darklordoftech said:
About "the start of the Rebel Alliance", Pablo Hidalgo said, "The TFU version isn't canon." You have no idea how happy that makes me!
I just fail to understand how can people allow themselves to be dictated by others. For me TFU was never canon. I couldn't care less about LF designations.
The change only indicates Han being an idiot for letting Greedo shot.
TV's Frink said:
Nope, sorry, the Greedo change was beyond terrible and anyone who disagrees should just spend their time at nooriginalgreedo.com rather than come here anymore.
I don't like Greedo change. It is just that I am able to put up with it, unlike PT related changes from 2004 and 2011.
msycamore said:
CatBus said:
Although frankly I do have to agree with Frink. If you're already on board with the film alteration train for the first fifty miles, I honestly can't see how you can very well complain about another inch and a half.
Frinkly I do have to agree with Frank as well. Seriously though, I think it may be that the bastardized versions were what some were first introduced to, so that is Star Wars to them. They didn't meet the natural good looking girl, they only met her when she had already gotten breast implants and silicone lips.
Well some of you just don't understand the concept of common sense. I judge for myself what suits me the best. Just because some of you are unable of any analogous view when it come to Star Wars, it doesn't mean the rest of us should follow your discrete way of thinking. I get it, you don't like the re-releases. But don't go telling the rest of us that all changes are the same and equally bad. Everyone will make their own judgement, thank you.
msycamore said:
Well, I respect your opinion but it seems to me you're only seeing the reasoning behind the changes being different because you don't like the prequels and because the '97 Special Edtions happens to be your favorite versions.
Well of course. I did not claim anything beyond that.
TV's Frink said:
You guys can live with the Greedo change? Go sell that crazy somewhere else.
Has anyone died from it yet?
GlastoEls said:
But it's still the GOUT for me. The straw was the loss of Sebastian Shaw in Jedi.
Ghost scene change came in 2004. In 1997 Sebastian Shaw is still the ghost.
msycamore said:
imperialscum said:
1997 - an honest attempt to improve the films
2004 - chance to include his prequel parasites into OT
2011 - he was simply trolling the fans
I guess some would also describe the prequels being an honest attempt telling a backstory to the original trilogy. What makes the 1997 SE any more honest than the two video edits that followed? IMO there wasn't anything honest about it. In fact, most of it was just R&D and an experiment for ILM in preparation for the prequels. An experiment and a fun little 20th anniversary for the fans which have now sadly replaced the historical films. A butchering and bastardization of a beloved classic is how I would describe it.
The modern "filmmaking"-touches of Lucas we got a taste of in 1997 is very consistent with what we were presented with in 1999. Seriously, if Lucas was simply trolling the fans with his BD updates, what is it about those 2011 changes that are so radically different compared to the poor choices and filmmaking style seen in the '97 SE, Prequels, THX 1138 SE, '04 SE that makes people seriously think he would go to such length? Please, explain it to me.
First of all, mind that this is my opinion. Unlike many of you around here, my favourite versions are 1997 SE. The important difference between 1997 SE and the following two releases is in the nature of the alterations.
Majority of the changes in 1997 were related to upgrading the SFX and audio (yes I pretty much love every one of them) and a few changed/additions to some story-related stuff (i.e. Greedo, which I don't like but can live with it, and new celebration song with shots of other planets, which I love - I can't stand YubNub crap).
On the other hand, in 2004 and 2011 most of the changes were basically PT related crap inserted into OT. Some of these include: Hayden in ghost scene, "NOOOOO", Boba Fett voice change, Emperor having prequel style make-up in ESB, JarJar screaming "wessa free!" in one of the celebration scenes, Dug in Jabba's palace, etc.
John Williams' music. It is probably the only thing in PT that is on OT level.
darklordoftech said:
imperialscum said: This statement doesn't make any sense to me. EP7 can completely ignore SWTOR so I don't see why would anyone be concerned with it.
Why doesn't it make sense to you? The statement simply means what it says: that I won't see a movie that acknowledges SWTOR.
No, that's not what the statement says. The film can ignore or acknowledges concepts from SWTOR whether LF labels it canon or non-canon. So the two points in your statement are basically unrelated. It was also stated that EP7 will not limit itself to EU, despite the fact that most of EU is now labelled "canon".
SWTOR is labelled canon now. In the end you will have to see the film in order to know if it acknowledges SWTOR.
darklordoftech said:
imperialscum said: Still you haven't answered my earlier question (just in case you missed it).
The reason I didn't answer is because I'm not the one who you were asking, but in case you're wondering, yes, I have played SWTOR.
I said "you two" and, since you and the other guy were the only ones who mentioned SWTOR, I assumed it was clear enough. I apologise for misunderstanding.
May I also inquire how much of it? i.e. which classes, what chapters?
darklordoftech said:
If SWTOR stays canon, I won't see Episode VII.
This statement doesn't make any sense to me. EP7 can completely ignore SWTOR so I don't see why would anyone be concerned with it.
Still you haven't answered my earlier question (just in case you missed it).
DuracellEnergizer said:
darklordoftech said:
You are technically correct. I just loved that characterization of Vader and I figured the rest of this forum likes the idea of a "big" and largely uncharted galaxy (things I also like).
Don't get me wrong -- I like the idea, too. I've even created a (crude) map of the SW Galaxy which reflects it.
This reminds me that one thing I hate the most about EU is unknown region. The size and location is just ridiculous.
1997 - an honest attempt to improve the films
2004 - chance to include his prequel parasites into OT
2011 - he was simply trolling the fans
SilverWook said:
Gary Oldman briefly talks about Star Wars.
He is a great actor. It would be nice if they cast him.
Darth Lars said:
I would not mind if the pre-prequel eras EU was wiped completely.
I would not mind if the entire prequel era was wiped completely (not just EU of course).
Just curious, have you two even played SWTOR? If so how much of it?
Games:
JK2
JKA
KOTOR1
KOTOR2
SWTOR
As for books:
Perhaps Dark Forces trilogy and Thrawn trilogy.
xhonzi said:
I think that the story of a good man, who becomes a terrible villain, and then is redeemed through a love for his son, is a great story to tell.
In the OT, we had the last half of it.
In a timeline with a good PT, we could have had the first half of it. With the PT that exists in this timeline, it's worse than not having it. I think the PT was a flawed execution much more than a flawed premise.
Well Lucas wrote PT Anakin as possibly the most unlikeable main character in film history. That is pretty much where PT failed. Everything else that people usually complain about are minor issues to me.
To my taste, the thread discussion was far from what I would consider "insulting". I actually can thank you for making the most fun thread in a while.
NeverarGreat said:
None of us (as far as I am aware of) has ever made a Star Wars movie
Well unless Lucas is registered on OT.com, your statement should hold. :D
TV's Frink said:
Can't wait for this lock!
In old days we used to say "IBL".
Humby said:
OBI-WAN37 said:
Someone asked me in the "sick of prequel bashing" thread why I think the prequels are good films. Here is why: they are just as moving and fun, if not more so, than the Original trilogy.
For God's sake, that doesn't make them good films. That makes them films that you enjoy. There are plenty of movies that I love which I know are straight up bad films. That doesn't ruin my enjoyment of them. There are black and white reasons why these films don't work as an effective narrative and creating another thread only makes your ability to argue look weak. Stop (or leave) before you make yourself look worse.
I am sorry but there is no such thing as universally good or bad film. An estimation of a film is completely subjective and based on individual opinion. There is no objective measure according to which one could estimate the quality of the film. It not a science where you have a clear definition what a voltage is and then you can compare two voltages measured in volts and say this one is higher... All you can do with film is generalise multiple opinions (IMDb, Oscars, etc.) which is in the end just as subjective as an individual opinion.
OBI-WAN37 said:
Someone asked me in the "sick of prequel bashing" thread why I think the prequels are good films. Here is why: they are just as moving and fun, if not more so, than the Original trilogy.
Well people are different and they have a different idea of fun. PT is a soap opera about possibly the most unlikeable main character in the film history. Some obviously enjoy that. I prefer the adventure and likeable characters, that is why love OT and dislike PT.
OBI-WAN37 said:
I also find it funny that all the trolling the pt-haters did did not get the topic locked but my purely defensive remarks did. Talk about biased. Nice job, moderators.
I agree that the thread should not get locked. It was the most fun thread at the moment.
Well 1997 are my favourite versions. Apart from maybe Greedo thing, nothing really bothers me. It was in 2004 and 2011 that Lucas started to insert prequel parasites, which are unacceptable to me.
SidVichyssoise said:
Two exceptions would be Greedo not shooting at Han and keeping Sebastian Shaw as the ghost of Anakin.
Ghost change was in 2004 not in 1997.
Jaitea said:
don't expect too much with the Rebels series
Oh, I don't. It is a good chance I won't even try to watch it.
