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kk650 said:

Getting back to Back to the Future, I'm planning to regrade the DCP to match the colours of the DVD release. From what I have seen of the DCP, there is no need for dirt or scratch removal IMHO, the transfer is clean and the grain is very nice.

What I would like to know is what everybody here thinks about the skateboard wheels changing colour in those few shots. Is that a deal breaker for some of you or do you not really care? It'd be a little more work but I could probably change the colour of the wheels back in those few shots without too much difficulty. Should I do that or leave it as is?

 I'd say it definitely distracts you from the movie if you know about it. Although its not a "deal breaker".

Awesome! Look forward to it.

Looks great. Pretty beat up, but what can be expected from an old print like this ;)

Lil Brutto said:

UPDATE!

The print has been undergoing a $hitload of TLC over the past few months. For instance, the restoration working on the film just finished repairing a TEN FOOT TEAR without losing a single frame! It's a very time consuming process and can only be accomplished by someone like him with extensive knowledge and experience (a rarity nowadays).

Here is a link to a before/after comparison of R1 footage:

https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/9c3fb3512137f071e81a68ec2d1d5cbf20150402190409/abbcd64b3ff19942656c68af0492193220150402190409/ee80d2

This is after numerous cleaning passes. No attempt has been made to color correct the scan as of yet. But it's abundantly clear that the MGM 4K BD is way off.

Enjoy!

 Can you reupload this? I missed it.

Completely different scan.

To me making a film back up of the digital negative makes a lot of sense. After all film is a lot more durable over a long period of time.

But it almost sounds like you want the film one to be THE negative? That seems silly if it can be avoided. Scan film, correct everything, then print it back onto the film. Only to be scanned in again at a later date?

^^I think this approach would be best for the actual restoration. And the individual ship fixes would probably be better suited for your improved version.

I realise it cant tell you EVERYTHING, but in this case if multiple prints have the same misallignment, it's likely to be the original negative :)

^^they look a bit magenta shifted to me. But overall it seems the bluray was going for this kind of a feel. They just went overboard with the green tint this time. (sort of like raiders really)

CSchmidlapp said:

Here are some colour correction tests Ive been playing around with very quick.
First Ive cleaned up the Edge Enhancement with a AVIsynth plug in called BlindDeHalo3 on default settings.
I rendered to a 1920x1080p 4:2:2 UT loss-less codec .avi
I'm editing in Adobe Premiere and used a plugin called RE Match from RE Vision, then doing the best i can to match the source with a bit of secondary colour correction.
I used the Trailers and T.V spots as source's, and where there was not a shot for the scene, I picked a similar environment.
It is a work in progress and just a proof of concept.

http://youtu.be/GFgcxiL_rd0

Whats interesting is it's adding in what many restorations try to correct a huge green tint! the 35mm screen shots (post 26), seem to back this up that this is so.
This video was corrected from a still frame, here is the prologue as I could match every frame.

http://youtu.be/4NMkwWUN1mY

The original Blu ray is clipped in the Dark and Light areas, so any correction is not going to be perfect.

Ive ordered the Ultimate Box-set for the IMAX scenes on Disc 6. it also contains a more recent documentary produced for this release and should contain clips from the TDK, which will be worth a look see.

Just a side note the clips look better (A lot more detail) on my P.C than playing on my PS3 (Crushed Blacks, to much contrast.) through the same T.V.

 Might wanna turn expanded color space and superwhite on on the ps3.

...I like it. A lot.

I'm totally pronouncing it like a bastardized "TMNT" (teenage mutant ninja turtles)

Was it really a digital master? I'm unfamiliar with how laserdisc were mastered.

Whats on the laserdisc is just representation of the composite video signal, so wouldnt the master just be that? (it could be digital, but wouldnt it be a digital representation of the analog video signal?)

Probably best if we move this discussion.

Seems a bit arbitrary, yes the gout was an analog master that was digitized. But this is film that was digitized. Granted there was no intermediary in this case.

Also I've noticed "digital" around here tends to bring up negative connotations.

Unless a truly better name is suggested, I think most people here are just gonna refer to them as the "negative 1 scans"

Harmy said:

Well many BDs come from the same master as their DVD counterparts but that doesn't mean they are the same thing - the resolution is the main difference between the two formats after all.

Like it or not, the policy is that if you want to download an HD restoration, you have to own the BDs and it makes sense because since the added resolution is the main value added for the BDs, acquiring the film in higher than DVD resolution some other way without also buying the official HD release is piracy. 

 In many places its legally piracy even if you do own them. So it becomes more of a moral issue. Which is much less black and white. In fact I could think of one or two reasons why buying the bluray is immoral. But that's a whole discussion on it's own.

That being said. If site ruled state something and the creator of said edit wishes it., you're best off just keeping it to yourself. 

Oh. eh fuck.Although i hope that only happened once or twice before realising this was not the way to go?

iirc they photochemically restored the film. So at the least the parts that were faded and didnt need recompositing got put back onto film. (since thats part of the color correction process. Afaik you cant actually "unfade" a print.) So any scenes with cgi additions but no composited elements are probably safe at the very least.

All I can say is that I hope one day I'll get to see the results of your hard work!

If only we could convince Disney heh.

Ya, it's too bad. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere.

I've heard many reports that the bluray of empire is very "soft". Much softer than it should've been. (like the scan was botched somehow)

If you do more of this, please post them. I just keep wanting more :P .

How do you guys feel about a releaes like this btw? Technicality the grainyness is part of the movie, since its an optical effect. But I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't like to see an entire release looking that good.

Ok, fair enough. Man that is impressive though!

Say what you want about film going digital etc. But it really does give you a lot of freedom in film restoration it would seem :P

edit: Btw are you working from the release everyone downloaded, or are you working with raw files sent to you?

edit: harmy already answered it

Harmy...you should just clean up the entire film like this :P

Harmy said:

While I'm waiting for more ROTJ 35mm footage, I decided to take Team N1's Grindhouse release and start experimenting with it for ESB v2.5 and here's the first result:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0dtCY1O9WXzcWI3YU5KUjRKOW8/view?usp=sharing

(In order to see the full quality, you have to download it, not just watch it in your browser.)

The cleanup is a bit too aggressive for the Team's project, of course, but it's exactly what I need to make it fit with the BD footage in Despecialized.

 I just literally shouted "holy shit" at my screen. Wow, it keeps amazing me what people can do with this stuff.

Who says I'm defending the bluray? I just see a lot of people bashing on it, and I'm just asking questions to try and figure out what the correct color timing should be.

The info you just posted is actually a great example of an argument I LIKE to hear, because its thought out and explains the process of making a film (Which I love to read about).

But about the negative, even if effects are cut in seperately. The negative stil isn't timed right? On top of that wouldn't generational loss cause a bit over overexposure? It's very obvious on star wars near the wipes sometimes.

Could be that they were keeping that in mind?

(edit: Unlikely though if thats not what it looks like on your super8 print)

Granted, in this case I agree it's most likely that the bluray took some liberties with these things. (I stil don't agree that as a whole the bluray is a bad release though)

That's fair enough. To be fair they said it was a new scan. That doesnt mean they had to have started it like 3 months before they said that. It could've been in the works for a while.

That being said, it doesnt mean the wowow colors are correct. What if they went for colors that were closer to other home media before they decided that no, they were going to make it more like the original release this time.

edit: when I say "correct" I mean, at least close to the original coloring. Since prints would've differed based on a number of circumstances, there will never be one 100% solid "correct" color timing.