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Broom Kid said:
it’s probably good to just let it lie.

Agreed.

Broom Kid said:

Also, I never actually criticized the video because I never watched it.

How bout this - I’m almost 100% convinced there isn’t anything MauLer is going to say in this video that hasn’t already been said somewhere else, by someone else, in a much more intelligent and less “upset” manner,

You assumed his video was a less unintelligent retread of other critique’s.

If you didn’t care, none of what just happened this afternoon would have happened at all. Nothing wrong with caring.

What I care about is discussing peoples work in a fair manner.

Broom Kid said:

The title ABSOLUTELY takes away from whatever merit it might have. That’s the whole point. It’s not unreasonable to be discerning about what you put into your body and your head. If someone is voluntarily choosing to advertise their “content” as a rant comprising two hours of unbridled rage it’s perfectly reasonable for me (or anyone else) to avoid it.

Again, it’s not like an all-or-nothing thing here, either. There are multitudes of opinions (most from people with better standing and resumes in terms of cultural analysis and critical thought than “MauLer” on YouTube) I can seek out if I want to read an unsparing analysis of where The Rise of Skywalker went wrong. I’m not being unfair to “MauLer” by choosing someone else’s offerings because they presented an option that’s much more appealing by dint of not presenting as an online reactionary monetizing anger on YouTube.

How bout this - I’m almost 100% convinced there isn’t anything MauLer is going to say in this video that hasn’t already been said somewhere else, by someone else, in a much more intelligent and less “upset” manner, and I don’t need to spend two hours to hear it all again from a YouTube personality, especially since I already agree that it’s a broken, misguided mess of a film.

Lol you can’t go around criticising things you haven’t seen, it’s absurd .

If you don’t want to watch a video that’s up to you I don’t really care.

I prefer a mixture of 4A and 4C with the radio contact instead of the force voice, as palpatine’s voice from the radio fades away we cut straight to Rey coldly staring down Kylo with Palpy’s voice still lingering in the background.

Broom Kid said:

idir_hh said:

Right… So you’re basically judging a book by its cover.

Of course I am. That’s an old cliche, not a binding rule of life and media consumption. Discernment and judgment play a huge part in deciding what media you consume, and when “the cover” in question is telling you “I’m a two-hour rant video full of unbridled rage” and I’m not in the market for consuming YouTube “film criticism” comprising two-hours of “unbridled rage” I don’t think I’m at fault for deciding to give it a pass, especially when I know (because I’ve seen and read it) there is a lot of incisive, insightful, and meaningful writing on this movie (writing that has a primarily critical bent, and negatively critical at that) that won’t take anywhere near as much time to consume and isn’t primarily focused on how much “unbridled rage” and “ranting” it contains.

If a food product said “Made with bile, vinegar, and feces” I wouldn’t eat it. Especially not if you told me I had to spend the length of a movie eating it. And if someone accused me of being closed-minded for choosing not to consume bile, vinegar, and feces, more power to them but I’d disagree with the assessment. There’s a very thick line between “open minded” and “open to self-abuse.”

That’s pretty unreasonable if you ask me. You might not like the title but that doesn’t take away from the critique’s analytical merit. Let go of your presumptions, grab some popcorn and enjoy an entertaining 2h00 dissection of bad filmmaking.

Broom Kid said:

DrDre said:

These sort of videos have been popular ever since the days of good ol’ Plinkett.

Plinkett never called his videos “two-hour-rages” though. Plinkett’s early-internet popularity is the curse that keep giving, absolutely, and was very instrumental in the YouTube grift that is actively making the world a worse place every day, despite the fact all Red Letter Media really wanted to do was have fun goofing on Star Wars and Star Trek —they didn’t intend to help lay the groundwork for a Tantrum-Throwing-Industrial-Complex, obviously. But Red Letter Media has never gone out of their way to either suggest their critique is all that meaningful, and they’ve, so far as I know, never bald-face presented their work as the product of pure rage, either. Even their most acid takes are presented as easy-going, not-all-that-important jests.

If you click on something called “Two Hour Rage” and you actually watch all of it, and feel frustrated trying to convince people the title isn’t an accurate description of its contents, I don’t understand. Movie-length-reviews of movies are honestly a thing that barely justify their existence even IF they’re well-made and presented as rational and reasonable. If you stack the deck even further against yourself by making your critique encompass the behind-the-scenes making-of (that is almost hardly ever made public and necessitates assumption, conjecture, theory-crafting applied to REAL people, and typically a bunch of bad information) and then you couch the actual film criticism part of your review as a “two hour rage” it shouldn’t be a mystery as to why people might avoid it on general principle.

Advocates for this sort of online rage obviously benefit financially from this approach because appealing to prurient interests and unearned anger is a good grift on the algorithm-focused platform that is YouTube. But it’s also worth keeping in mind a lot of people prefer to enjoy things, and not “rage” at them. If you present a thing that is asking for two-hours of your time and you’re promising it will be filled with “rage” people will probably give it a pass as there’s enough “rage” inducing content out there in people’s real lives that giving more time to it (over something as low-stakes as a Star Wars movie) will seem pretty unappealing.

I still haven’t read or heard a piece of criticism about Rise of Skywalker that did as much to point out the film’s weaknesses in a clear, concise, easy-to-understand (and feel) manner than the film freak central review, and even if someone took the harshest possible interpretation of that review as a “rage” it still wouldn’t come close to 10 minutes if someone simply read it aloud, and it takes even less time to actually read. “Two Hour Rage” is the sort of indulgence that only in a very, very rare instance could possibly justify itself, and I have hard time believing “MauLer” on YouTube is gonna manage that justification.

Right… So you’re basically judging a book by its cover.

I think this is one of those films that needs a “not so gentle restructure”

In fairness some of the script issues that he points out are so amateurish and insulting that you can’t help but be enraged.

oojason said:

Wanderer_ said:

The unbridled rage take on the movie is here, and it’s awesome: https://youtu.be/0528-TlRODI

A 2 hour long youtube video from ‘MauLer’ on bashing TROS? Titled ‘TROS: An Unbridled Rage’?

No thanks - personally I’d rather watch something with balance to their videos, something without a pre-conceived agenda - and not 2 hours of a ‘video ranting about a crappy movie’ - or ‘Disney’s failure is now complete’.

Though fair play to those that do.
 

Have you watched it? 90% of the video pretty much sums up the problems, plot holes and inconsistencies in this film. The other 10% is well deserved redicule of the planning/writing behind this trilogy.

MasterSolo said:

4C. This is my favorite. I like how it’s Palpatine using the Force instead of the radio. I like that it keeps the Kylo/Rey exchange, I also love how you save the laugh for when Rey closes the door. I just wish you would reinsert the “It is your destiny” line. It’s a good line, and I believe it makes it the right amount of dialogue. Not too much, not too little.

+1

jarbear said:
Just having the whispers doesn’t really “reveal” or overtly hint at anything. Why? This is a Dark side place, we as the audience know that! So having those whispers isn’t really pointing “Hey, we are hinting something, can’t you tell?!”

Agreed.

poppasketti said:
The way I looked at it with what I have currently is that the hood could be Palpatine himself or Rey in a Palpatine cloak (as she appears in TROS), and the idea is just to tease the imagery.

Although it would be less subtle, you could illustrate that by having the hood quickly morph from “Evil Rey” to normal Rey when Palpatines silhouette approaches.

Any software recommendations for removing timecodes?

For the cave scene what do you think of starting the silhouettes with the hooded figure than the parents and finally to Rey? I think it makes more sense lineage wise.

As for Palpatine’s contact, I think you can do without the laugh at the end personally.
In option C I like how you cut straight to Rey after Palpatine’s contact with echoes of his voice still there, it makes for good foreshadowing. You can still play with the dialogue a little though, something like “You are fulfilling your destiny…find me.” or “your journey nears it’s end…come to me” would make the scene linger a little and give it a sense of inevitability.

Really great stuff, I’m impressed with how fast you’re pumping these out!

OutboundFlight said:

So many missed opportunities.

So many “what ifs”.

Anakin Starkiller said:

In terms of making it a truly different planet, you could add unique plantlife or other structures in the background or recolor the sky using EbSynth. A green sky would be interesting. Especially against purple sand. However, I feel like the sand would be an absolute nightmare to recolor. At most, you could maybe tweak the color balance slightly, but that’s it.

Oh and I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: make Ilum (Starkiller Base) a snowy volcano. It’s an idea that appeared in concept art and would help resolve the issue of the fissure that splits Rey and Kylo once you remove the “destroy the superweapon” part of the film. Just add lava flowing to some of the wide shots and voila!

Yeah the Art of TFA is very inspiring, pitty they didn’t incorporate a lot of the unique stuff in there. As for Jakku I think sprinkling crashed Star destroyers/Mon Calla cruisers etc wherever possible would give it a look that is more distinct and evocative.

4throck said:

Yes, a physical fight. They fight somewhere (some planet, doesn’t matter where) as a flashback, just like the flashbacks to Luke’s Jedi temple destruction.
We don’t see the end of the fight, but understand that it was inconclusive, and the reason why Luke retired to his island.

Interesting but very ambitious, any idea on how to go about it?

4throck said:

• Use Luke’s force projection as a real fight between them after Luke’s temple is destroyed

Do you mean making him a physical presence on crait ?

The colour correction is great just the lightsabers are a little washed out.

And a few cameos by our little green friend.
sigh

The republic was established a 1000 years before TPM.
“There hasn’t been a full-scale war since the formation of the Republic”-AOTC
This new series of movies starts 400 years before TPM

Where is the “war” in this Star War?

PS: pardon my pessimism.

Problem is, In Canon the Republic was established after the destruction of the Sith one thousand years before TPM.

“I will not let this Republic that had stood for a thousand years be split in two”
“The sith have been extinct for a millennia”

I really don’t want to get my hopes up but I can’t help it.

Does this site have any kind of reputation?

Isn’t that a time of peace? I wish they tackled The Old Republic.

poppasketti said:

Ok, here’s a pass of a less subtle hood appearance as the two shadows merge.
https://vimeo.com/382919336
pw: fanedit

I used a shot from ROTJ to get the motion, but I wonder if this is a little too explicit. To me, it’s obviously Palpatine, and I wonder if I should dial it back.

Really like it, just a little smoothing out and you’re good to go.