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#34358
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George Lucas' explanation why the OT is obsolete to him
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
I have to say I do like some of the changes in the SE. And I'm absolutely not against the idea of an SE at all. All I can say is that when I watch the OT, I don't miss a single thing. Whereas the SE has a few disturbing things in them that kind of distract me from enjoying them as much as the OT versions, especially because there's no logical pattern to the kind of changes that were made. I'm constantly distracted by thoughts like "why oh why did he change that, but did not change that?!".

My gripes with some of the CGI stuff that was added in is, that they can be easily identified as such. They just don't blend in with the rest of the scenery in most cases. That's why I think 1997 was too early to make the SEs. Imho, they would have been much much better had they been made alongside the prequels.


In 2007 there will be versions to match the look of the prequals and a couple new scenes (already filmed) to tie the six films together. The 1997 were just the first step in an evolving process. The 2004 DVDs will include aditional changes but will not be the final versions according to the digital bits.
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#34346
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Buy or not to buy. That is the question.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/34346/action/topic#34346
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
If I buy this version it will be for the extras, so in all likely hood I'll jsut rent/borrow it.

Regardless of whether the originals get released, I'm going to wait for the 2007 ultimate edition. If I have to have a special edition, I at least want the complete one.



Patrick.R, you have the laserdiscs, and you mentioned editing the SE (something I've thought about doing in the future as well) do you have the equipment to copy the laserdiscs right now? Or is this something your looking at for the future?


If you like the originals better to buy the Special Editions to Ultimate Editions because they will be much closer to the originals.
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#34345
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George Lucas' explanation why the OT is obsolete to him
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/34345/action/topic#34345
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Deleting Matte lines aren't the best changes. I absolutly loved the new cloud city. It was so cloustrophbic with no windows and besides the outside shots there is little indication of where they are. The windows opening on to the city made that better. I also loved the better views of the wampa and salac. As for the original dewbacks I didn't even know those were suppose to creatures until Lucas told me in the documentary. The Computer dewbacks are so much better. We never got a good look at them until now. The rings to the explosions made them realistic no way something that big can explode with no ring. The new shots on the deathstar fight make the original lacking. The transparent cockpits enchancements the end celebration the movies are so much more alive now then they ever were before. The Special Editions are a vast improvement people against them point to Greedo shoting first all the time. Yeah even I dislike that change but its so small I must have blinked or something but I didn't even notice it when first saw the Special Editions but I sure as hell noticed those awsome enhancements.
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#34335
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Has anyone tried to re edit the SE yet? like the "phantom edit" but with the original trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/34335/action/topic#34335
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
The problem is that simply cutting out Jar jar and Jake Lloyd doesn't really help the movie, and from my viewing of the TPE, it actually hurt the movie as now these two characters seem to come out of nowhere for the final battle.

TPM is not a perfect movie, but its problems lie in the basics of its story, ie: Anakin being 9 years old. No amount of editing will fix that. AOTC on the other hand, can be saved immensely through editing. Though its script was equally if not more problematic, its editing was the real disaster, and a lot of improvements can be made by simply cutting, reinserting and rearranging certain elements.

ie: swapping the meadow picnic with the first kiss scene. Taking out the queen jamilla scene and putting in the padme's family scene.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
Cut out Yodas fight scene! Thats the best part of the saga. The best five minutes in the history of movies. It was brilliant you can cut it out for your stupid little home version but don't try selling a garbage Yoda fight free version of Attack of the Clones.


I cut it out in my version. Yoda walks in, Dooku says ""you have interferred for the last time" then uses the force to knock over the pillar, Yoda uses the force to stop it from crushing Obi-wan and Anakin as Dooku flees.

the movie works MUCH better that way.


In your opinion but never let those horrid Yoda fight free versions in public. Seeing Yoda jump around was the best scene of any movie ever. The theater was chearing when was fighting. It showed why he is the Jedi Master. Just seeing him fight is worth buying the DVD. How can you possibly not love that scene to death?
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#34331
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Read these two articles please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/34331/action/topic#34331
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For once I agree with you guys that Greedo always shooting first is total bullshit. It was so technologically bad. Most of the changes made the movie more advanced Greedo shooting first made the movie less advanced. Plus I like Han just shooting him it makes him more cool. Though I disagree that it destroyed Hans character thats going too far. By the way of course he would be nice to Jabba he is a warlord with armed troops Han can be a badass without being stupid. Ign.com says that they will restore this scene for the 2004 DVDs God I hope they are right since it is the only change I truly dislike. Then again there are 300 other changes I loved so I can't complain.
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#34329
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George Lucas' explanation why the OT is obsolete to him
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/34329/action/topic#34329
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Lucas wrote the drafts for all Star Wars movies. He thought up the universe and everything that was great about. Many other great minds made the movies but Lucas was the main guy. While not including the originals is one thing but don't critize the making of the Special Editions or future Ultimate Editions. Lucas attempted and failed to already do many of the Special Editions changes in the original versions. People often complain about Greedo shooting first but what about matte line deletion, more thriving cities, better creatures. So many changes that made the movies so much more alive. I never heard either of the directers of The Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi complain about the Special Editions. Films evolve they are a changing growing process.
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#34240
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My worst nightmare - the unaltered theatrical versions no longer existing...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/34240/action/topic#34240
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I don't care but I am not against the originals being released for those who like them. And yes the national archive has the prints separate from Lucusfilm so that Lucas can not destroy them. I don't hate Return of the Jedi but it is by far my least favorite Star Wars movie the archive is suppose to be for truly great films which Return of the Jedi definutly is not just good. A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back do definutly deserve there place.
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#34238
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Okay, what did we LIKE about the Special Editions?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/34238/action/topic#34238
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Originally posted by: Bossk
With The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones it was new scenes.

People keep talking about these new scenes. I have yet to see either on DVD. What are the new scenes?


First of all if you don't own Attack of the Clones on DVD drop what your doing, quit reading this darn post and buy the fucking thing. It is the best movie of all time in an amazing digital presentation. By the way The Phantom Menace DVD contains one minute to the pod race intro, one minute to the pod race itself, one minute arrival on Coressent. In Attack of the Clones we get an extra 30 seconds to Anakins talk with Padme after terminating the tuskins. This extra dialog helped in my opinion like most of Lucases changes. Also again BUY THE MOTHER FUCKING DVDs RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Pardon my french.
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#33901
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It's official! the 2004 OT DVD release will be the Special Editions :(
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33901/action/topic#33901
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Originally posted by: R2-G2
I don't mean to be rude, but if you came up to me at a store and told me not to buy something, I'd probably tell you to go stick it somewhere. Coming at people like that is confrontational and it is a normal instinctive human response to treat such an approach as hostile and will most likely get you kicked out of the store, because if I was a manager, you would be interfering with my business. Doing something like you are proposing will get you hauled off by the cops.

I feel the better solution is INSTEAD of telling people what NOT to do, take a petition and approach people who have bought the DVD and ask them to sign a petition asking for the release of the original editions of the Star Wars trilogy. You can educate them about the fact that Lucas is only putting the Special Editions out on the box set. A fact that I'm sure some customers will be very surprised about and will probably get you a good number of signatures on that issue alone.

Yes, I know there is an online petition, but I work in the entertainment field and online petitions mean very little to companies. It's hard pieces of paper that REALLY stand out. I realize that the efforts of OT.COM and others on behalf of releasing the OT on DVD are noble, sincere and valiant. But having a big stack of papers plopped on your desk is much more dramatic than someone saying "hey, there are 50,000 signatures on the online petition"

In this day and age, people take the easiest and convenient way out, and that is by doing it online.

Just speaking from my experience in the entertainment industry, hard copy letters carry much more weight than emails.

If you want to bring petitions with you to for people to sign, I am all for it and I may even want to participate. You will probably be well received by customers and you may even get support of the management, because when you convince them that they will sell even more Star Wars if the original editions are released, they will be more than happy to support you; or at least not bother you as you collect signatures. If you want to accost people (yes accost) and tell them not to buy merchandise, I strongly advise against that. It would only get you into trouble and make us OT fans look bad.

Please consider the petition drive idea rather than a picket line.


I think most people would say leave me the fuck alone. I like the Special Editions. I don't think store would cater to you telling customers not to buy.

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#33898
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Okay, what did we LIKE about the Special Editions?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33898/action/topic#33898
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Only problem is that Spielberg directed the IJ films so he would have to make the change, not Lucas. And, at least Spielberg would include both versions when releasing it to DVD.


Yes but the Indiana Jones DVDs don't contain the original versions. Only the ones with the 14 changes. The changes don't add anything they delete things you were never meant to see. All Lucasfilm DVDs have had surprises. With The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones it was new scenes. Indiana Jones it was eliminating crew equitment and glass. American Grafeti digitally enhanced sky. Therefore I am sure he will add a little something for the 2004 DVDs.
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#33897
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My worst nightmare - the unaltered theatrical versions no longer existing...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33897/action/topic#33897
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Hey guys I have my first positive thing to say to you guys dun da da dun

The movies were put in the national film archive so they will always be preserved. Even if Lucas did destroy the film stocks there is still a useable one in the national archive. They put in there films they believe need to be preserved no matter what. Don't know how Return of the Jedi could fit this but whatever.
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#33416
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Digital Bits thoughts?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33416/action/topic#33416
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Bill Hunt also said we can expect additional changes to for this DVD. These will not be exactly like they were in 1997. That idea excites me. He also said he prefers the originals but doesn't mind the Special Editions. He also said that there will be Ultimate Editions. He says he has reliable industry sources. As far as I am concered thats all I need to consider it fact I have never known the bits to be that false.
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#33375
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Read these two articles please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/33375/action/topic#33375
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The Jabba scene was originally intended for the movie. He filmed this scene expecting to put a stop motion puppet in its place. Also the fixed lightsabers is true. The color timming was enhanced to make the lightsabers appear better but they were not CGI. There was a false rumor there were also CGI clouds but that was bogus. The fixed lightsabers are true however. I agree fixing the lightsabers makes more sense then any Jabba scene but I don't mind that scene. According to the digital bits there will be additional changes in the 2004 DVDs. My guess is we will get fixed lightsabers on the DVD. Possibly more black line removal and hopefully a restored Han and Greedo scene.