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fmalover said:

JadedSkywalker said:

Luke’s astral projection should have been his green lightsaber form. He lost his father’s lightsaber on cloud city.

That bothered me a lot as well. Kylo Ren himself witnessed his grandfather’s lightsaber being torn in half moments earlier, so seeing his uncle wielding it should have tipped him off, and I also think the green lightsaber would have unsettled him a lot more since that’s the last image he has of his uncle.

I think it all boils down to Anakin’s lightsaber being more iconic.

It’s the blue saber for two reasons: 1.) it’s the one Luke rejected earlier on and is now taking up again, and 2.) it is the one Kylo has wanted for the past two films. (He probably wouldn’t know it is broken, being knocked out in the blast and not seeing the aftermath)

I like the green one though, so I’d have preferred it.

Servii said:

SparkySywer said:

Nope actually that line is awesome. So is the kill the past one from Kylo Ren.

I’m not a fan of anything Holdo says in this scene

Blazing hot take I know

For me, it’s not so much what she says, but the way she says it. The way she’s leaning in close to him, half-whispering the words, smiling with what I would best describe as saccharine condescension. I wondered at the time why this moment bugged me, and it’s because Holdo was giving off Dolores Umbridge vibes. I recall Rian Johnson saying once that he intended for Holdo to be a little flirtatious towards Poe, and I think her behavior in this scene is a holdover from that.

Also, once again, the movie doesn’t acknowledge Starkiller Base, or the fact that Poe just destroyed it the day before. It’s the same problem with how Finn’s role in the climax of TFA isn’t appreciated.

I’d like to know more about OG Holdo’s role, because she must have been quite a botch. It was buried in much louder discussion about TLJ, but Johnson said he reworked her and you can see from the footage that dialogue is altered. The changes could well be why Holdo makes some weird choices in the final film. She was more “hippy dippy” originally.

There’s nothing that bothers me except the Rose “fighting what we hate, saving what we love” bit. The line itself is clunky, but also the moment itself just doesn’t land. Finn’s attempted sacrifice doesn’t come across as doomed enough, Rose’s move to save him looks certain to kill them both, and a giant cannon shooting the Resistance base is a really weird choice of backdrop to a corny moral and a kiss.

Fine with the dialogue for the most part though.

JadedSkywalker said:

Hard disagree on Solo miscast leads and a leaden script no matter who the director was it was in trouble, especially considering the actor is not Harrison and they killed him like he was nothing in Force Awakens, way too late to make a prequel for a dead Han. Might as well have tried to sell dead Han toys.

As to moving the timeline from 3 to 2 years between films I do somewhat agree, but I also agree throwing out Lucas outline and then having no plan was a problem as well.

Solo was a lame idea from the jump, but it was one of a few projects that came with the sale, and something Kasdan wanted to write. An easy choice to make when you need a new film released each year.

I have trouble fully blaming Lucasfilm for these failings when we know Disney execs impose aggressive schedules. Bad decisions are often made in a hurry.

In general, Disney’s content lacks vision and it lacks conviction. Slow down, stop announcing projects cause it’s 50/50 they get made, and spend more money on writers.

If that Rey movie has something to it, go all out and make it Episode X. Don’t churn out another side project, make something with ambition.
Stop beating around the bush and make a wonderful Luke Skywalker series too. He is THE Star Wars protagonist and there are decades of adventures to mine.

If the Disney+ shows must continue at this volume, perhaps retool the old ‘Star Wars Story’ format and have people direct 90 minute TV-movies that function as pilots first. That way Disney can still keep the conveyor belt running, potentially take a few more creative risks on projects but also not commit 6-8 hours to a bad pitch.

Starkiller Base is my biggest gripe with TFA. To hear it may have been patched in late in the game is pretty disappointing ha

It’s mildly infuriating to see the grifters continue to poison the well with their bizarre narratives when the problem is always just the quality of the product.

I wish this film luck. I’d like to see Rey redeemed after TROS.

It’s a recurring, fatal flaw throughout the trilogy. It’s clear what Lucas is intending to do, but he botches it so badly in the details that everyone looks stupid or accidentially terrible in every situation.

The PT functions better as a trilogy, but each piece sucks. I like TFA and TLJ well enough, they are better than the prequels, but TROS is shoddy conclusion so the ST sucks as a trilogy too. Tough choice.

I’m gonna wait and see on this one. I just can’t count on a D+ series to wrap up nicely. It’s the show I had most hope for since that big annoucement, so I’m rooting for it.

adywan said:

Sadly, the dark side of the fandom is ripping it apart. The usual " Woke" bullshit comments are everywhere. Slating the show because of its female lead, the fact they mentioned " two mothers" and other crap. If it’s not white male lead they don’t class it as Star Wars. Wankers. I’m so fed up hearing how Star Wars is dead, just because it doesn’t follow their narrow minded bullshit. No one is allowed to just enjoy it any more without all their vitriol. I’ve seen so many commenting on how they refuse to watch it but will review bomb it wherever possible. Then attacking fans who dare to say they like anything “Disney” Star Wars.

Can I just say thank you for this. Traversing the internet, it seems impossible to avoid contact with that whole hateful eco-system and it is genuinely depressing. Just seeing someone else talk about it gave me a little sigh of relief.

Good questions, for another time.

I like 7 & 8 more than the prequels. 9 might be the worst of all though, just for how incredibly cowardly it is.

Mocata said:

I would imagine they’re going to ignore this whole idea and try another soft reboot. If it ever gets to production.

Probably for the best. Considering how divisive and bizarre a lot of the choices have been, another story with Rey will go down easier with a clean slate. Ridley has charm and can deliver in the role. I like Rey, enough to wish Episode 9 never happened to her. Hopefully she will be gifted better material this time*.

(*if this film actually crosses the finish line, which you cannot count on)

Cutting to Jimmy Smits with a “well, fuck” expression during the Alderaan explosion sounds so ridiculous I wish it had been in a Special Edition.

jmarso1 said:

I guess if I had my druthers, I’d do one of the following:

1. Recast the lead characters and film Zahn’s trilogy as the ST. (Sebastian Stan as Luke, Millie Bobbie Brown as Leia,

That’s like a 22 year age-gap between the Twins. That would be weird as hell.

DZ-330 said:

Surprise, surprise…

Upcoming Rey ‘Star Wars’ Movie Delayed Indefinitely
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/1/15/io4tuslm6h62bptffpsahtp9b356rz

Never heard of this source before

This is awesome. Takes me back to an innocent time haha.

[Spartacus01 said:]Also, the chronological order is the order George Lucas told us to watch the movies, and there is a reason for that.

George Lucas would say that; but the PT (as with most prequels) are informed by the films that came first. They communicate with the audience based on things they already know, beyond the obvious twists from the OT that are spoiled. I get why people watch them chronologically but dear lord I would never reccommend it. With all due respect to Lucas, he doesn’t even want us watching the films that made him and the series.

As I haven’t done it apparently, I shall jump on the pile too

The ones I like:

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Star Wars
3. Return of the Jedi
4. The Last Jedi
5. The Force Awakens

The rest:

6. Rogue One
7. Solo (maybe? I don’t really remember it)
8. The Phantom Menace
9. Revenge of the Sith
10. Attack of the Clones
11. Rise of Skywalker

Some great criticism presented in mostly funny ways. They’ve aged poorly in places but still hold up as solid video essays beyond the extreme character. RLM have really built a solid brand in the years since. I enjoy their reviews and Best Of The Worst series.

Probably paved the way for a lot of youtubers and long form video content. At the same time I think Plinkett inspired a bunch of dreadful imposters who do the act without the self-awareness. That is unfortunate.

Most impressive. That Vader/Ben duel shot is insane.

With Ahsoka’s nod to the Mortis gods, I was thinking about that place, and how cool a location it was for the final battle in that “Duel of the Fates” script. It’s one of many things I wish weren’t dropped in the process of making Episode 9. I had a brain wave though about incorporating the Father/Son/Daughter mythology into the script that could have made for an interesting resolution, as well as addressing some common complaints about the ST.

Instead of dragging Palpatine’s corpse back, use Anakin as the final ‘boss’. The confrontation on Mortis ends with Anakin Skywalker appearing to Rey and Kylo. Anakin has become the ‘Father’, intent on bringing balance to the force, and to achieve this he needs a Son (Kylo) and a Daughter (Rey). Both have been ‘destined’ to fulfill these positions and have felt the weight of external forces pulling them throughout their lives. Rey defies prophecy, choosing to leave and help the galaxy directly rather than watch from a distance.

As a visual spectacle that duel is still good fun for me. After a few watches, the actual ‘sword fighting’ felt apart, and that section of amped up Obi-Wan vs Maul got shorter and shorter ha.

Of all the revisionist takes of the PT that came up after Disney started crapping the bed, the way the twirly glow stick fights have been elevated kind of baffled me.

The Acolyte has long been my low-key most anticipated SW project. Headland is a more interesting hire than those out of the Mandalorian factory; and likewise the time period is more interesting than ‘right next to the OT’

… granted. Expectations are still low, but Andor was solid stuff so these can work out occassionally.

G&G-Fan said:

Not even the worst of TCW did the same irreversible damage to Star Wars that the prequels and Rise of Skywalker did.

Yeah probably wouldn’t argue with that. TCW doesn’t do much to alter anything significant, and is basically entirely supplementary. The lazy cowardice of TROS’s story ripples back through everything unfortunately.