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#464013
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Are we supposed to know that Palpatine = Sidious/The Emperor?
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Quackula said:

xhonzi said:

Quackula said:

Maybe it's because Ian McDiarmid is one of the few exceptional actors in those films, and his performance sticks out like a sore thumb...

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a good performance can only take a dumb script so far... ;)

Palpatine was one of the only characters who was consistently interesting to see on screen in the PT imo, even if he did get downright goofy at times, especially in episode III.

I couldn't  agree more.  Episodes 1 and 2 already belittled the emperor character but in episode  3  he is made out to be  ridicules  and is ruined forever.  I once though of the emperor  as one bad azz Mother F*&&&^  vut  by the end of episode  3  we  see him cackling like an idiot.  when yoda first trys  to fight him  palpatine tries to run and hide like some scared bitch. he is shown to be one of the biggest morons in history. He force fries his own  face into a crisp and why is still  anyones guess.  mace is clearly  blocking the lighting and it is frying  palpatine so why  doesnt he just STOP  shooting the lighting  instead if  crying  like a baby  about not being able to hold on

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#463978
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your impressions before the PT films about yoda and palpatine
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Did anyone in their mind   believe that yoda and the emperor  knew each other when they were young or were old enemies who had fought in the past  as younger sith/jedi?

I always believed yoda and the emperor were  close to the same age  and   were old foes.   As  it  turns out the emperor is not an old man at all he is just force lightening fried to look old.

 

 Other impressions  I  always  had was that Luke was taken to dagobah   when he was a kid  before going to uncle owen.  I  remember reading in starlog that kurtz  said  luke  was taken there  immediately after him and lukes mom and leia  were split up.  This is why luke says   the comment "there is something   familiar about this place"  Also  that dagobah  was  the home planet   of the sith.  The  scene where  luke cuts off vaders head is  inside what most call a cave  and even some books  call it a cave but it is really a temple. when luke looks inside the room  where he sees vader you can  see the outline  of a concrete door.  it is not a cave or tree. This is why it is strong with the dark side of the force. Also this is why yoda chose that planet to hide on.  No one would think to look for a jedi oin the home world of the sith.

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#463934
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The Clone Wars messes up continuity or how Lucas is still destroying star wars.
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TMBTM said:

It always was very clear to me that the EU, even when approved by Lucas, could be thrown away at any moment Lucas wants to make something "SW canon", like new movies and TV series.

In other words I never took the EU as SW canon. I'm surprised you did Skyjedi ;)

the only pieces outside of the OT films I have enjoyed are  Rebel Mission to ord mantel and droid world.  Believe it or not the clone wars show on cartoon network is much better than the PT films. Anakin is actually like-able and behaves like a noble mature jedi knight.  A shame it is a little to late to do the right thing now.

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#462460
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Was star wars truly meant for children?
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Lucas now more than ever claims star wars  is meant for little kids and he usually says that as a reason why their is a jar jar and other childish antics in the PT films. He says  "kids love them"

I have a hard time  believing he started star wars with little kids in mind.  When you watch a new hope. Which is the only OT films that truly has lucas stamp on it in the same fashion as the PT films. He wrote it. He directed it. The only  real difference is with a new hope unlike the pt films he had talented people  surrounding him. Kurtz especially.

When you watch a new hope  you do not  see any jar jar type creatures that clearly play to the little kiddies. You do not have the  3rd grade humor that the PT films have. It is a fantasy picture but it  has adult elements and it is a serious film.  It is not dumb downed. More than that when you  look at the long lines  around the theaters back then and  the hundreds of people stretched around the block you see mostly  adults. You see adults getting married in star wars shirts, adults dancing to  star wars disco.  Sure star wars appealed to kids  just as much as adults but the point is with the OT films you could be either a child or adult  and they appealed to both. With the PT films they appeal to mostly children while  adults look at them and shake their head at all the childish and silly scenes and childish screenplays. The OT films had a sense  or  seriousness about them. It was a galaxy suffering under the rule of an evil empire. With heros struggling to restore freedom. That is not childish  in anyway. THe PT story arc was suppose to be about the rise and fall of a republic. With the guardians and heros of that republic being hunted down and killed all the while a WAR was suppose to be going on. (the clone wars)  how did lucas get childish immature ideas  out of that back story?

Now all lucas wants to say is  'these  pictures dont have to be good or serious they are meant for children.

That is what he says now but those of us who are old enough to remember  how he us to be and have access to old magazine interviews know the truth. he was lucas comment on that topic back in 1980

 

"Star Wars was done with all the energy and intelligence and thought that I could muster. it was not done like "Oh, this is just a kids movie , so we don't have to worry about it" it was done like  "this is going to be the best movie that can possibly be made under the circumstances" I think that because of that attitude, star wars shines among all the other films that are done in the science fiction genre." - George Lucas circa 1980 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#461467
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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avoidz said:

generalfrevious said:

In the end, it's all pointless. We are being sold a product that does not contain the product itself.

The only reason we consider the OT good is because we are viewing with nostalgia-colored lenses. If you objectively look at the franchise, SW gets an F based on the PT alone. If you look at the OT itself, it ranges from B+ to D+, depending on your view of ROTJ. LFL is being run by people who should be in a mental hospital; nowadays any DVD they put out is absolute shit. The GOUT is the undisputed champion in having the worst transfer in video history.

I know this may sound tasteless, but maybe GL should have died in that car accident back in '62. We wouldn't have Jar-Jar if that happened.

Very tasteless. The man maybe a shadow of himself these days, but back then he was part of the new wave taking on Hollywood and reshaping it.

And it's not nostalgia; the original movies were great and people loved them at the time, not just years later.

"And it's not nostalgia; the original movies were great and people loved them at the time, not just years later."

I too am sick and tired of people claiming the only reason we love the OT  so much is because of nostalgia and  cause it makes us feel like kids again.  That is such BS.

Even as a kid  of  6 7 8 yrs old I knew  garbage  films from good films.I loved the OT films cause they were not just action pieces full of special effects. They were dramatic and exciting and touching. You fell in love  with the characters and felt a connection to them. Our dad took  my brother and I to see many films when we were kids. I remeber going to see arthur with dudley moore and remember laughing so hard and loving the movie and loving the theme song. The  same held true for time bandits and and 9 to 5, the private eyes with don knotts and tim conway. These films were all good for  many different reasons.  some for great humor some for great drama and characters and some all of the above. Then there were films I felt were total pieces of  crap. Ghostbusters 2,Return to OZ,  Godzilla 1985, He-Man.

 

Kids are smarter then we think. Most of us grow older and become adults and we  forget that as children we  had our own taste and could distinguish between  garbage films and quality films. Some is a matter of personal taste. Others is just out right good vs  bad if one can see past his or her own bias.

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#460917
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old cameras used for PT films
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aside from the  awful  scripts  and too much cgi  and plot holes  one of the things that really upset me  with the PT  films were they looked too different from the OT films. the PT  was  shot digital  and it looked more bright and crisp  so I was thinking could lucas have  gotten some of the old cameras he used to   film   empire or return of the jedi?   If so they would have tied in more perfect with the OT film  as they would have looked the same.

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#460916
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Return of the Jedi cut-scene
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Mielr said:

It not only looks like Mark Hamill's face- but it looks like his hands as well.

I don't know how HK can say that was "not Mark", especially since Mark says he now remembers shooting the scene.....

It's like a car crash with 10 witnesses, and 10 different reports of the accident.

I would say he is saying that because even mark hamil says he did not do these scene.

if how you say he is saying NOW he did it  then I  suggest lucas is spending some money and saying  "hey old buddy  do me a favor  and say you did this" Surly  everyone by now  knows lucas is not to be trusted and WILL DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO   make more money from star wars

 

here is the video of hamil  saying he did not do the scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XczClAxhCEM&feature=grec_index

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#460769
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Luke building his lightsaber in return of the jedi video
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18O-Rj2MP9Q&NR=1

 

this is a delated scene suppose to be put on the blue ray dvds.  According to mark hamil this is not him and he did not film a scene like this. Here is the interview with hamil where he says this.  What is george up to now? More lies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XczClAxhCEM&feature=grec_index

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#460740
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Some (not so kind) words about Lucas by Mel Smith
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DuracellEnergizer said:

I don't see what's wrong with resuscitating dead/aged actors with digital technology. How else am I ever going to see Vincent Price lower Lady Gaga into a pot of boiling oil? 

I like the idea of dead actors being used in films. I would love to see a new bogart or john wayne film.  My objection is  the use of  cgi characters in  films that have already been made and  altering films  from the past.

 

Make new films to your hearts content but leave history alone.

CGI could be used for not just actors but musicians as well. I would love to see  new concerts of Elvis or Waylon Jennings or  Gram Parsons. The possibilities  are endless. 

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#460706
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Can the story of the prequels be fit into only three films?
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the godfather is indeed a very different type of film but I was just pointing out it is possible to have a character  go from noble and good to evil in the period of  3 hrs or 3 films.

 

does anyone like the idea of another film set between episode  3 and 4?  I think it has many things that could be shown. For one vader hunting down  what is left of the jedi. Vader says in episode 6 that obi-wan once thought as luke did when luke was telling him to come with him and  it is not too late. We could see  obi-wan trying to approach vader and get him to turn back to the good side.  There is a scene in episode 4 where vader tells  ben on the death star  "YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE COME BACK"   as if  ben had been on the death star before and  when  ben and luke and han first see the death star they debate what it and and then all the sudden   ben says  "its a space station"  I know the force told him that but it is possible that ben had seen it before or even been in it. Ben could  approach vader in this film on the death  star when he tries to get  him to go back to the good side.  It could also have scenes of qui-gon training obi-wan on tattoine.It could show and give reasons why owen dislikes  ben so much.

 

I think there are many good things  a film in the middle could show and touch on.

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#460600
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Can the story of the prequels be fit into only three films?
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I have thought about this many times my self.

 

it  can be done though. Look at the godfather for example. micheale starts out hating his fathers ways and  claims he would never become a man like his father.  he starts out innocent and a war hero  and eventully through  circumstances..(the  killing of his brother and fredo being inept)  he sinks into the abyss of his fathers ways    and  by the end of the movie he is even worse than his farther.

 

 

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#460353
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The Worst thing about the prequel films for me as a fan.
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skyjedi2005 said:

Furthermore the fact that Anakin is more fleshed out as a character in the novels and comics as well as the 2 different clone wars animated series proves Lucas is a hack who cannot write.

Also the characters follow very little logic for what motivates them or compels them to comiit the actions they do in the prequel films.

It is the writing and characters where the films come apart and are hollow.  The visuals hold up, even if there is a bit of over reliance on cgi.

It is really a shame because someone could have come in and added all these things to the scripts in rewrites of Lucas skeleton plot, that followed and weaved a tale consistent withe the original trilogy from 1977-1983.

 

I would not be surprised to hear that Lucas asked Kasden and he was turned down, but it is probably more likely he wanted to control all aspects of the films creation and thought he could slide on by with nothing but visuals and people would overlook the lack of story because of the great visual quality.

It fits with his idea of cinema verite and non story content in films, a purely visual film that tells the story in visuals and carries it along with music and sound effects.

Lucas did ask Kasdan and yes kasdan turned him down. he said he did not  by the  anakin being a klid  story line and he did not think audiences would either. he went on to say that  he would just be trying to change lucas vision and its best if he did it by himself.  he knew the ot story line was crap.

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#459782
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The Empire Strikes Back inducted into the Library of Congress National Film Registry.
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Welcome Boba,

 

Speaking of Jeremy Bulloch  I was watching the special editions  over the weelkend on spike  and the new vpice   for boba sounds soooo stupid.  and another example og how much lucas hates these films and  doers not care how much he keeps ruining them.  I cant believe  they added a scene to empire  that was  pretty much cut and pasted  out of return of the jedi.  you can even see commander from jedi standing there.

 

empire was a flawless film in my eyes till  lucas  got his hands on it.I firmly believe lucas  has a deep rooted hate for these films deep inside  and for us fans.

He has changed so much. its like in the 70s  he was elvis or ricky nelson and now he is justine timberlake or  or 50 cent. THe man has become worthless.

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#459133
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anothe example of lucas changing things to appeal to a new generation lightsaber dueling styles of OT vs PT
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TheBoost said:

haljordan28 said:

I watch the clone wars cartoon at times.  it is miles    ahead of the PT films   as far as writing goes.  at least anakin  acts like a noble jedi  and doesn't  cry and whine like a little baby.  a shame he did not behave that way in the films

"Clone Wars" is just as much full of Lucas's lies, inconsistencies, and dramatically changed style as the PT.

So your furious indignation has nothing to do with Lucas's lies and bullshit, or changing styles to appeal to the new      generation. It just has to do with whether you personally enjoy a particular show or not?

You're clearly a lad man of great character.

I did not say the clone wars was GOOD. I said i watch it at times and  said its better than the PT films. I base that one anakins character.  he actually behaves like he has some sense and some honor and some dignity.  He does not cry and whine like a little  baby every other scene.

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#459118
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Idea & Looking for: Original, High quality, Widescreen, un-edited Star Wars on DVD.
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Good idea  if you have the time and money to do it properly. I would google search how to do this and call around to some local shops in your area that does this sort of thing and get advice from those in the know.

 

What you  are doing is a great idea and I am sure would piss off Lucas. That alone makes it worth doing.

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#459117
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Lucas deserves no credit and no benefit of the doubt. the man is a worthless piece of shit. An out right LIER.

 

I truly believe  deep down Lucas hates star  wars. Maybe he blames  star wars for losing his wife marcia. Who knows. I personally believe his ego took over.

I have a 1996 entertainment weekly  where Lucas says he has no intention of directing episodes 2 and 3.  After episode 1 got bashed so bad he probably figured he had to redeem himself so he stepped up to the plate again and  struck  out.

His ego will not let him admit   his prequels which he did on his own SUCK. He hates the fact that the film that gets the mos praise episode  5 he  pretty much had NOTHING to do with. He now sees the entire franchise  a something that has ruined him name and reputation and uses it strictly has a tool now to make more money.

 

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#458999
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anothe example of lucas changing things to appeal to a new generation lightsaber dueling styles of OT vs PT
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well in the clone wars cartoon which takes place before episode 3 anakin is called a JEDI MASTER.  so  it never  ends.  more and more BS  thanks to poor Lucas.

 

here are some other great complaints which I happen to agree with..

 

"I don't understand what happened to Obi-Wan in the battle sequence. Dooku throws Obi-Wan aside, nearly breaking his back against a wall, and then he uses the Force to clearly crush Obi-Wan's legs under a giant walkway. You see Obi-Wan's body slide forward as his lower half gets mangled under the crushing weight of the platform. I assumed that both of his legs were completely crushed. However, after the duel, Anakin simply removes Obi-Wan without any trouble and puts him on his back. Obi-Wan does not spend the rest of the movie in a wheelhover chair as expected, but rather has suffered no damage at all to his legs and regains consciousness just seconds before swinging out an elevator door and getting up to run around again."

 

"Georgie Boy just couldn't help himself. He had to insert the Millennium Falcon into Revenge of the Sith. Perhaps his lament that a five-year-old Han Solo may have been unnecessary was only overcome by this move. I can imagine him wrestling with his emotions, trying to fight it. His hands trembling as he reaches for his pen and finally gives in and writes it into the script. Afterwards, he must have gasped, tossed his pen aside and grinned his needle-toothed grin.

Fanboys will undoubtedly argue that it was not the Falcon but merely another Corellian freighter that resembled it. I refuse to believe that that is the case after spending the past six years seeing a baby Greedo, Chewbacca, the Tantive IV, Death Star plans and a ten year old Boba Fett. The only thing that surprises me is that the Millennium Falcon does not sweep across the foreground followed by a scene where a five-year-old Lando Calrissian loses the ship to a five-year-old Solo in a game of sabaac."

"The Jedi have no shortage of chances to give everyone's favorite miscreant, Anakin Skywalker, the ability to destroy the galaxy. Anakin is clearly bad news. He has rage-inspired outbursts. He doesn't seem to appreciate the Jedi dress code and insists on wearing dark black. He loves to scowl. He shouts. He is impatient. He has trouble taking and accepting orders. He occasionally flips out and kills entire groups of people. So why is it that the Jedi continually give him more responsibilities?

Mace Windu: Master Yoda, we suspect the Sith Lord is someone high up in government. Someone very close to Palpatine.

Yoda: Close to Palpatine he is. With Palpatine Skywalker must stay. Learn of the Sith Lord he will.

Mace Windu: Good idea, Master Yoda. We will let Skywalker hang out in the midst of the Sith Lord. Our shakiest, most powerful, most unstable Jedi will do just fine in this assignment.

Yoda: A stroke of brilliance this Council has made."

 

 

Once again it has happened. In keeping with the true spirit of Star Wars, Lucas has decided to take the bad moves of the past and not smooth them over, but rather, highlight and elaborate on them in the new movies. One of the foulest moments of Return of the Jedi was when Chewbacca swung onto the AT-ST and let out his famous Tarzan yell. Some (myself included) feel that having Chewbacca yell in the manner of Tarzan, a character from Earth literature and film, was a rather poor move. Lucas, however, uses his own judgment. In his eyes, this moment was clearly an excellent move, a brilliant thing to have happen in a galaxy far, far away! So, in Revenge of the Sith, we are treated to what we can only assume is a traditional Wookiee war cry. And what's more, is that it's double the fun! What's the only thing better than a Wookiee swinging from a rope and yelling like Tarzan? Why, of course, two Wookiees swinging from a rope and yelling like Tarzan."

"Don't you wonder why the Jedi Council won't make you a Master?" "They don't trust you." "I would doubt the Council's judgment if they didn't choose you for this mission."

Why is Anakin such an idiot? How does he not see that he is being manipulated? It's as if Palpatine is reciting from The Beginner's Guide to Manipulating an Idiot.

"You must kill all the Jedi in the temple and then kill everyone in the Mustafar system. Then you will be powerful enough in the dark side to save Padme."

"Okay, do you think that will work?"

"Oh, yes, Anakin. Kill all the Jedi, especially the babies and the children, and you will be able to save Padme's life."

"Wow, it's so simple. Thanks Palps!"

*High Five*

Palpatine actually says that he must kill all the Jedi in the temple, that only then will he be strong enough with the Force to save Padme. Anakin sees no problem with this. It seems to naturally follow that he will gain the power to save his wife by killing all his friends.

Then, and this is what should really burn Anakin up, Palpatine informs Anakin that after he does this they will be able to figure out how this whole stopping people from dying thing actually works.Admiting he does not even know how"

Mace Windu decides, after getting information from Anakin, that he is going to confront and arrest Chancellor Palpatine. He picks as his helpers what would appear to be three of the shabbiest Jedi he could find.

It's apparent that the intent of this scene was to show how powerful Sidious is. Unfortunately, it fails for two reasons. 1.) We haven't really seen these Jedi do anything worthy of note. Aside from Kit Fisto deflecting blaster fire from battle droids in the previous movie (which, if these movies are any indicator, it seems anyone holding a lightsaber is able to do), we haven't seen him do anything outside of the cartoon series to show that he is even a subpar Jedi. Given our lack of knowledge about the inept Jedi "Masters" that Palpatine faces, he might as well be striking down his cleaning lady. 2.) The Jedi die so quickly, by such weak attacks, that they just look like a collection of fools.

If they'd already been shown as skilled swordsmen, then it would be quite shocking that Palpatine dispatched them so easily. Unfortunately, we don't know them from a hole in the wall, so Palpatine's seemingly harmless attacks make them look like unskilled circus performers."

 

"Palpatine  force frying himself..However, the real question is this: if Mace Windu can deflect Palpatine's Force lightning, then why does Palpatine continue to blast it in his direction and subsequently fry his own face? Is it for effect? Does he want to look more evil? Or does he want to look more like an alien from Babylon 5?"

 

"Anakin, being a Grade A doofus, decides that he must save Palpatine from the clutches of the vile Jedi MACE WINDU! So, he chops off Windu's hand and has Palpatine blast him to death with some more of that sweet, sweet Force lightning. He does this for two reasons: 1) He wishes to have Palpatine stand trial and 2) He wants to learn the secrets of keeping people alive so that Padme won't die. However, reason number one goes out the window (along with Mace Windu) as soon as he chops of Mace's hand. In the course of two minutes, Anakin has gone from the Jedi who wants to turn in Palpatine and bring him to trial, to the Jedi who is surrendering to Palpatine, becoming his apprentice and slaughtering a room full of children. I feel sorry for anyone who chose that two-minute stretch to use the rest room."

The first six hours of the prequel trilogy makes one thing perfectly clear: the Jedi can deflect an infinite amount of blaster fire with their lightsabers without taking so much as a single hit. It's interesting that the Jedi have the ability to flip and spin around, deflecting blaster fire from 360 degrees while destroying battle droids. However, it seems to take no more than four clone troopers shooting at them from the same direction to kill a Jedi It also doesn't help that the Jedi's ability to read emotions or sense any form of danger seems to not exist in the prequels. It must be the "shroud of the dark side," right?"

The way Obi-Wan describes Vader's treachery to Luke makes it sound like it was quite a task indeed. What Obi-Wan does not explain is that there was very little hunting involved. What Vader actually did was show up and kill everyone. "It was quite easy, really," Obi-Wan might have explained. "It only really took Vader about twenty minutes. But what a hunt it was!""

To say that Chewbacca has a useless part in Revenge of the Sith would be putting it lightly. Aside from having Yoda crawl all over him like he was some sort of jungle gym, he seems to serve absolutely no purpose in the administrative or military actions on Kashyyyk. Presumably, the only purpose he serves is to give fanboys tingles up their spines. And in case you are an alien, from another planet, that was born yesterday, and is really, really, tremendously out of touch with the world around you, Yoda conveniently says, "Goodbye... Chew... bacc... a." This is followed with a six-minute still of Chewbacca's big Wookiee head as he howls for the camera.

Yoda decides that he and Obi-Wan must split up, because any good plan usually begins with splitting up. Yoda will take care of Palpatine, and Obi-Wan will kill Anakin. Obi-Wan disagrees with this plan, because he doesn't think he can kill Anakin, being that they are so close. It is unclear why, seeing that Anakin is so far away, they don't both attack Palpatine together, then go for Anakin together as well. It's especially puzzling since every single battle the Jedi have had with the Sith have been two-on-one affairs: Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan versus Darth Maul, Obi-Wan and Anakin versus Count Dooku, Obi-Wan and Anakin versus Count Dooku again. I worry about the collective wisdom of Obi-Wan and Yoda if they choose now to finally level the playing field and have a fair one-on-one fight.

 

The Properties of Lava (Sweat? Battle + Lava = No sweat)
This battle ends up with Anakin and Obi-Wan riding hover-platforms mere feet over a lava flow. Now, I'm all for fantastic fantasy elements in movies (particularly Star Wars movies), but suspending disbelief at this point is beyond difficult. Given that lava is generally around 2000 degrees Fahrenheit (1093 degrees Celsius), I find it difficult to believe that Anakin and Obi-Wan not only have no problems battling without bursting into flames, but that they don't even break a sweat! You would think that the stress and exertion of combat alone would cause at least a few beads of sweat to form on their brows. Of course, the mysteries of the Force always allow for apologist excuses in any case. They were most likely using the secret Force climate-control technique to keep cool.

Yoda lets Obi-Wan know that he has training for Obi-Wan while he's in solitude on Tatooine. Yoda has heard word from Qui-Gon Jinn and Qui-Gon has apparently "learned the path to immortality." This is, of course, an attempt to explain why everyone's favorite Jedi can always reappear as a Jedi apparition after their death.

The script and the novel both went into greater detail about how Qui-Gon Jinn communicated to Yoda and explained that he had learned a neat little trick about how to become "one with the Force" after death. It is a little difficult to swallow since Qui-Gon learned the secret of immortality after he died. But, I guess the Force midi-chlorians move in mysterious ways.

Another interesting question raised by this plot element is how Darth Vader seems to learn the same skill. Was he Force-eavesdropping on Obi-Wan while he communed with Qui-Gon on Tatooine? Did the Emperor teach him this trick? If so, why didn't the Emperor crash the party that the dead Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin had on Endor at the end of Return of the Jedi? Perhaps we will see the Emperor in the newer edition of Return of the Jedi when the six-film DVD set is released. I would fully expect a climax of 20 additional minutes where the three dead Jedi fight the dead Emperor using lightsabers. How will it turn out? We'll have to wait and see."

 

 

 

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#458993
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anothe example of lucas changing things to appeal to a new generation lightsaber dueling styles of OT vs PT
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TV frink and Alex  are the only ones who need  warnings  or flat out banned.  they   behave childish and  throw personal insults and why?  because I missspell words or  because I  say something they do not like?   how about  showing some maturity  and  respond to my points  and stop being insulting   to every post I make because you dislike what I have to say.

 

and I agree with  all the points made here about the  jedi masters  being the wise sage who  are   retired jedi knights who are the trainers now.  even gary kurtz  said having yoda  saber duel ruins his character.  not to mention the whole   medichorlin thing.   it takes away the spirtual aspect of the force.   now instead of saying  "may the force be with you"  you  should say  "may the midicholrins in your blood be with you.

 

and  on the  whole jedi knight jedi master  thing.  here is another  thing that points to lucas  pathetic  writing. at the  start of episode 1  the opening crawl  says   TWO JEDI KNIGHTS  are dispatched  to handle the trade  dispute  and then only at the end is obi wan awarded  the title of JEDI KNIGHT.

 

and dont you  find it odd generial  grivious  caughs  considering he has NO LUNGS!

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anothe example of lucas changing things to appeal to a new generation lightsaber dueling styles of OT vs PT
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ChainsawAsh said:

2 hour long Power Ranger episodes?  I don't think so.

They were overly flashy and didn't have much logic to them, I agree with that.  A Jedi should be able to hold his own in a duel while conserving as much energy as possible, which would be accomplished by only striking or defending when necessary.  Doing unnecessary flips and twirls ruins that, and makes the Jedi look ridiculous.

But Power Rangers?  Come on.

I find it  also hard to believe that a jedi and sith are so well trained in the art of saber dueling   considering no jedi  on the council had ever even seen a sith much less  battle one.  i guess they all stand in a room with those balls shooting lasers  and  spar with one another.

 

just another pathetic example of lucas pathetic prequel  story telling