sep-2004 11:47 AM

Really this interview explains better why Return of the Jedi sucks in comparison with Empire Strikes Back. That move had so many good ideas. They way it was all just thrown away and turned into the medicore mess it is today is truely sad. At least that horrendous ewok song is gone forever. People complain about the Jedi rocks song. This is very bad but Return of the Jedi is filled with crap like that. If a music number like that was added into The Empire Strikes Back I would have been pissed. He also refermes the idea that Greedo was not always meant to shoot first. Good interview.