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My notes after an Andor rewatch followed by this:

• Excellent. The rescoring goes a long way, as does some trims to the fan service.
• The score changes in S2 have made the edit stand out a little now, so an update sounds great in this regard.
• Maybe retitle ‘Jedha’ in light of the S2 finale’s title.
• As previously mentioned, I’d try moving the Erso family flashback to the episode 2 opening.
• I’m pro Bor Gullet. Bit of flavour for crazy old Saw.
• Bail’s first appearance is weird and as he contributes nothing it might be better just to cut the few shots of him.
• I’d be tempted to cut the action on Jedha down further. K2 shows up just to contribute to the fight, and then returns to the ship again just in time for the plot to return. You could possibly cut him entirely and streamline the rioting.
• “It’s a first for me” could easily be a lie but it’s still a bit distracting.
• Cutting the Krennic/Vader scene is the right call.
• Not sure it makes sense that 3PO and R2 are on the ground for that cameo but it is not as obnoxious as it used to be.
• Jyn’s inspirational speach to the troops on Scarif still rings hollow considering her position. I’d cut it down further so she shares quote about Saw and then jumps straight to the exposition.
• The Vader massacre works well as a post credit and I wouldn’t move it.

Really great work though. It makes Rogue One a much better watch for me. I never realised how much I disliked the score to that film until I looked into this edit.

NFBisms, I’d love to know what your feelings are with this now Andor has come to an end. Did you get the sounds you hoped for? Has it made you rethink anything unexpected?

I am excited to give this a watch. Had a flick through so far and it looks great!

I think opening with the Erso/Krennic flashback feels a bit out of place now in the Andor format. Maybe it makes for a better cold open for episode 2 instead of episode 1? Could make ‘Stardust’ feel a bit like an Erso-centric episode, fitting as they will be reunited (briefly) here, and the episode closes on Jyn already. The scene also leads nicely into Krennic celebrating the destruction of Jedha, showing how long he has been working on the project. His relationship with Galen is set up to be paid off in this episode too. From a purely OCD standpoint, it’ll help balance the running time of all 3 episodes. I need to have a proper watch though. Starting over on Andor and ending with this, can’t wait.

De-aging I’m fine with. Never looks great but used sparingly can be effective.

Digitally reviving the dead is just a deal breaker to me. I will give leeway to TROS because of their circumstances and their approach to repurpose real footage. Did it work? Lord no. It’s not quite as haunting as the average dead-eyed deepfake though. It will never cross the uncanny valley, and it will always be grotesque. As impressive as the tech is, I don’t enjoy seeing a dead man’s face digitally smeared over a puppet.

Deepfake Luke

Mocata said:

Well I don’t really know how; the point has passed in which Rey might have become someone interesting. Why sit through the stupidity of part IX just to see if a miracle happens in part X? I’ll have to pass.

Plenty of people enjoy 4-6 despite 1-3 being garbage, do they not? All it takes is a good film, good story. In that, Rey could be a key player, a bit part, or even long dead in a future story. Post-TROS is a vast amount of time.

BedeHistory731 said:

Sci-fi fans: We need fresh IP!

Rebel Moon: exists

Sci-fi fans: Not like that!

Rebel Moon is anything but fresh.

… Or good.

Sure, give Simon Kinberg a trilogy, ha. Lucasfilm are just trolling now.

Vladius said:
By the director’s own words, he wanted to create a movie where half of the people who watch it hate it, and he succeeded.

I’ve never seen a writer/director as frequently and brazenly misquoted as Rian Johnson.

fmalover said:

JadedSkywalker said:

Luke’s astral projection should have been his green lightsaber form. He lost his father’s lightsaber on cloud city.

That bothered me a lot as well. Kylo Ren himself witnessed his grandfather’s lightsaber being torn in half moments earlier, so seeing his uncle wielding it should have tipped him off, and I also think the green lightsaber would have unsettled him a lot more since that’s the last image he has of his uncle.

I think it all boils down to Anakin’s lightsaber being more iconic.

It’s the blue saber for two reasons: 1.) it’s the one Luke rejected earlier on and is now taking up again, and 2.) it is the one Kylo has wanted for the past two films. (He probably wouldn’t know it is broken, being knocked out in the blast and not seeing the aftermath)

I like the green one though, so I’d have preferred it.

Servii said:

SparkySywer said:

Nope actually that line is awesome. So is the kill the past one from Kylo Ren.

I’m not a fan of anything Holdo says in this scene

Blazing hot take I know

For me, it’s not so much what she says, but the way she says it. The way she’s leaning in close to him, half-whispering the words, smiling with what I would best describe as saccharine condescension. I wondered at the time why this moment bugged me, and it’s because Holdo was giving off Dolores Umbridge vibes. I recall Rian Johnson saying once that he intended for Holdo to be a little flirtatious towards Poe, and I think her behavior in this scene is a holdover from that.

Also, once again, the movie doesn’t acknowledge Starkiller Base, or the fact that Poe just destroyed it the day before. It’s the same problem with how Finn’s role in the climax of TFA isn’t appreciated.

I’d like to know more about OG Holdo’s role, because she must have been quite a botch. It was buried in much louder discussion about TLJ, but Johnson said he reworked her and you can see from the footage that dialogue is altered. The changes could well be why Holdo makes some weird choices in the final film. She was more “hippy dippy” originally.

There’s nothing that bothers me except the Rose “fighting what we hate, saving what we love” bit. The line itself is clunky, but also the moment itself just doesn’t land. Finn’s attempted sacrifice doesn’t come across as doomed enough, Rose’s move to save him looks certain to kill them both, and a giant cannon shooting the Resistance base is a really weird choice of backdrop to a corny moral and a kiss.

Fine with the dialogue for the most part though.

JadedSkywalker said:

Hard disagree on Solo miscast leads and a leaden script no matter who the director was it was in trouble, especially considering the actor is not Harrison and they killed him like he was nothing in Force Awakens, way too late to make a prequel for a dead Han. Might as well have tried to sell dead Han toys.

As to moving the timeline from 3 to 2 years between films I do somewhat agree, but I also agree throwing out Lucas outline and then having no plan was a problem as well.

Solo was a lame idea from the jump, but it was one of a few projects that came with the sale, and something Kasdan wanted to write. An easy choice to make when you need a new film released each year.

I have trouble fully blaming Lucasfilm for these failings when we know Disney execs impose aggressive schedules. Bad decisions are often made in a hurry.

In general, Disney’s content lacks vision and it lacks conviction. Slow down, stop announcing projects cause it’s 50/50 they get made, and spend more money on writers.

If that Rey movie has something to it, go all out and make it Episode X. Don’t churn out another side project, make something with ambition.
Stop beating around the bush and make a wonderful Luke Skywalker series too. He is THE Star Wars protagonist and there are decades of adventures to mine.

If the Disney+ shows must continue at this volume, perhaps retool the old ‘Star Wars Story’ format and have people direct 90 minute TV-movies that function as pilots first. That way Disney can still keep the conveyor belt running, potentially take a few more creative risks on projects but also not commit 6-8 hours to a bad pitch.

Starkiller Base is my biggest gripe with TFA. To hear it may have been patched in late in the game is pretty disappointing ha

It’s mildly infuriating to see the grifters continue to poison the well with their bizarre narratives when the problem is always just the quality of the product.

I wish this film luck. I’d like to see Rey redeemed after TROS.

It’s a recurring, fatal flaw throughout the trilogy. It’s clear what Lucas is intending to do, but he botches it so badly in the details that everyone looks stupid or accidentially terrible in every situation.

The PT functions better as a trilogy, but each piece sucks. I like TFA and TLJ well enough, they are better than the prequels, but TROS is shoddy conclusion so the ST sucks as a trilogy too. Tough choice.

I’m gonna wait and see on this one. I just can’t count on a D+ series to wrap up nicely. It’s the show I had most hope for since that big annoucement, so I’m rooting for it.

adywan said:

Sadly, the dark side of the fandom is ripping it apart. The usual " Woke" bullshit comments are everywhere. Slating the show because of its female lead, the fact they mentioned " two mothers" and other crap. If it’s not white male lead they don’t class it as Star Wars. Wankers. I’m so fed up hearing how Star Wars is dead, just because it doesn’t follow their narrow minded bullshit. No one is allowed to just enjoy it any more without all their vitriol. I’ve seen so many commenting on how they refuse to watch it but will review bomb it wherever possible. Then attacking fans who dare to say they like anything “Disney” Star Wars.

Can I just say thank you for this. Traversing the internet, it seems impossible to avoid contact with that whole hateful eco-system and it is genuinely depressing. Just seeing someone else talk about it gave me a little sigh of relief.

Good questions, for another time.

I like 7 & 8 more than the prequels. 9 might be the worst of all though, just for how incredibly cowardly it is.

Mocata said:

I would imagine they’re going to ignore this whole idea and try another soft reboot. If it ever gets to production.

Probably for the best. Considering how divisive and bizarre a lot of the choices have been, another story with Rey will go down easier with a clean slate. Ridley has charm and can deliver in the role. I like Rey, enough to wish Episode 9 never happened to her. Hopefully she will be gifted better material this time*.

(*if this film actually crosses the finish line, which you cannot count on)

Cutting to Jimmy Smits with a “well, fuck” expression during the Alderaan explosion sounds so ridiculous I wish it had been in a Special Edition.

jmarso1 said:

I guess if I had my druthers, I’d do one of the following:

1. Recast the lead characters and film Zahn’s trilogy as the ST. (Sebastian Stan as Luke, Millie Bobbie Brown as Leia,

That’s like a 22 year age-gap between the Twins. That would be weird as hell.

DZ-330 said:

Surprise, surprise…

Upcoming Rey ‘Star Wars’ Movie Delayed Indefinitely
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/1/15/io4tuslm6h62bptffpsahtp9b356rz

Never heard of this source before