imperialscum

Anchorhead said:

Honestly, what hasn't Lucas been quoted saying?  Dude has told so many fucking truths and facts about the history of the franchise that it's impossible to make sense of them all.  1 film, 3 films, 6 films, 9 films, 12 films, brother\sister, not related, thought it up on the fly, Original Vision, adventures of Luke, tragedy of Vader, shot first, shot second, etc, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseam.

Well at least it makes his interviews interesting. I kinda hate it when some people repeat same old crap in every interview. :D

Tyrphanax said:

imperialscum said:

.Mac. said:

Anyway, imagine if Kershner returned to do ROTJ following after his successful ESB...

I highly doubt ROTJ would be much different film in its core. After all it was still Lucas who was creative director behind ESB and ROTJ.

But now that Lucas isn't actively involved any more, the films could be quite different with different director. So in this respect I agree with you that it might be better to keep one director throughout the ST, if EP7 doesn't suck of course.

I partially agree with this, because with Lucas wanting to take back the reigns after the over budget ESB and Kersh wanting to do what he wanted to do, clashes would have happened and Lucas would either have retreated to sulk (good film) or, more likely, would have sacked Kersh and done his own thing (similar film or worse than now).

Well I think in its core ROTJ would be the same whether Lucas stayed at home during principal photography or ran around the sets. He may let Kershner freely direct actors in ESB, but he didn't let him do any major changes to what he cooked up in the pre-production. So as you said, there would probably be clashes if Kershner tried to change anything for ROTJ which would probably have negative effect on the film. Those who think Ewoks would not be in the film are just naive.

.Mac. said:

Anyway, imagine if Kershner returned to do ROTJ following after his successful ESB...

I highly doubt ROTJ would be much different film in its core. After all it was still Lucas who was creative director behind ESB and ROTJ.

But now that Lucas isn't actively involved any more, the films could be quite different with different director. So in this respect I agree with you that it might be better to keep one director throughout the ST, if EP7 doesn't suck of course.

I would actually like to see Spielberg direct one of the new films.

pablumatic said:

For being one with the Force Obi-Wan seemed more out of tune with it than Luke in Return of the Jedi.

Obi-Wan wants Luke to kill Vader. Luke doesn't want to and eventually doesn't have to. Being a spirit residing within the Force Obi-Wan appears unable to foresee any other alternatives to their fight than Luke using lethal force. Whatever happened to trusting your feelings or wars not making one great?

Obi-Wan's line after Luke tells him he can't kill his father: "Then the Empire has already won." should have been left out and something else put in like "The alternatives to fighting Vader won't be easy but I'm not against you seeking them out."

The point is that it was established that once you fall to the dark side there is no way back. Obi-Wan was just being realistic about it. Realistically, in this case an alternative to fighting was letting the Emperor win. Anakin being able to come back to the light side should be seen as an unique accomplishment.

The EU of course completely degraded this concept.

Bingowings said:

As one of the good guys Leia would now be dull. She would be little more than a Mon Mothma clone.

And that's what she should be. A little more than a cameo role.

darklordoftech said:

Battle of Coruscant instead of Battle of Endor. That way we would see the Empire's death.

As of the standing storyline, Battle of Coruscant would be beyond ridiculous. Battle of Endor is an equivalent of Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Coruscant would be an equivalent of Battle of Berlin. What are you suggesting is putting Battle of Berlin in 1942, under the existing historic context.

In addition it would be very boring and typical conclusion of the storyline. A concluding battle in a middle of nowhere makes it both refreshing and unique in terms of storyline and believable in terms of rebel victory. And by concluding I don't mean that this was the last battle in the war, but just in terms of trilogy, as this battle only trigged the Empire's gradual collapse.

darklordoftech said:

imperialscum said: Destroying planets like it was something casual is not cool... it is lame.

I meant destroyed naturally, not by a superweapon.

I see. But that seems very unlikely to me, since it wasn't a star but a gas giant.

darklordoftech said:

Hate is probably a strong word for this, but I dislike that the planet Endor exists as of ROTJ in the EU. The novelization's statement that the planet Endor had been destroyed at some point long before ROTJ is far cooler in my opinion.

Destroying planets like it was something casual is not cool... it is lame. And since you are concerned so much with OT uniqueness, it also degrades the uniqueness of death star.

For me, Endor is the thing we see in the background of initial sequence of ROTJ.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Eh, I don't find most Asian women all that attractive. Too many are flat and boney.

I find Asian women much more attractive than black women. Well tastes are different. :)

TheBoost said:

the cast was three Asian women

What's not to like about that? :)

Whoever thought this series was going to be for Star Wars fans was very naive.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Fang Zei said:

You gotta wonder if there's gonna be a huge backlash to all of this. As noted earlier in the thread, a lot of fans on fb, tfn and elsewhere are pretty pissed about this already. I can't say I blame them.

Where was this backlash when Lucas blatantly contradicted the EU with the PT? Why does Abrams and the ST receive so much scorn when Lucas gets off scot-free without so much as a slap on the wrist?

These fans are all double-standardizing, cognitive dissonant @$$#%!&$, and they deserve to have their insular bubble burst.

Well if it is true that they used Lucas' storyline for ST, then it is still Lucas to blame for non-consistencies.

TheBoost said:

Whatever. You're probably a paid shill for  £u¢a$Film and Di$n€y.  

You forgot the yen mark in Disney.

DuracellEnergizer said:

the lightslingshot looks completely stupid.

Tbh the whole image looks stupid to me.

Tyrphanax said:

 Thank God we can still put dollar signs in these words!

:D

Leper Messiah TR said:

wtf is it with these ugly faces in the cast. not to mention the blatant affirmative action. not every fucking movie does have to have a token black guy Hollywood. and just screw the np lookalike. hope this movie blows

I get the feeling that you won't be around for long. :)

I must say it is refreshing to see some criticism in contrast.

I don't really know most of the actors. So I am not excited or anything. As others have already commented, I miss BDW and Denis Lawson on the list. I hope they will appear in the films.

luckydube56 said:

It's been reported that Han Solo will be the central character in episode 7.  Hmmm...will Ford get the death he's always asked for?

Well you might mistake Ford intention to kill Han for the ROTJ. Some fans were led to believe he wanted to "benefit" the story which is ridiculous. It was especially popular in the peak of Lucas hating days. Back then Ford just wanted to free himself of Star Wars in order to be able to focus on other films.

Now I don't think he wants Han dead. Otherwise he wouldn't even agree to be in the film.

DuracellEnergizer said:

imperialscum said:

Well DuracellEnergizer is in love with TOTJ. He would go as far as to piss on, deny and distort OT-inspired Sith concepts to protect his dear love. He "won't let" anything to use, evolve or tamper with his beloved TOTJ Sith... but he seems to be completely okay with the fact that it was TOTJ which took and deformed the original Sith concept.

:)

God, you have issues, don't you? For someone who pisses and moans about me being a broken record, you sure are one yourself, and a bigger one at that.  

My post was a quick overview of your issues. The guy just said that he likes the good old OT concept of Sith and you attacked him with your TOTJ Sith complex. I tried to spare him the pointless argument. I am sorry if I offended you.

Well DuracellEnergizer is in love with TOTJ. He would go as far as to piss on, deny and distort OT-inspired Sith concepts to protect his dear love. He "won't let" anything to use, evolve or tamper with his beloved TOTJ Sith... but he seems to be completely okay with the fact that it was TOTJ which took and deformed the original Sith concept.

:)

I haven't read that LF article carefully. But did they even say they are discarding all EU. If I remember correctly they just said the new films will not limit themselves to post-ROTJ EU.

Because this does not change anything at all. Lucas always considered EU as something non-canon.

Well like Lucas tried to infest and replace everything with his beloved PT crap (PT and CW)... now they will do the same with their beloved "yet to be judged" films (ep7,8,9) and series (Rebels).

timdiggerm said:

Fang Zei said:

I dunno, I think they should at least try to fit Episode 7 in the "old" continuity. I don't see any scenario as "too constraining" for the filmmakers. If anything, having parameters in which to work might actually breed creativity more than a blank slate would.

 Chewie's dead in the old continuity. That's pretty constraining.

I don't get it. It's just a dead animal.

DominicCobb said:

I don't see how this is anything but good. All I care about, really, is the new films. If they had to fit with old canon, that would have sucked, plain and simple. No creative freedom there. This is much better.

Well let's be careful there, they can still suck.

Fang Zei said:

imperialscum said:

As for EU sources that used big-time characters in order to try to increase their popularity they will pay the price now.

Here's the thing, though: they've had 20+ years to kill off Han, Luke and Leia in the EU and they haven't. Also, didn't Chewie's death need to be OK'd by GL himself? That, to me, makes it semi-official.

You don't kill the milk cow. Unless some EU author wants be an attention whore and tries to make himself look important by killing one of the big-time character. But Lucas kept them in line that much.