imperialscum

TV’s Frink said:

Yeah, we noticed.

Hey, no team posting!

Scott109 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Scott109 said:
I scoff at the notion that Jabba the Hutt would be immune to Jedi mind tricks

Obi-Wan said that mind tricks only worked on the weak minded.

Did Jabba the Hutt seem particularly strong-minded to you? He was a stupid ogre.

Well you don’t become a crime lord (or last as one) by being stupid, that is for sure.

If I hate a film, it just isn’t great.

If they really need force ghost of Anakin or Obi-Wan, they should just use CGI with appearance of Shaw or Guinness.

1.ANH
2.ESB
3.ROTJ
4.ANH
5.ESB
6.ROTJ

Scott109 said:
What is wrong with Attack of the Clones?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nembr1ZeRc8

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

The PT is proof that directing actors is just as important as everything else.

It is important but not nearly as important as the elements I mentioned. There are plenty of films that have rather average acting but are great because of the idea/story/screenplay (for example Terminator and Predator).

There are movies where the reverse is true.

I honestly couldn’t think of any but I would like to hear your examples. I my opinion great acting alone just cannot make a film, with average idea/story/screenplay, great. While there are countless more examples I can give for the reverse case.

You probably watch too much sci-fi/fantasy.

I am not really into fantasy but sci-fi is definitly my favourite genre (Star Wars OT, Alien and Blade Runner are my favourite films). However, I very selective even when it comes for sci-fi (not really into Star Trek). On the other hand, there are films I love from other genres (for example crime/detective films like LA Confidential, Chinatown and Casino) but again I am very selective.

Canada will take no responsibility here.

Finnius said:

they produced Justin Bieber (nuff said).

As a consul of Canada on these forums, I must argue that Canada only provided a powerful platform (Bieber), while US used that platform to do horrible things (making him do horrible modern US pop music). Since Canadians are an exceptional material they will exceed at anything. And since modern US pop is all about how horrible music you can make, of course a Canadian can beat Americans at their own game.

Dek Rollins said:

Just out of curiosity, where does this come from. I’m not saying I don’t believe you, but a link to something or a “from [insert source]” would be nice.

The Making of Star Wars, the Empire Strikes Back: The Definitive Story - J.W. Rinzler

Dek Rollins said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

And since the author of Secret History is still a member of this forum last time I checked, tone down the nasty?

It is my honest opinion of the style/tone the book is written in.

Style and tone doesn’t make the content false.

Though it does make it strongly questionable. And since some content contradicts the content of some other (in my opinion more reliable) sources, it seals the deal for me.

SilverWook said:

And since the author of Secret History is still a member of this forum last time I checked, tone down the nasty?

It is my honest opinion of the style/tone the book is written in.

Dek Rollins said:

But GL didn’t hardly have to do with Empire at all other than the idea and the early draft. His draft was revised, then that revision was rewritten several times by several people. Lucas was like, standing to the side of the helm, looking at something else.

I will reply to this as the “source” you provided did not support any of this.

Regarding screenplay, after Lucas wrote the story outline he hired Brackett to write a screenplay based on it. She finished the her draft of screenplay days before she died (she was terminally ill while writing it). Lucas was unsatisfied with the screenplay and basically had to discard it. He then wrote his own draft from scratch (while also making some storyline changes). He then hired Kasdan (who he impressed him with Raiders’ screenplay) to improve upon it. When it comes to scenes Lucas draft is pretty much what ended up in the film. However, Kasdan significantly improved the dialogue (they had several meeting to discuss things). Lucas withheld his draft from the WGA in order to ensure Brackett would get a screenplay credit, otherwise most likely Lucas and Kasdan would get the screenplay credit.

Regarding conceptual art and visual design, Lucas directly worked with McQuarrie and Johnston, who visualised his ideas.

As for principal photography, it is only reasonable that Lucas came to the set only few times. He hired Kershner to direct the principal photography so he could do other things in the meantime. If he wanted to be on the set on daily basis he could direct actors himself.

Regarding budget increase, Kershner was working slowly (many takes, forced actor to improvise scene instead of giving exact directions). The film went over-budget and over-schedule. Principal photography on ESB lasted six months compared to three months on ANH and ROTJ. So I would say this alone can be the reason for better acting in ESB as huge amount of time was spent on it.

As for editing, Lucas pretty much worked on the final cut with Hirsch (Editor) in the post-production in a normal fashion.

So I would say Lucas was creative director behind the film.

Dek Rollins said:

For all you claiming I made up the source on my claim, this article speaks of it, for starters:

http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/marcialucas.html

Here’s an excerpt:
“Lucas wasn’t interested in making Star Wars films so he stayed home in California while Kershner directed it in England. It was much more logistically complicated than anyone had anticipated, and ended up weeks over schedule and millions of dollars over budget. Lucas flew to England a few times, but otherwise watched the picture disintegrate from a distance, horrified as he saw his investment go to waste. He re-edited the film out of desperation but it was a disaster, and Kershner had to re-cut it…”

Lots of stuff in Secret History is a bullshit. Just by looking at the amateurish style and laughably subjective anti-Lucas tone in which it is written should make a sanse person realise the book is ridiculous. I mean the short text you provided already gives you a good idea about that.

If you want a good objective documentary-standard source, go read Making of books by Rinzler.

Frank your Majesty said:

The problem is not that Anakin isn’t realistically portrayed as a jerk, it’s that he acts like a jerk at all. He’s supposed to be one of the main characters, in the OT he was described as a great man and a good friend, we should be relating to him and care for him

I was about to make a post but I guess I don’t need to.

What I would add is that this kind of fundamental annoying crap is the real deal breaker when it comes to PT. Bad acting or dialogue are mere mild annoyances.

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

The PT is proof that directing actors is just as important as everything else.

It is important but not nearly as important as the elements I mentioned. There are plenty of films that have rather average acting but are great because of the idea/story/screenplay (for example Terminator and Predator).

There are movies where the reverse is true.

I honestly couldn’t think of any but I would like to hear your examples. I my opinion great acting alone just cannot make a film, with average idea/story/screenplay, great. While there are countless more examples I can give for the reverse case.

Neglify said:

Dek Rollins said:

But GL didn’t hardly have to do with Empire at all other than the idea and the early draft. His draft was revised, then that revision was rewritten several times by several people. Lucas was like, standing to the side of the helm, looking at something else.

Quote a source for this.

Obviously he has no idea about the subject, let alone a source.

TV’s Frink said:

The PT is proof that directing actors is just as important as everything else.

It is important but not nearly as important as the elements I mentioned. There are plenty of films that have rather average acting but are great because of the idea/story/screenplay (for example Terminator and Predator).

And besides, it is not like PT’s only problem (or main one for that matter) is bad acting. It also has bad ideas, storyline, characters and dialogue.

Dek Rollins said:

imperialscum said:

while Lucas was creative director behind the film.

Well, he wasn’t very involved with the film during production, so I wouldn’t really say creative director.

Well if by production you mean principal photography then you are right. After all that is when actors are directed and scenes are recorded, which was what Kershner was hired for. However, when it comes to creatively most important elements such as story, main ideas, screenplay, working with visual artists (McQuarrie and Johnston), etc., it was pretty much Lucas at the helm.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

I can’t stand Hayden Christensen.

Name one movie other than a Star Wars movie you’ve seen him in.

when you’ve seen him in the Pt, you’ve seen enough of him.

PT is not just enough of him. It is an overdose of him.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Also, I’m guessing that most Star Wars fans dislike Robocop 2 even though it is directed by Irvin Kershner.

Well pretty much all films directed by Kershner are either bad or average at best. The exception is ESB, where he was mainly actor director while Lucas was creative director behind the film.

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

What the heck is film zero?

Star Wars. It doesn’t have an episode number. I guess (null) would have been better.

Now that is a whole new level of hipster.

I am not sure I like Star Trek.

No word is inherently offensive. It is completerly up to you if you want to get offended or not. For example, I am too condescending to be able to get offended by anyone.

Possessed said:

Well, I will admit that I’m so used to people using “twat” as just an insult to mean stupid or annoying, that I actually had forgotten it was originally meant to imply a body part, or else I would have chosen something else.

It is okay. I forgive you this time.