imperialscum

DominicCobb said:

Worst: Return of the Jedi 2004 SE

This. It is safe to say it was the low point of his career.

Harmy said:

imperialscum said:

http://news.moviefone.com/2014/04/25/william-friedkin-exorcist-curse-interview/

So this guy talks about 35mm that is idealised by so many fans around here. I completely agree with him.

I just came back from a 35mm screening of Slumdog Millionaire (I know, a bit ironic considering that the film was shot digitally) and it was the best quality of projection I've seen in years - sure, there were some scratches on the ends of the reels and the sound crackled a bit sometimes but the colors were gorgeous and there was no stupid raster like there always was on all digital projections I've ever seen (last film I saw before this was a digital projection of How to Train Your Dragon 2 and the raster of the projection was so horribly distracting, it took away most of the visual impact of this otherwise pretty great flick for me). It'd been so long since I'd last seen a 35mm print, I was actually pretty surprised how little grain there was visible in the projection too.

Well I wasn't aiming at the screen projection aspects. I was aiming at the process of capturing and containing the colours. When you put it in RGB it will stay the same forever.

Anyway since you mentioned screen projection, I hate it. No matter how good the equipment is, the colours are bad compared to modern LED displays (at least to me). That is why I don't go to film theatres lately.

http://news.moviefone.com/2014/04/25/william-friedkin-exorcist-curse-interview/

So this guy talks about 35mm that is idealised by so many fans around here. I completely agree with him.

TV's Frink said:

Except your opinion is the mayor of Crazytown.

Sounds like a respectable position.

I hate cloudy weather. There is nothing more beautiful than a clear blue sky with perhaps a few white clouds to make some nice contrast.

TV's Frink said:

imperialscum said:

Cobra Kai said:

That's why it's always funny to me when I hear some SE apologist make the argument that "only a small percentage of fans would buy it, most people are happy with the current release, etc."

People who say that should not be qualified as "SE apologist". I could be considered a SE apologist since I think 1997 SE did improve the films.

Yes, Han shooting first definitely improved Star Wars.  Han's character now makes so much more sense.

The new Jabba scene was breathtaking AND critical.

Thank god for the new Praxis effect explosions.

I was super confused by the original opening of ESB, luckily now we can see the full Wampa, so I get it now.

Luke's scream as he jumps off the Cloud City platform definitely improved his character.

Darth Vader landing in the Star Destroyer at the end of ESB fixes a glaring problem with the original, namely what was he doing at that point in the film?

Jedi Rocks is the single biggest improvement in any film ever.

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No question, the 1997 SE definitely improves the flawed originals.

The only two that I don't like are Greedo shooting and Luke screaming. Conditionally I don't like Jedi Rocks too... I said conditionally because the original scene was just as weird/embarrassing.

On the other hand, there are numerous visual and sound/music improvements. Especially for Tatooine scenes in IV (for example Obi-Wan's house and sandcrawler scenes). Yes some additional scenes may not be strictly essential to the story but I like to have them.

And then there is new celebration song in ROTJ which alone is enough to make me prefer 1997 version of ROTJ.

Anyway, there is really nothing to argue about here because it is purely opinion based.

Tobar said:

I have no problem with Jedi in the Dark Times era. What I take issue with is that it's supposed to be Vader's job to hunt down and destroy the Jedi. Not these dark suited weirdos.

Exactly. I hate these stupid force-sensitive enforcers (Starkiller, this Inquisitor). Why the hell can't they just make a series or a video game about Vader hunting down the Jedi?

pittrek said:

Don't these guys realize that in the timeline where this series takes place there are no Jedi except Kenobi and Yoda? And nobody else with a ligthsabre? :-(

They realise that... but they also realise that kids like lightsabres which outweighs it.

Cobra Kai said:

That's why it's always funny to me when I hear some SE apologist make the argument that "only a small percentage of fans would buy it, most people are happy with the current release, etc."

People who say that should not be qualified as "SE apologist". I could be considered a SE apologist since I think 1997 SE did improve the films. However I still support the effort to restore and release OOT in good format.

Objecting and arguing against the release of OOT in good format does not classify as defending the SE... it is something completely different. It is defending Lucas in his effort to prevent restoration of OOT and trying to erase it from the history.

jero32 said:

Pretty much the only people who'd win are the select few who specifically like the '97 version.

I am one of them. :)

darklordoftech said:

Beatleboy99 said:

I'd still rather watch the 97 SE than the 2004 and 2011 versions

Same here. No Christensen + Vader not saying "no" goes a long way.

Well 1997 SE doesn't have any PT parasites.

bttfbrasilfan said:

Definitely this new transfer looks much better than the 2011 BD. Finnaly some decent colors!

For example:

(Check the BD, these colors are missing/muted.)


http://i.imgur.com/CylRno6.jpg?1

Well the colours in the marked areas are distorted mainly because of the lower resolution of the upper video. It is not due to any technical improvement. They downgraded the scans to fit LD capacity for 1997 release.

Perhaps this would indicate they are working with the scans done for the purpose of 1997 SE.

doubleofive said:

So this change:



1997 or 2004? I just noticed I don't have it labelled.

I hate this change. I hate the cloudy sky.

I would say I prefer model based SFX. But I really couldn't care less about how the SFX is made. I am more worried about visual design of objects and environment rather than how it is then realised.

If the storyline and characters are appealing then I will like it whether it is a video game, book or film.

:D

LexX said:

imperialscum said:

LexX said:

Yeah, I've noticed it too. The sounds are more baby-like and cuter sounding, not so much like a robot (or droid in this case). I'd like to know any explanation for that. Probably kid-friendlyness, though.

Of course, because the beeping in ANH and ESB sounds extremely serious, dark and adult-like. Don't be ridiculous...

 Yeah, that's the only other option...

In SW both R2 and 3PO sounded/behaved much more like actual robots/machines. 3PO was made a little more comic relief in TESB (not in a silly way like PT) and both even more in ROTJ (probably for kid-friendlyness like many changes in tone).

I thought it was common knowledge (in a SW forum at least) that R2's beeps were mixed from electronic sounds and Burtt doing baby voices -> ROTJ more baby, less electronical/robot-like.

Don't be ridicilous.

Generally I find the notion of ROTJ being "kid-friendly" ludicrous. There is very little kid-friendly stuff in it. Even Ewoks aren't really kid-friendly (aside from the looks maybe... but then again I find Wampa much cuter than Ewoks). Almost being roasted alive is quite the most disturbing potential death Luke and Han faced throughout the entire trilogy.

LexX said:

Yeah, I've noticed it too. The sounds are more baby-like and cuter sounding, not so much like a robot (or droid in this case). I'd like to know any explanation for that. Probably kid-friendlyness, though.

Of course, because the beeping in ANH and ESB sounds extremely serious, dark and adult-like. Don't be ridiculous...

Nothing really irritates me in PT because I simply don't care about PT.

Anchorhead said:

I'd be completely ok with that.  If James Bond, Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty, Doctor Who, Marshal Cogburn, and Batman can be so expertly recast - so can Luke, Han, And Leia.

I wouldn't like that at all. If nothing else, there is enough space within SW universe to make films about new characters.

Well I guess it depends on why you play a game. I certainly don't play PC games to socialise. I have real life for that.

Playing storyline games is equivalent to reading a book or watching a film. These things I enjoy. In that respect, interaction with other players is highly undesirable and distracting since it pollutes the experience.

Tobar said:

Ô_o It was an MMO. A damn good one too.

The problem was that they decided to set the game inbetween ANH and ESB. A time period that is supposed to be devoid of Jedi.

As I said, the main problem was that it was primarily a MMO. The whole basic concept of MMO is stupid and boring. Levelling through repetition of the same boring stuff (so called "grinding") and acquiring gear through repeating same PVE content over and over again. I honestly don't know how can anyone enjoy that.

The only type of games that attract me are storyline focused games. SWG had literally no storyline content, not to mention voice acting. Just setting it in a different period would not change anything.

The only solution would be to shift the priority to storyline content and push the MMO content in the secondary position. That is, extensive storyline content with proper voice acting etc. (like in SWTOR).

Tyrphanax said:

Tobar said:

Tyrphanax said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Ah, but you can't have thousands of Sith with thousands of red lightsabers running around in a PT/OT setting, can you? That pesky Rule of Two gets in the way.

SWG didn't seem to have a problem with it.

Though they should have just forgone Jedi as a class altogether.

 SWG would have been perfect if set post-ROTJ. That way you could have your stupid Jedi class and even be trained by Master Skywalker himself. But nooooooo, we need the Emperor, Vader and Jabba alive!

I agree. So many great storylines they could have used.

Ah well.

Well SWG was basically a MMO (in my book MMO=bad btw). Storyline certainly wasn't a priority... I might even say it did not really have any serious storyline.

So having it set in post-ROTJ in the same framework wouldn't have any benefits as far as I concerned. On the other hand, if they used SWTOR framework, which is basically storyline focused and MMO crap being secondary, it would indeed have a great potential.

darklordoftech said:

I don't want to see a Revan movie. Canonizing anything about playable video game characters never ends well.

Well I would love to see KOTOR adaptation. For me, KOTOR was what PT should have been.

DuracellEnergizer said:

mfastx said:

I'm not sure why everyone is talking about CGI.

Perhaps because a lot of people here don't like large amounts of CGI in live-action films, especially when those movies are follow-ups to earlier films which didn't use any/much CGI.

Arguably OT had as much CGI as it was available at the time. It wasn't that they refused to use it...

1. He interrogated her of course with the torture droid.

2. Well Ewoks were more or less a distraction in ROTJ.

3. Vader died because Emperor damaged his respiratory equipment with force lightning.