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#60642
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Boycott the 2004 OT SE DVD release - c'mon, you can do it
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60642/action/topic#60642
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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi<

Part of me wants to know how you came upon this information. The other part wants to figure out if it's of any use to me. As for the boycott, both YourHums and Jimbo are correct. A boycott is the best way to show our disapproval. After all, whether Jimbo likes it or not, the SE wasn't supposed to be released on video, period. Wave after wave of SW fans, eager to see the films on the big screen in whatever form, gave Lucas the idea to release them in the first place. It was puplic ignorence then and it's puplic ignorence now. There are basically three camps.

Special Editionests - Prefer the Se. While some also like the O-OT, other dispise it as "inferior" and take perverse pleasure in tellin O-OTers that "it's dead".

O-OTers - the exact opposite. Believes that the untainted versions are the only true versions, though most don't mind the SE and would buy both.

The Ignorent Masses - The largest group. thousands of times in sze to the other two combined, their usual response to all of this is "There are TWO versions????????". People like my father couldn't tell which version they were watching anyway. And even if they can, they don't care.

That's it in a nutshell. In the end, the fate of SW is decided by people who see it as just another film. End of story.


Id say that Special Editionists outnumber Originaltrilogyists by a very tiny margin. I agree that ignorant masses are probably 90% of all Star Wars fans.
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#60563
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60563/action/topic#60563
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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
It's called a deep sci-fi film. Sorry that it bothers you that Arnold was emotional but there's these things called themes (take any Literature class...)


He is as John Connor put it a "fucking machine" His kind were built to wipe out the human race. Even so emotional acting was never Arnies strong point. He will always be the king of action. Its like Jim Carry taking drama. Actors should stick to what they are good at. Did he really have to take orders from that punk. I just couldn't stand that kid. You call it deep but its not its just such a rediculous failed attempt. Micheal Behiens preformance as Kyle was very deep and personally showed that Jim Cameron can make intellegent action flicks. Its really unusual he is also responsible for Terminator 2.
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#60556
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AVP
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60556/action/topic#60556
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I myself am not a big Paul Anderson fan either. But no directer not even him should be censored so moliciously. Apparently the new cut will be 30 minutes longer then in the theater. I doubt it will be just just 30 minutes of gore so there will be more story. It could possibly fill in many plot holes, or help characters become more likable. I suspect this to be a more complete and likeable movie. Still I don't think they can make it as good as Aliens unless they completely redid it.
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#60480
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Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60480/action/topic#60480
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
Bravo Luke.

That's precisely what made the Empire the dominant force in the Galaxy. The fact that they were all but the only prevailing ideology in the Galaxy meant that if you wanted a government job you joined the Academy and became a part of the Empire. Kevin Smith's characters talk at length about this in one of his films, Clerks I think.

Plus to suggest that the troopers are still clones would be to imply that the 'clone wars' were still going on. But Luke and Ben clearly state in the film from 20 years ago that those wars took place around the time that Obi-Wan and Anakin were friends.

Never mind what some revisionist, plaid-clad, bearded, shut-in says now on an audio-commentary, the fact is that the screen story itself reveals the truth.


The "Clone Wars" are the name of the battles between the Republic and the Confederacy. Just because clones are still used doesn't make these the clone wars. Whether they were originally meant to be clones is irrelevent. Point is now they are clones. I want an explaination of why Leia wasn't afraid of Luke in stormtrooper costume if they weren't clones.
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#60476
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60476/action/topic#60476
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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
As stated before, AVP is the director's cut, not studio censored.

T2 is considered one of the greatest sci-fi films ever made. T3 is alright. Nothing special but worthy of the name.


First of all go read the AVP thread. I posted an article that proves studio censorship. An R rated directers cut is headed for DVD. Terminator 2 had redeaming factors like Robert Patricks preformance and state of the art effects. Though I personally consider Jurassic Park not Terminator 2 as the breakthrough digital movie. Since that was the first time digital effects realistically created a real creature. Terminator 2 is filled with flaws. Goody toshoes Arnie was awful. He goes from the Ultimate kick ass villian to "Why do you cry." Not even Arnie could make shitty dialog like that work. In Terminator 3 Arnie was still the protecter but he is less emotional and didn't have to take orders from some little punk. Terminator 2 John Connor was just a whinny brat. I honestly couldn't stand that kid. The future of mankind hah. Hardly the great man Kyle described. Did you know the reason he was replaced for the third movie was that he was a pot head. While the first movie was a realsitic scifi movie the second one destroys that with the T-1000. Possibly the most impossible scifi creation ever. The laws of physics prevent a machine like that from functioning. Though he was pretty cool but its all fluff. Possibly the worst thing was it totally fucked the ass of the first movies time travel theroys. Terminator 2 is alright I guess but considering one the greatest scifi films makes no sense to me.
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#60468
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60468/action/topic#60468
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Originally posted by: Figrin_Dan
Says you Jimbo, no one else here seems to agree that Mostow lived up to Cameron. Sure your entitled to your opinion.

What people tend to forget is Hollywood is all about $$$$ first and artistic credibility second. Hence why movies like T3, Freddy vs Jason, AvP get made with different directors than the originals. You think studio Exec's care about the stories/characters we love? You think they care about preserving the feel of the previous films? As long as they can make a profit on a movie franchise/someone's vision (eg Cameron's "Terminator") they will do anything to make it happen.

Look at George Lucas and Lucasfilm. There's all the evidence you need about the relationship between studio executives and the artist.


The Freddy and Jason series were always one big joke ball. As I stated in the other thread Alien versus Predator is a movie brought horribly down by studio censorship. Really Terminator 3 is the movie that I was expecting to suck and was pleasantly surprised just how good it was. Not only did it not suck it was a really good movie. And most importantly. JIM CAMERON LIKES TERMINATOR 3. He believes Mostow did a good job with his franchise. He stated in the same interview that he hates Alien 3. The first Terminator is a masterpeice. Its simply one of the best scifi action flicks ever made. Terminator 2 is a huge letdown. I actually saw Terminator 2 first. I enjoyed it but I didn't love the Terminator franchise until seeing the first. Terminator 3 is not the masterpeice the first movie was or the disaster then many continued franchises become. Its a very good movie thats definutly worth seeing. If for anything for Kristanna Loken.
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#60436
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Terminator Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60436/action/topic#60436
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Originally posted by: Switch Radic
steering things back on topic, I hope they can pull off a terminator flick without Arnie. It's bad enough that they had to leave behind Jim Cameron.


They didn't leave Jim Cameron behind he refused the project after ten friggin years of studio negosiation. John Mostow has proven he is a fine directer who was able to live up to the respect of Jim Camerons franchise.
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#60434
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HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60434/action/topic#60434
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HD-DVD has the advantage now because of its better codecs. Blu-Ray at MPEG-2 versus HD-DVD at MPEG-4 and VC-9 is no contest. HD-DVD is better in every way. In terms of prerecorded media Blu-Ray has no advantage of any kind. It would hold 30% more information and be 20% cheaper. If Blu-Ray adopts VC-9 and MPEG-4 then it will have my support. HD-DVD would loose both advantages. Since though Blu-Ray is more expensive per disc to make then HD-DVD the cost of making two HD-DVD would be quite a bit more then one Blu-Ray. With Blu-Rays higher storage it would make needing more then one disc unnessessary. Because of this most studios might change there minds. HD-DVD name would be its only advantage. But as of now HD-DVD has officially supported the better codecs well Blu-Ray has not. As a result I am now all on the HD-DVD camp.
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#60433
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AVP
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60433/action/topic#60433
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
i'm guessing the movie will be out by cristmas time


I doubt it. Aparently he is still tweaking the effects of his directers cut. Even the theatrical cut was tweaked until the very last minute. My guess is Alien versus Predator will not his DVD until early 2005.
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#60421
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AVP
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60421/action/topic#60421
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Heres an exact transcript of the article

Judging by it he seems to be very unsatisfied with the theatrical cut of the movie and blames the studio for its poor reseption. He blames both its release date and the studios PG-13 madness that will not end. He says that many shots he liked had to be cut because they did not have time to finish them. He also said that the studios blatent censorship of the movie also lowered it. In the interview he also answers an important plot hole that would have been explained in the "Real movie". The fact that he referes to his future cut as the real movie shows how unsatisfied he is with the theatrical cut.
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#60388
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Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60388/action/topic#60388
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
I'm kinda of the mind that they were Clones for a while, but eventually, Palpatine got tired of spending th money producing more and started to force the people of various worlds into his servitude, so while there are still some of the original clones as storm troopers (ie: the head whacking), there are also a lot of guys who are Joe Blow off the street, who don't want to be there.
It would explain why they are so skilled in EP II, and can't hit the broad side of a barn with an ion cannon by EP IV.


In the Attack of the Clones commentary he referes to them as stormtroopers. He also mentions that when Jango knocked his head its a refference to the fact that one of his clones knok there head in A New Hope. This is absolute proff that at least some of the original trilogy stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett. It really makes sense that they would be clones of Jango Fett. Also I think "Aren't you alittle short for a stormtrooper" is definutly proff of them being clones. Leia looks at him and is not afraid. She know stormtroopers were coming to kill her and appeared a bit flirty to Luke. Not normal behavior if she believed they were there to kill her. Liea oviously saw that he was the wrong size and could not be a stormtrooper. Showing they are all the same. They are all clones of Jango.
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#60385
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AVP
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60385/action/topic#60385
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Originally posted by: Bossk
That is a true "director's cut". How could the studios cut this movie? It's two horror franchises, for chrissake! They are meant to be rated "r".


Whats worse is that since Alien versus Predator made alot of money the studios might try this again. I hope to God we don't get a PG-13 Terminator flick. Whats worse is in the movie you can easily tell that the movie was meant to be R. Seeing this movie in the theater reminds me of seeing the Predator on FX broadcasts. You can always tell that censorship was practiced. Many deaths that were offscreen in the theater will be shown onscreen on the DVD. Also aside from more blood, gore, and profanity the directers cut will also include an added subplot.
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#60366
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AVP
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60366/action/topic#60366
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Great news. In an interview Paul Anderson confermed that we will get an R rated cut for the movie on DVD. He says he filmed an R rated movie and is angry with the studio for cutting it to PG-13. As R rating won't make this movie great but it will definutly raise my opinion.
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#60365
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Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60365/action/topic#60365
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George Lucas stated in the commentary for the Attack of the Clones DVD that they were clones. I am sure there will be plenty of clone factories. Clones seem to be the perfect warriors. They will not go awal or betray. For example what if the emperor wastes time and money training people only for them to use that training against them in the allience. It doesn't seem efficient. The clones showed in the Clone Wars that they are the perfect warriors. They have all the skill of a trained warrior without any possibility of going awal.
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#60335
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Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60335/action/topic#60335
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
are the Stormtroopers in the original trilogy clones?

I always thought that by the time of A New Hope the Empire was using conscripted armed forces ( In the ANH radio drama Luke was applying to the Imperial Academy) , and that the use of Clones ended back in the days of the clone wars, I doubt they could constantly churn out Jango clones forever, and the clones from AOTC would only have a limited shelf life, what happens to Clones when they are too old to fight? Old Clones Home? and surely all the Imperial officers in the original trilogy rose up through the ranks of Troops and none of them look like Jango Fett.

I think this will probably be explained in episode 3


"Aren't you alittle short for a stormtrooper" because there all the same.

Lucas stated in the commentary for Attack of the Clones that the stormtroopers are clones of Jango. In the movies they appeared to follow orders without any humanity and had no fear of death. You can't train that. There genetically born that way. If they are not clones then why are they all human. Why not have a variety of races recuitted.
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#60253
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Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60253/action/topic#60253
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Originally posted by: Mr.Coffee
Calm down, man! You know as well as anybody there will be several releases on DVD. Each one will be ever so different, and will include a "must have" scene or whatever. The point is, IT's A HUGE MONEY GRAB! Not just Lucas, but all the tight-ass suits at Lucasfilm, Fox & whatever. Do you think those prequel DVD's would have sold well if there was no deleted scenes or 8hrs. of extras? (or whatever it was).


Yeah so what. I am happy to have the current best version of the movies on the DVD format with great video and audio and a decent set of extras. Its the same as the dumbasses who tell me not to buy DVDs because of the HD-DVD format. Something better is always coming on everything. Yeah there will be a better release. It won't be for at least two years and there will definutly be no new release in 2005. So what. Personally I will never buy them again on this format. But yeah in 2007 I will be there to buy the 6 movie HD-DVD pack. To watch all 6 Star Wars in high definition won't be something I will pass up.
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#60248
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Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60248/action/topic#60248
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
I would imagine the reason for no deleted scenes is Lucas's fear that people will edit them back into the film. I know that if he made the Sandstorm scene from ROTJ availible completed, I'd be firing up DVDDecrypter and putting that sucker back in the film itself.

Plus, once the fan have the footage, they won't ever pay to go see a re-edited OT in theaters again.....not that anyone from this site would anyways.


You guys and your fucking consperacy theroys on Lucas. He released deleted scenes for the prequel DVDs. Come on considering how Revenge of Sith is absolutly huge we are lucky to be getting DVDs at all.