jero32

litemakr said:

 on the blu-ray. It is kind of shocking how bad some of the shots are once you see how they are supposed to look and how much detail is lost.

 But...we dont KNOW what its supposed to look like. (In fact, with a lot of negative1's scans turning out so dark. I'm starting to think theatrical prints weren't very good at detailed blacks. It'd be nice if a guy with actual experience with this stuff could chime in on that.) That's kind of why we're posting screenshots of trailers and stuff isn't it?

Overexposure and such can all be used as an effect.

I agree its more gold (with some red so thats why its orange) tinted than blue/teal.

edit: about the wowow being a different master. I might be wrong, but didnt screenshot comparisons not match up exactly? Since film will move a bit in the scanner typically right? (So you'll never get a 100% identical scan, although it might be close) That suggests its a different scan.

Weird. Is it the same scan? Just with more color work done on one?

Mine was the one included on the ESB grindhouse release extras.

I noticed your trailer shot seems different from the one I'm using? (the one I'm using is from the grindhouse release "extras")

yours:
http://i.imgur.com/2Mw2Bhl.png

Mine:
http://i.imgur.com/iRSlB6n.jpg

The weird thing is that mine is closer to the bluray, and yours is closer to the dvd?

I made some comparison screenshots. Not all of them match the exact frames, but I think its close enough.

http://imgur.com/a/scLqM

edit: If someone could provide wowow screenies, that'd be great.

dvdmike said:

The trailer will not be fully timed

 Normally I'd agree, but isn't this for the rerelease? Wouldn't it make sense if that was made from some sort of timed print? (interpositive or whatever step along the way that would make sense)

From memory the jungle scenes look pretty close to the bluray, but I'd like to see a side by side comparison.

Harmy said:

This is from a heavily red-faded print and the colors have been partially corrected but trust me, I've seen what the print actually looks like and you just can't use it as a color reference, because half the color information is missing - this is why Hoth looks whiter here - most of the blue channel information is gone from the print.

 Combine this with the fact that poita has seen a reference print that isnt faded (iirc) and I'm willing to believe him over this any day.

RU.08 said:

I have put up a re-synced BD compatible version with Harmy's audios on demonoid for anyone that's interested. Not trying to reinvent the wheel, but a number of people reported playback problems, and of course I wanted a version with Harmy's audios. Team -1 is aware I've done this, they didn't seem to mind. It would of course be better to sync all the audios to their version rather than do what I did and sync the video, but that's a project for someone else I'm afraid!

 Does it fix the corruption right before the credits?

This release looks wonderful.

However I had some corruption right near the end when the Millenium Falcon takes off as well. But you guys seem to be aware of that issue.

All I can say is, I want more (star wars, jedi, color corrected/cleaned versions :P, all of it !) ^_^

I'd like to note that some of the star wars scans I've seen also seem to have very "oompa loompa orange" skintones.

Also keep in mind that a print photographed like that wont tell you everything, you need to keep the light source of the time (very warm) in mind.

PDB said:

That Blade Runner collection is fantastic but sadly, neither the 30th Anniversary nor the 5 disc collection have the right color timing for the US theatrical (and the international cut). Those top pics are from the 5 disc which has the same video as the 30th. The theatrical had a golden hue on its release prints. Its the same as Alien, they went back to the negative and didn't color time to a release print. Instead everything was given a cool blue color timing (the Final Cut was given a green hue like Alien, which is Scott's prerogative since its his Final Cut.)

It might make a fun future project. Those pics were just a test to see what a re-timing might look like. Back to work on Alien...

 I was under the impression that the "legacy" cuts of blade runner were sourced from interpositives?

edit: Turns out I had a misconception about interpositives, I thought they were already color timed, but it seems that they're merely USED to do the color timing.

"After a film is shot, the original negatives—taken directly from the camera equipment—are edited into correct sequence and printed onto fresh stock as a cohesive film, creating an interpositive print used for color timing. From the interpositive, answer prints, which include the color-corrected imagery and a properly synced sound track, are made. Once approved by the studio, the final answer print is made into an internegative used for striking copies that will be delivered to theaters for viewing."

So ya even if they scanned an interpositive, they'd stil need to color correct it properly if you want the theatrical colors.

edit2: Word of warning though, just because the laserdisc has a certain set of colors, does not mean those are correct either. Although in this case they'll most likely be more accurate than the blurays.

Looks too red in the bottom of the tank? Hard to say without a reference print. Maybe poita can chime in?

I did  quick color correction on the team negative 1 image
http://imgur.com/hh6JH9C

I think thats aproximately how it should look at least. (again it was quick and dirty)

TK-949 said:

Harmy said:

The original negative already has the effects composited

Oh, okay, I always thought that, when they scan the original negative, they would have to recomposit the effects anyway, which would result in a different version.

 That depends. You have the "elements" which are the individual bits straight out of the camera. (so negatives)

However when talking about the film's negative they usually mean the "master" copy so to speak. The piece of film that includes all those elements already composited together.

Heh, I kinda like the blue tint even if it's not supposed to be there :P

Can't wait to see a color corrected version of the top one though, atm it's too hard to make a lot of things out :(

Cool, looks good.

Any more shots of luke in the snow coming up? I really liked how it looked at the end of that clip :)

TV's Frink said:

jero32 said:

Well there's always the thing where downscaling usually creates much less artifacts than upscaling even if no extra detail is visible. (at least in my experience)

@Feallan

 If I've caught this JEDIT correctly, it made me laugh.

JEDIT: Er, I laughed either way, just not sure if what I laughed at actually happened.

 I added the @feallan

Well there's always the thing where downscaling usually creates much less artifacts than upscaling even if no extra detail is visible. (at least in my experience)

@Feallan

As I understand it.

The lightsabers seem recomposited, but it seems to be a different scan. The only way I can see this happening (as I understand it the '97 wasn't recomposited or at least not in the same way) is if they rescanned the original ELEMENTS and digitally recomposited those.

Either that or they made a new scan but rotoscoped in the new lightsabers? Seems like its more effort than its worth?

^^that sounds an aweful lot like the original cuts, but recomposited effects etc.

Tbh...I'm not even entirely mad or anything. I'd like to see the original effects, but at least I'll be able to watch these cuts without facepalming every 5 seconds.

^^the escape pod hatch was already mentioned iirc.

Eh, I doubt they'd just sit on the scan, as its already been paid for.

Fang Zei said:

Jaitea said:

Harmy said:

Well, over-all, I'd say it's good news, because the existing 2004 master was horrible, so even if it was the altered version, which we've now confirmed it almost certainly is, it's still good that there is a new better master. On the other hand, the fact, that they seem to have decided to restore/remaster the altered version doesn't exactly bode well for an official OOT restoration.

I think it does seem pretty likely, that this "restoration" was done in 2012 for the planned 3D release, for which the 2004 1080p master didn't cut it any more, so they hired these guys to do the 2004/2011 version over from new 4K scans.

 Yeah, I agree that it all stems from the preparation for the 3D version, & I'm happy that theres a superior clean version in the vaults

What theyre gonna do with it is the question though

J

This is kind of like when Jurassic Park got a new scan for its 3D conversion but the 2d transfer in the combo pack was still just the old blu-ray.

Speaking of which, I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of the 3D versions still happening. We probably just haven't heard anything in a while because of TPM 3D's mediocre box office and the change of plans following the Disney buy-out. I could also see them rolling out the last two prequels, even if it's a short run just to get them out of the way for the main course. RotS looks pretty three-dimensional already, so they'd have their work cut out for them.

But who knows, really. It seems like a given considering Ep7 will more than likely be converted to 3D. Then again, Disney might not want there to be backlash from rolling out the SE yet again. They might just focus on an OOT blu-ray to gain the fans' trust. Heck, maybe they'll do both.

Ultimately, they'll go with whatever option they think will make them the most money.

 I thought the 3D plans were officially cancelled?

digitalfreaknyc said:

Well, it's on right now... ;) Only 2 more hours to go...

 No cell phones in the theater jeez ;)

Harmy said:

The thing is, the post-'97 versions ('04 and '11) were never marketed as Special Edition or any specific version of the movies, so I can easily see a situation, where the people currently in charge of this new restoration aren't even aware of any of the subsequent changes and they think that by making a restoration of the 97SE, they are making a restoration of the "George Lucas approved director's cut" version, which they think is the same version seen on the '04 DVD and '11 BD.

 Considering how many people would have to be involved. (possibly including George Lucas being informed) That all probably LOVE film, and very likely Star Wars...I think it's a little doubtful that NO ONE on the team would raise this issue.

edit: Hell they'd have to go actually physically get the negatives at Lucasfilms for scanning...someone at lucasfilms would raise the issue.

Guys lets get back on track here.

So it would appear Disney(?) did in fact make a new scan of the '97 print.(based on info so far) I'm really hoping that means they plan on doing a restoration on the OOT.

I really don't see them doing the '97 SE and not the oot though.