Disney is the only one making them and if they make shitty ones people end up without Star Wars.
That’s not true at all. I haven’t been crazy about Disney’s Starwars output, but I still have Star Wars.
Let me rephrase that: “Disney is the only one making them and if they make shitty ones people who want new Star Wars end up with shitty new Star Wars.”
Why isn’t it enough to just not watch it if you don’t like it? Why wish it didn’t exist so even those that enjoy it can’t watch it?
If five different studios were making one Star Wars film per year each and therefore facilitate variety and alternatives, I would agree with your sentiment. However, this is not the case. Disney is the only one making them and if they make shitty ones people end up without Star Wars. I can understand why people who like Star Wars get upset when they make shitty films.
(“art” is useless adjective as any non-documentary film is basically art film).
Only if you’re using the term wrong.
I used the term correctly. Trying to use “art film” to describe exclusively non-mainstream films is stupid because the fact is that (non-documentary) mainstream films are art films too.
Since I wasn’t around when TFA came out (and to possibly re-rail this thread a bit), I mostly enjoyed TFA, rehashes and all (and I say that as someone who’s very critical of ROTJ for its rehashiness).
It was a necessary palate cleanser after the dumpster fires of the prequels, introduced two protagonists I already have a lot of interest and investment in (Rey and Poe) and an antagonist that is compelling and frightening due to how unstable and unsure of himself he is (Kylo), and set the stage for something truly fresh and unique to come after.
It’s not perfect, of course. For one, I hate Starkiller Base and think the movie should have ended with Rey imprisoned on Kylo’s Star Destroyer, with the rescue attempt happening amid a battle between the New Republic fleet (which would have been decimated) and the First Order as they staged a surprise orbital bombardment of the New Republic capitol rather than on a snow planet that for some reason is a hyperspace Death Star. For two, the actual politics of the Resistance/Republic/First Order were woefully underestablished (or not established at all). For three, I thought Finn was poorly handled - a defecting stormtrooper shouldn’t be a bumbling comic relief character.
But overall? Better than any of the prequels, and better than ROTJ.
What you say are dumpster fires (ok episode 1 and 2 are bad lol) I enjoy more than this new family friendly disney mainstream film made entirely just for the box office
Are you implying the prequels and OT are indie art films? Lucas likes making money too!
Well technically he did make independent films (“art” is useless adjective as any non-documentary film is basically art film). How much money they make does not really change that.
I really do not want to see another Youjinbou or Seven Samurai remake.
No problem. If it turns out to be that, you can just avoid your local multiplex.
Can you outline what kinda storyline you would want to see?
As I said, new storylines that involve new characters and explore new aspects. There are many interesting aspects that have not been explored yet within the established universe. For example, a story from the Empire’s perspective is just one of many. The options here are almost limitless. This could all be done within the OT timeline if they want to play it safe. So far R1 has been the only thing remotely new.
I really do not want to see another Youjinbou or Seven Samurai remake.
Well that was a good couple of months without ImpScum.
I guess somebody’s gotta take up the slack now that Darth Idiostuperific is gone.
I stayed strictly on-topic while you guys were making off-topic provocations. Besides your post, here are the other two instances:
TV’s Frink said
darth_ender said
Still waiting for that “standalone” Star Wars film to be announced.
I think we will be waiting for a while.
I think we’ll see that “standalone” movie sooner than we see something useful posted from your keyboard.
Well not anyone can find sophisticated things useful.
Still waiting for that “standalone” Star Wars film to be announced.
You know, the one that doesn’t completely rely on my foreknowledge of the other Star Wars films in order to be coherent.
Ah, yes! From a business standpoint, I want to drop 4 billion on a franchise so I can make movies that are very remotely related and will alienate multiple elements from a fanbase and ensure my investment does not pay off. Sounds like a great idea!
From a fan standpoint, I want to watch a series of movies that supposedly take place in the same universe as another series of movies, but without any references, nods, characters, or elements from the previously established series. That’s the sort of thing that helps me connect it to the films I already love! Sounds like a great idea!
There is plenty of time to explore tangentially-related elements. For now, we can enjoy a little bit of something we can already relate to and have already grown to love.
You completely missed the point. No one says they should throw all Star Wars elements away. They should indeed stay within the Star Wars universe, but I want to see some new stories and characters. I do not want them to rehash stories/elements and parasitise OT characters.
Still waiting for that “standalone” Star Wars film to be announced.
I think we will be waiting for a while.
Another bad news.
Hope there is a live stream and plenty of Original Unaltered Trilogy talk.
I wonder if they will show the movie?
If George is coming, I doubt it would be unaltered. I can imagine them playing an SE, and loudly voicing their disapproval at the many of the changes, all with George in the room with them to hear their hatred for his destruction of their work. Maybe then something would finally click in his head.
I doubt many would do that. I would assume that for most of them, it was just a job.
That’s cool. At least this one is imaginative.
Ah another statement requiring decoding.
What Fo said should be pretty clear for a person with a normal level of intelligence. If you require to decode something like that, I am sorry.
I do think “saved in the editing room” is a bit of a misnomer for Star Wars. That would imply the film was a massive turd to begin with. Most movies start the editing process in a mess (rough 4 hour or so assemblies and such). The things that made Star Wars pop during post-production (trim editing, music, vfx, sfx) are all things that are essential in any film production. Was the editing on Star Wars more extensive than on most films? Sure, considering Lucas was so displeased with Jympson’s cut of the film that he took him off it entirely, but late in the game so he had to replace him with 4 different editors working simultaneously (including himself). But what they ultimately came up with was simply what the film needed to be. “Saved” implies they turned into something completely different, which wasn’t really the case.
Point being, I think “came together in the editing room” is probably the better way to put it than “saved.” And of course, in regards to the thread topic, this was all overseen by Lucas so I don’t think the credit can be taken away there. As with the other elements of the film’s production, the key to the success wasn’t just him or just other people, it was the collaboration.
This.
I would say that “came together in the editing room” applies for just about any film.
That is the way I would prefer it. No beating around the bush.
any work needed to be done would be peanuts.
Another re-release of SE requires basically no work. It would probably sell the same or even better than OOT.
I find the whole Academy Award thing completely useless. Who cares about something irrelevant as Academy Awards. The only important thing is the current and future audience, for which these films should be preserved.
If you had won one and then had the reason you won it for erased you might feel differently.
Disney / Fox won’t care though. A lot of what I have read here is based off of emotion and nostalgia, not reason and fact. The distributor does not care about how you feel AT ALL. How do I know this? I am a home video distributor, albeit a small cult one. When I restore a film, I do it out of personal love, not because fan encouragement, though it can be a factor.
On a corporate level, you will seldom find this. They restore films because there is a market. While there IS a market for the ORIGINAL Original Trilogy, it’s not a big one. This may not seem to be the case, but I firmly believe it’s true. The Blu-rays still sold heaps, and they were some of the worst transfers to ever hit the medium (namely TPM and ESB). They are certainly not losing money by releasing the Special Editions, are they?
They could potentially lose money by releasing the originals though (unless paired with the SEs), and that’s probably what has kept them from doing so lately – not because of Lucas. They hear the fans, but it’s not their priority as it’s not a big money-maker right now. Additionally, it’s a lot of time and money to be put towards “unfinished” films. I hate to say it, but it seems to be the case.
My two cents.
Exactly. People here tend to be unrealistic when they estimate OOT market. Like you said, why would they put any effort when they can just re-release SE and get the same (or even better) effect. Even people around here are still buying every SE they release.
And like I said many times, when you are making billions with something, you do not care about something that might make a few millions.
What about the separation masters, or the technicolor prints ?
Well better than regular film but his expectation of “100% unaltered” is still impossible.
It is possible to restore the film to its 100% unaltered form.
It is impossible. The colours were altered, not by Lucas but by decay. There is not way to know 100% exactly how they were as they were captured.
I find the whole Academy Award thing completely useless. Who cares about something irrelevant as Academy Awards. The only important thing is the current and future audience, for which these films should be preserved.
If you had won one and then had the reason you won it for erased you might feel differently.
First, in general I think Academy Awards are irrelevant crap.
Second, I feel that the audience is far more important than the creators. If someone winning some worthless award was the main reason to release the originals, I would not care one bit. But since it comes to preserving the art for current and future generations, it is a completely different story.
I find the whole Academy Award thing completely useless. Who cares about something irrelevant as Academy Awards. The only important thing is the current and future audience, for which these films should be preserved.
“Today is the 40th Anniversary of Star Wars something unforgettable we remember” (next Paragrapgh)
If you remove the rest of first paragraph, it just makes it ambiguous and unclear. It would be another stupid blunder like the last time that reporter asked Kennedy. That kind of ambiguous crap is perfect for LFL because it makes it really easy for them to dodge it.
To be honest, I would prefer something really short, clear and direct like: “What is LFL current position on unaltered theatrical version of Original Trilogy (77, 80, 83)? Are there any plans for releasing it in HD?”. Maybe keeping the first paragraph just for introduction.
But the people who we are addressing were alive back then. Those should be the focus of the letter.
Like I said, that would make it look like you are doing it for a specific group of people who will eventually be gone. They might even say: “Why would we even bother doing it for a few old-timers?”. The focus should be on preservation for everyone now and future generations.
