Aw, but Bit is one of the best characters! I always laugh out loud at it's freaked out "Nononononononono!" when Flynn is flying the Recognizer.
I'm having trouble with part 4 on megaupload. The same "temporarily unavailable" problem as I gather others have had with other parts.
A friend of mine and I were talking about this today after seeing Legacy. We were talking more about tightening up the editing of the first film and rescoring it, though.
And I was continuing the joke.
hey, just tint the Schindler's list footage blue, add some scan lines, and voila! holographics!
I think there may be a (tiny) slight green tint.
I don't think it looks bad, but it does remind me of a way-less-crazy version of a few shots from the end of The Matrix: Revolutions.
Aw, man, are you guys still doing nerf?
I sorta wanted this:
I really like the idea of Ben taking the name of "Obi-Wan" when he becomes a Jedi Knight. I had a friend who did the same thing when she was confirmed in becoming a nun, and it adds additional monk-ish parallels to the Jedi of the Republic.
WheresBlackhawk, did you ever write out that EP3 treatment you talked about? If you did, I would love to read it - I have just finished mainlining this thread and I have to say that I thought your ideas were generally brilliant.
It threw me right off.
Yeah, better if he just says "Fett."
Or one could go all ESB and do it as "bounty hunter" throughout.
I don't know if it's Imageshack, my computer, my new location, or some evil concatenation of all three, but I can't see half of these mockups now being posted (and all of them are at Imageshack).
I hope he paints green and blue stripes on the wall.
Looking forward to it!
I third the recommendation of seeing a doctor, if your healthcare options are open.
Migraines like what you've had before would be one thing, but going blind for six hours and them lasting longer than usual? That would make me, at least, want to know what's going on inside my skull.
Or perhaps my addiction to films have taught me that all such instances are foreshadowing. :p
I remember when I first read it it seemed so huge. It was only about twenty pages long, then.
Well, I would say a number of us know him for his dialogue. Just not good dialogue.
Where in Texas are you going, A-Man? I live near Houston and work there.
Bingo, I don't know what happened to your copies, but the ones up at demonoid are the right ones. Ep II and III are different filesizes, and I just redownloaded the torrent to make sure the Ep II was the right one and it is.
balls. I don't know how that happened. I'll double-check and reup.
(but it won't be until tonight)
Bingowings said:Just in case the chappy or chapette who uploaded these as trnts onto a popular site is lurking around here Episode II is in fact Episode III duplicated and mislabeled.
Slim chance that said person is wandering around here but one never can tell.
Ook. You mean me? From the d-noid?
Bingowings said:EyeShotFirst said:vaderios said:You remind me the utopic captain nemo who had luxury in Nautilus...
ITs a submarine damn it haha.
So the death star should have that metal look.
It works with the viewer's minds too.
-Angel
It matches the rest of the death star to. I think that they are kind of stupid keeping him in a high rise tower. It wouldnt take much to take that thing down.
My mockup a few pages back was a bit Vernesque maybe I should add some candle sconces and a pipe organ ;-)
Of the two, I think I preferred Bingowings Jules Verne-ish, almost steampunk style. That was pretty gorgeous.
yeah sswr, that makes sense.
Monroville said:guitarfan01 said:
end of 128 INT. CORUSCANT-CHANCELLOR’S OFFICE-EARLY EVENING
*MACE WINDU is defenestrated by Palpy's lightning*
ANAKIN sits down heavily, in shock at the turn of events he has precipitated.
PALPATINE: You are fulfilling your destiny, Anakin. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the dark side of the Force.
ANAKIN: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Padme's life.
ANAKIN kneels before Palpatine.
PALPATINE: Good, good.
And that is where the problem begins: to have Windu killed right in front of you and then the guy who you protected essentially turns around and says, "Yup, he was right; I AM the bad guy" and then Anakin goes "Okay!"... well, that is about the most WTF moment I can think of.
I like someone else's idea of Anakin charging at Palps and having it cut away as Palps fires his lightning; the idea being that you could essentially "kill" Anakin right there and from that point on show Darth Vader (in costume or just darken/alter Anakin's face for the rest of the movie) or add a scene or two of Anakin being "conditioned" by Palps (with or without said Kaiber Crystal that was used to torture him per my earlier suggestion) - this would make Anakin even more tragic in that he never really fell to the DSOF so much as was brainwashed into it.
- something else I just thought of too: when Luke is getting zapped by Palps, regardless of Ady or anyone putting audio or video "flashbacks" when Vader is looking on, to have the corollary to Anakin being zapped when Windu is killed (which led to his torture, confession and conversion), it would make the torture of Han in EMPIRE as well as his inflection on seeing Palps do to his son the beginning of the same process of what was done to him would add to Vader's character ie. that Vader understands the power of torture in that it was mental and force-powered torture that converted him to the point of being a willing believer and thus when doing it to Han or Leia - be it ANH or EMPIRE- he almost relishes it. Yet when it happens to Luke, with the added implication of what is to come AFTERWARDS (for the Prequel edits, maybe take scenes from A CLOCKWORK ORANGE and replace Malcolm McD with Hayden) and THAT is why Vader kills Palpatine.Then again, Palps was intending to just straight-up kill Luke, but you get the idea. Maybe a corollary could be made between the Windu scene and Luke - have Windu not thrown out the window quite as suddenly but have him tortured a bit before being sent to his death, with Anakin watching helplessly (maybe being paralyzed with a lightning blast before Windu gets it, so while Ani is sitting upright, paralyzed but conscious, he has to watch what happens).
Oh, right. I meant to chop that "dark side" line. Whoops.
The whole thing with Palpy here is that he's trying to portray the Sith as basically an alternate religion of the force, focussing on the use of the Force as a power source instead of as a guide or way of life. He's claiming that he gathers power through the Sith teachings in order to make things better. That's what I tried to convey through that edit of the scene. Obviously, I kind of failed.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:guitarfan01 said:ben_danger said:omg, david lynch turned down rotj??? i dont blame him, but it could have been SO much better!!
i have been thinking of an ESB style dream sequences. i love how the original clone wars series showed a dream of anakin and qui gon at the tree, and especially thought that anakins prophetic dream was really well delivered.
in regards to the alternative timing for the jedi purge as suggested by guitarfan, i have two ideas (one more radical than the other)
1 (less radical)
we build up mace windus character as a bit of a paranoid ass. he is constantly putting down anakin and palpatine, his suspicions have turned this once great master to a a bit of a loose cannon. during ROTS, he builds up suspicions that palpatine is the dark lord, an idea that is too dreadful or extreme to even be considered by the council.
at the crunch point of the film, mace decides to take matters into his own hands "i sence a plot to destroy the jedi", "if the chancellor does not relinquish his powers then he should be removed from office." mace does this (from a certain point of view) he (possibly alone) confronts the chancellor, declaring his intention to save democracy and the jedi order, palpatine coldly replies "you're too late".
we now cut to a montage of the jedi being slaughtered as windu and palpatine battle. it makes the jedi's battle seem futile and tragic, that even if windu is victorious in slaying palpatine, hehas still failed to stop the massacre. anakin rushes in and saves the chancellor from the obviously delusional jedi.
this idea would fit in well if we try and direct it more from anakins point of view. mace obviously isnt a paranoid ass, but if we force the viewer to only see 60% of the real story, then he may appear to be, so we are betrayed into thinking the obvious bad guy is the good guy.
2 (more radical)
obi wan defeats grevious, ending the clone war. a message is sent to the jedi to return to coruscant to celebrate the event. the streets of the capital are flooded with people chanting palpatines name. anakin looks happy with padme, and it feels like the film is going to end with this wonderful feeling of victory (like the end of TPM, but bigger and less gay).
anakin goes to visit palpatine, who is surrounded by senators, who are waiting for him to go the senate hall for the resigning ceremony. the senators leave. at this point palpatine reveals to anakin that he is the sith lord.
the film continues as usual or alternatively the 'less radical' paranoid mace windu can be intertwined with this.
enstead of the jedi being killed in the field of battle, they are enstead massacred in the temple, hundreds of thousands of troops charge, overwhelming them completley. yoda and obi wan are the only two who escape, who then follow through to their respective battles. anakin believes palpatine's lies etc.
i would like to see this idea, as it would be a complete emotional flip. as we near 2/3 into the film, we think we are about to get to a happy ending, for everything to go horribly wrong in the final act. it would be great for the celebration to be in daylight to contrast the burning jedi temple in the evening.
let me know if you even read all of this.;) idea 2 needs a bit more work.
has anyone ever wanted to see an edit of ROTS where there is a happy ending? my GF hates watching it because it upsets her too much.:P
WOW WOW WOW! That is head and shoulders above what I was working on! I love those ideas, especially Mace Windu being a paranoid, and intercutting the Mace/Palpatine duel with the Great Jedi Purge. I also love the idea of a false "happy ending" just before the rug is pulled out from under the first time viewer. The trick would be to build up Grievous into the major villian of the movie so that the viewer would believe that killing him would end the film, and to push the whole "sith lord" thing into the back of the viewers' minds. Perhaps a complete lack of Sidious in the entire PT except for a holographic conversation with Nute Gunray in the first movie? What appears to be a throwaway character turns out to be the orchestrator of everything? I'm not sure.
I myself was basing my ideas more on what others (esp JasonN and GoodMusician) have done in their edits. As I said before, I always thought that Anakin's sudden wild swing into the depths of the Dark Side was rather unbelievable.
OK, how is this for a radical idea: instead of killing off Dooku at the beginning thus having to have general grievous be the new leader of the droid army...why not switch it all up? At the beginning of the movie have grievous be some other villian for some other purpose (maybe he information...maybe he knows where Palpatine/Dooku is...?), Obiwan kills him, Obi and Anakin meet up, space battle, find Palps, kill Dooku, END WAR. From AOTC we already associate Dooku with being in control of the droid army. Remember what Obi said to Anakin in AOTC: "If we catch him we could end this war right now!". With this structure, it's easier for the audience to follow...Why did Lucas add grievous to ROTS?
I by no means haven't figured out the specifics so I don't know if it will work...but that makes more sense IMHO.
I LOVE IT! I really really love it! Start out with Kenobi fighting Grievous, make that the opening battle sequence, then go to the intrigue scenes on Coruscant with the senators and Anakin being (less of) a whiny b*astard about not being granted Mastership, etc, then the Separatist fleet jumps into Coruscant orbit and grabs Palpatine while Kenobi and Skywalker are off somewhere else. Then Palpatine announces the end of the war, doesn't abdicate the emergency powers, and Mace & co. go to try to arrest him, and things proceed from there. The more intrigue we can include from the deleted scenes, the better, I think. The question is how to get good continutity and throughlines for each character. What is Yoda doing? Is he on Kashyyyk at the beginning? On Coruscant? (I think Kashyyyk at the time of the Chancellor's "abduction" at least) Why isn't he taken through Order 66? (would be awesome if he had been there to lead the defense of the Jedi Temple and had been responsible for saving a group of students or something. There's really not enough noble self-sacrifice in ROTS) How does Yoda end up on the Tantive IV? Does he?
brash_stryker said:Bingowings said:I wish there was a way to show the Palpatine transformation in a more subtle way (he has almost two decades of evil to turn into the pale prune face we see inROTJ).
It would be more acceptable to me if the lightning accident doesn't happen at all but he slowing becomes consumed by the dark forces he is using.
Totally agree. This is just another example of George's "explain EVERYTHING" attitude with the prequels. I personally like the idea of a first time viewer reaching Empire, and thinking "wow, the dark side really has done a number on him"
Completely agreed here, too.
too bad I dont' have an RS account anymore. Oh the irony.
ben_danger said:omg, david lynch turned down rotj??? i dont blame him, but it could have been SO much better!!
i have been thinking of an ESB style dream sequences. i love how the original clone wars series showed a dream of anakin and qui gon at the tree, and especially thought that anakins prophetic dream was really well delivered.
in regards to the alternative timing for the jedi purge as suggested by guitarfan, i have two ideas (one more radical than the other)
1 (less radical)
we build up mace windus character as a bit of a paranoid ass. he is constantly putting down anakin and palpatine, his suspicions have turned this once great master to a a bit of a loose cannon. during ROTS, he builds up suspicions that palpatine is the dark lord, an idea that is too dreadful or extreme to even be considered by the council.
at the crunch point of the film, mace decides to take matters into his own hands "i sence a plot to destroy the jedi", "if the chancellor does not relinquish his powers then he should be removed from office." mace does this (from a certain point of view) he (possibly alone) confronts the chancellor, declaring his intention to save democracy and the jedi order, palpatine coldly replies "you're too late".
we now cut to a montage of the jedi being slaughtered as windu and palpatine battle. it makes the jedi's battle seem futile and tragic, that even if windu is victorious in slaying palpatine, hehas still failed to stop the massacre. anakin rushes in and saves the chancellor from the obviously delusional jedi.
this idea would fit in well if we try and direct it more from anakins point of view. mace obviously isnt a paranoid ass, but if we force the viewer to only see 60% of the real story, then he may appear to be, so we are betrayed into thinking the obvious bad guy is the good guy.
2 (more radical)
obi wan defeats grevious, ending the clone war. a message is sent to the jedi to return to coruscant to celebrate the event. the streets of the capital are flooded with people chanting palpatines name. anakin looks happy with padme, and it feels like the film is going to end with this wonderful feeling of victory (like the end of TPM, but bigger and less gay).
anakin goes to visit palpatine, who is surrounded by senators, who are waiting for him to go the senate hall for the resigning ceremony. the senators leave. at this point palpatine reveals to anakin that he is the sith lord.
the film continues as usual or alternatively the 'less radical' paranoid mace windu can be intertwined with this.
enstead of the jedi being killed in the field of battle, they are enstead massacred in the temple, hundreds of thousands of troops charge, overwhelming them completley. yoda and obi wan are the only two who escape, who then follow through to their respective battles. anakin believes palpatine's lies etc.
i would like to see this idea, as it would be a complete emotional flip. as we near 2/3 into the film, we think we are about to get to a happy ending, for everything to go horribly wrong in the final act. it would be great for the celebration to be in daylight to contrast the burning jedi temple in the evening.
let me know if you even read all of this.;) idea 2 needs a bit more work.
has anyone ever wanted to see an edit of ROTS where there is a happy ending? my GF hates watching it because it upsets her too much.:P
WOW WOW WOW! That is head and shoulders above what I was working on! I love those ideas, especially Mace Windu being a paranoid, and intercutting the Mace/Palpatine duel with the Great Jedi Purge. I also love the idea of a false "happy ending" just before the rug is pulled out from under the first time viewer. The trick would be to build up Grievous into the major villian of the movie so that the viewer would believe that killing him would end the film, and to push the whole "sith lord" thing into the back of the viewers' minds. Perhaps a complete lack of Sidious in the entire PT except for a holographic conversation with Nute Gunray in the first movie? What appears to be a throwaway character turns out to be the orchestrator of everything? I'm not sure.
I myself was basing my ideas more on what others (esp JasonN and GoodMusician) have done in their edits. As I said before, I always thought that Anakin's sudden wild swing into the depths of the Dark Side was rather unbelievable.
I'll quote my script so far at the bottom of this post; it really doesn't live up to the "radical" title of this thread, but now you've got my wheels really spinning, ben_danger. :D What I'm trying to do primarily is to make Anakin's turn to the Dark Side less sudden and less steep. He only really becomes hateful after the battle with Obi-Wan (coming soon). It seems to me that a lot of the dialogue about becoming a powerful Sith and such that I removed from the initiation scene could fit over the "Birth of Vader" sequence, and if the BoV is not even shown, we could have Palpatine talking to the suited Vader post-Mustafar as if Vader was a completely different person. My mind even goes so far as to consider that to maintain the dramatic suspense, Obi-Wan's line to Luke in ANH is modifiable to "A young Jedi named Darth Vader (pause) helped the Emperor hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights..." A quick check of the scene on DVD seems to indicate it would be feasible to do this. It doesn't quite solve the "Ben Kenobi is a lying b*stard" problem, though.
end of 128 INT. CORUSCANT-CHANCELLOR’S OFFICE-EARLY EVENING
*MACE WINDU is defenestrated by Palpy's lightning*
ANAKIN sits down heavily, in shock at the turn of events he has precipitated.
PALPATINE: You are fulfilling your destiny, Anakin. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the dark side of the Force.
ANAKIN: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Padme's life.
ANAKIN kneels before Palpatine.
PALPATINE: Good, good.
129 EXT. KASHYYYK-MEETING HALL-DAY
YODA winces, closes his eyes, and holds his head. He feels a disturbance in the Force.
130. INT. CORUSCANT-CHANCELLOR'S OFFICE-NIGHT
PALPATINE walks toward his desk and dons his dark cloak: he is now fully DARTH SIDIOUS. (14 s)
PALPATINE: I want you to go to the Jedi Temple.
ANAKIN is troubled by this.
ANAKIN: What about the other Jedi spread across the galaxy?
PALPATINE sits, not answering ANAKIN's question.
PALPATINE: After the Temple, go to the Mustafar system. Wipe out the Separatist leaders, and we shall have peace.
131 INT. CORUSCANT-JEDI TEMPLE ENTRY-NIGHT
ANAKIN goes to the Jedi Temple with a battalion of Clone Troopers.
132 EXT. UTAPAU-TENTH LEVEL-LANDIXG PLATFORM-DAY
The battle between the CLONES and the DROIDS rages throughout the sinkhole. OBI-WAN rides up to CLONE COMMANDER CODY.
OBI-WAN: Commander, contact your troops. Tell them to move to the higher levels.
CLONE COMMANDER CODY: Very good, sir.
CLONE COMMANDER CODY starts to move away, then remembers something and returns to OBI-WAN.
CLONE COMMANDER CODY: (continuing) Oh, by the way, I think you'll be needing this.
He hands OBI-WAN his lightsaber, and the LIZARD rears up.
OBI-WAN: Thank you, Cody, (smiling) Now let's get a move on. We've got a battle to win here.
CLONE COMMANDER CODY: Yes, sir!
133 (orig. 162) EXT. CORUSCANT-PADME'S APARTMENT-VERANDA-PRE-DAWN
PADME rushes onto the veranda as ANAKIN exits his GREEN JEDI FIGHTER. They embrace.
PADME: Are you all right?
ANAKIN: I'm fine. I'm fine. I came to see if you and the baby are safe.
PADME can see something is wrong.
PADME: What are you going to do?
ANAKIN: The Chancellor has given me a very important mission. The Separatists have gathered in the Mustafar system. I'm going there to end this war. Wait for me until I return . . .
They kiss.
134 (orig. 141) INT. CORUSCANT-CHANCELLOR'S OFFICE-NIGHT
DARTH SIDIOUS stands alone in his private office, illuminated only from a hologram projector beam from above. A small HOLOGRAM OF COMMANDER CODY stands in front of him.
CLONE COMMANDER CODY: Yes, My Lord.
DARTH SIDIOUS: The time has come. Execute Order Sixty-Six.
135 (split of 132) EXT. UTAPAU-TENTH LEVEL-LANDIXG PLATFORM-DAY
The battle rages throughout the city. CLONE COMMANDER CODY (2224,) is listening to the HOLOGRAM OF DARTH SIDIOUS as, far below, OBI-WAN can been seen battling DROIDS on a landing platform.
DARTH SlDIOUS: Every Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic.
CLONE COMMANDER CODY: It will be done, My Lord.
The HOLOGRAM disappears, and CLONE COMMANDER CODY gestures to a nearby Clone Trooper.
CLONE COMMANDER CODY: Blast him!
The battle rages all around OBI-WAN. DROIDS and CLONES are everywhere. OBI-WAN is riding on a LIZARD, cutting down DROIDS as he races across the battlefield. Suddenly a volley of laser blasts from behind him knocks him and his LIZARD off the wall of the sinkhole. He looks around just in time to see his CLONE TROOPS are firing on him.
OBI-WAN falls hundreds of feet.
(continue order 66 as in GoodMusicians' "Lament" clip, but removing Anakin, adding Padme mourning over the Jedi Temple, other things to keep essentially the same length)