From what I’ve heard Looper is a very interesting movie so if anything we should be getting a “radical” film.
What a naive thinking. It will be Disney/LF who will specify what kind of film it will be.
I would actually put tpm above tfa.
They are both bad but at least TPM is super creative compared to TFA.
It’s all about narrative. After you’ve been doing heavy lifting with Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, the droids, and all their friends and allies for a couple of hours (even the ewoks), and they’re ready for a final celebration and goodbye, you don’t tell them to hold on and wait a few minutes, because you need to wander around the galaxy and peek behind the curtain and see what these other planets are up to who weren’t even in the rest of the movie.
That doesn’t even touch on the fact that some place like Coruscant, for example, is not going to be celebrating the destruction of its own military forces.
Return of the Jedi is the characters’ story. The ones who actually appeared in the movie. It’s not George Lucas and the universe of Star Wars story. We don’t stop the movie so we can devote pointless camera time to random creatures that pop out of walls but have nothing to do with the story. We don’t fly off to fifteen different planets and subtitle each one of them just so we can make new Wookiepedia entries and masturbate to them in our sleep.
We just don’t do those things. We stay with our characters and our intimate setting and that’s the story.
While characters are one of the most important elements of the story, they are not the sole element of the story. One of the major elements of the trilogy is fighting the tyranny of the Empire. The celebration/uprising scenes do not show just some random planets. In addition to the capital planet, which has strong symbolic value in this aspect, the scenes show us very familiar places like Tatooine and Bespin, both of which were occupied by the Empire during the story of ANH and ESB.
Because it’s showing the galaxy celebrating the destruction of the death star.
Which is stupid if you consider the Empire giving up the ghost just 'cause Palps is gone a stupid idea.
The only thing stupid here is to assume that the Empire has given up. Showing spontaneous celebrations/uprisings when people heard Emperor was dead do not indicate in any way that Empire has given up. Killing Emperor and his successor in a system where all the power is concentrated in one man would certainly cause enough confusion for such uprisings to be possible (at least until they crack them down). It is not the first uprising in history that has been eventually cracked down.
TFA is as bad as PT.
It is white in the middle, which can basically mean it contains all colours.
Neither. It’s azure (if you stick with the OT).
Azure is basically desaturated cyan…
I sometimes watch the SE’s too.
Why?
It’s refreshing to watch them every once in a while.
Why?
'Cause watching a dire piece of shit really puts things in perspective and allows you to appreciate good movies all the more.
I guess this explains watching the prequels as well.
And TFA.
If it turns out great
That is impossible when you have a trilogy and you are forced to continue the crap established by previous instalment. TFA is currently sewers. EP8 may climb out of the sewers but the starting point will be sewers. If EP8 takes the effort to climb out the sewers, at least EP9 will have a decent starting point. Nevertheless, it will still smell.
you can’t even compare tfa to anything in the OT
Then were does your argument for it being nothing but a shitty rehash come from if you’re not allowed to compare them? /ˢ
I think it was pretty obvious he meant in terms of quality…
I’m also pondering if it’s okay for people to shit on the OT because of ROTJ…I am extremely incredulous that you would be okay with that. Given your hypocrisy and all.
ROTJ was great while TFA was utter crap. That is a big difference.
ROTJ was good but it was NOTHING in comparison to SW and ESB. TFA is really good imo but it could be garbage in comparison to VIII and IX. So regardless of how you were to phrase it there is still a huge gap in quality depending on your position. For the people who dislike ROTJ could they judge the entirety of the trilogy based on 1 installment?
Yes because even if they judged OT based on ROTJ it would be great. If they judge new trilogy based on TFA, it would be crap.
I’m also pondering if it’s okay for people to shit on the OT because of ROTJ…I am extremely incredulous that you would be okay with that. Given your hypocrisy and all.
ROTJ was great while TFA was utter crap. That is a big difference.
TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. Even if I put the rehash aside, the characters made in TFA are quite boring and unlike-able. There is simply nothing for me to look forward to in new trilogy.
So essentially regardless of merit you’re going to trash the rest of the ST because you didn’t like TFA? Sounds fairly reasonable in 2017.
I did not particularly like any of the characters in TFA. I do not think they will all just disappear in the sequel.
TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. >
Does that mean you’ll stay out of this thread? 😉
I did so for the most part already. Nevertheless, even if I do not go see it I might be interested whether they will “put out the fire” caused by TFA and try their best to make something new or will they rehash even further.
TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. Even if I put the rehash aside, the characters made in TFA are quite boring and unlike-able. There is simply nothing for me to look forward to in new trilogy.
Luckily they are making these spin-offs quite regularly so there is still something left.
Yeah but that’s not specific to California.
Then you should put “exclusively bad” in the question. In any case it will be very hard to find anything that is exclusively bad.
Obviously people are going to complain rehash if he’s redeemed but that’s a pretty silly and arbitrary way of dismissing a potentially fitting end to his storyline.
We have all seen OT so we already know it is a fitting end of the storyline they are rehashing.
unlike me, you are incapable of admitting when you are wrong.
Unlike you, I am not wrong. We will only be able to know that if I am ever wrong.
I actually thought Frink was referring to DE and his “hermaphrodite porn parody” comment when he said “terribly unfunny”.
It must be hard for you to be wrong so often when you pretend to be always right.
Technically you did not specify who you were referring to. Since DE is in truth terribly unfunny, it was natural to assume you meant him.
I actually thought Frink was referring to DE and his “hermaphrodite porn parody” comment when he said “terribly unfunny”. That is why I said it is his (DE’s) usual style.
What I think most likely happened is that you grew up on the 97 SE, and you liked parts of the movies and disliked other parts, independent of any other version.
The parts you disliked like Jedi Rocks you quickly accepted as inferior and were eager to replace them in your “perfect version”, but the parts you never had a problem with or enjoyed, like Victory Celebration, remain your preference over the original theatrical releases.
This can be the only explanation for your defense of things like “Alert my Star Destroyer” and nonsense Coruscant edits into the original films.
Victory Celebration is clearly inferior; regardless of one’s subjective musical taste, including shots of different worlds that aren’t even in the movie makes it a terrible edit.
What actually happened is that I had known both versions impartialy and on equal terms, and I could objectively compare the two.
Regarding “Alert my Star Destroyer”, I do not think it is intrinsically good, it is just that the original line was extremely bad.
When it comes to celebration song, it is by far superior to yub nub. That is simply the truth.
Guardians of the phallusy
What’s that? Some hermaphrodite porn parody?
It’s a terribly unfunny and not-even-related-to-Star-Wars attempt at a joke tangentially related to the thread.
Well that is his usual style.
Although I had probably seen OOT sometime before (without remembering much), I essentially grew up with 1997 SE. Nevertheless, I can point out what changes are good and what are awful. There are certainly awful ones (Jedi Rocks, etc.), but celebration song change in ROTJ is by far superior to original.
My favorite is the 97 SE ending. Sebastian Shaw as Anakin with Victory Celebration music.
This.
This film was intrinsically bad idea.
IMPSCUM COMES FROM THE FUTURE TO WARN US OF BAD MOVIES
UNLESS YOURE THE ACTUAL TVS FRINK COMPUTER YOURE STEALING MY BIT
Which one?