grisan

The UK had 2 VHS releases ( Pan&Scan and Widescreen) of the 1995 THX versions and also the Superclass ISD Executor Collectors Box. It is very likely all of these had the same audio.

In germany there was no Collectors Box but the also a Pan&Scan and Widescreen release. I watched these tapes all the time but I can't really tell if the pitch was different to the other tapes I previously had. It would make sense that these are pitch corrected like UK versions because the production process should have been the same.

I still have the german 1995 THX tapes, the Executor edition and a german VHS Box from 1992, so I will try to compare the audio.

Does anyone know a good tool for pitch comparision? 

AFAIK the vast majority of PAL movies are not pitch-corrected. Especially in the VHS/LD era this was really uncommon. I guess I need to gather more information about this and make a sound comparison first.

@msycamore

Thanks for the information. I wasn't aware of that.

@R2D2

It would be great if you could find your VHS-capture of the opening crawl and end credits. The sceenshots of these looked really nice.

Of course any preservation of the Laserdiscs I want to make will also include all the Logos etc.

Dunedain said:

 

Yes, I was about to say that, I'm almost certain you're correct. The original Star Wars trilogy German soundtracks in theaters would not have had any PAL speed-up to the audio.

The only reason that this is added to home video versions is so the audio will match the video frame rate of European tv's that use the PAL format.

So taking the German DD 2.0 soundtracks from the German version of the GOUT, then removing the PAL audio speed-up, and synching them to the U.S. GOUT videos (or taking the German PAL GOUT video and re-sampling the video down to NTSC resolution and frame rate, if you want to keep the German subtitles for alien characters and such) would actually restore the voices to their correct sound as heard in theaters by German Star Wars fans. :)

Synching the German GOUT DD 2.0 soundtracks, with the PAL speed-up removed, to dark_jedi's V3 Star Wars trilogy DVD set video, or his new Blu-Ray HD trilogy set video, would match the German soundtracks with the highest quality original unaltered Star Wars trilogy video possible. That would be so cool! :)

 

The idea to sync the german audio to the NTSC version is something I wanted to do myself if I decide to make a german theatrical version with the original german crawl and end credits.

But the first thing I want to do are straight preservations of the german 1993 pre-THX and the 1995 THX Laserdisc.

I have done some Laserdisc capturing tests last weekend and I am pretty satisfied with the results. My Laserdisc player may not be the best, but its picture quality is pretty fine and it is enough to make good preservations of the german laserdics.

I have thought about getting a Pioneer CLD-D925 and a better capture card but this is too expensive for me right now.

BTW.:

I now have the german GOUT DVDs and could upload the PAL audio tracks (german 2.0, english 2.0 and spanish 2.0 ) or the complete DVD-Isos to a.b.starwars.

Anyone interested?

@Harmy

Using the GKar or official DVD crawl is probably the best solution right now.

Anyway here are some quick and dirty caps of the german 1982 Pan&Scan LD and 1993 SilverScreen Widescreen LD.

http://www.multiupload.com/P6L9RD2P4Z

http://www.multiupload.com/24PKA5ODPT

Unfortunately the 1982 is in bad condition and has some errors. The transfer also was pretty bad and had a lot of noise to begin with.

The 1993 caps are better but there is not that much resolution.

These caps were quickly made by me without any adjustments or processing. Basically just a test if my player and grabbing card still work.

If I have the time in the next few days I will try to get better caps, but my equipment is pretty limited right now.

@Moth3r

Give me a list of the scenes you want captured and I will see what I can do.

Greetings,

Grisan

Hello guys,

I can probably upload the German GOUT audiotracks sometime next week, if you really want it. I will borrow these DVDs from a friend next weekend. I never bothered to buy them myself because I own the German Laserdiscs. Unfortunatly my Laserdisc PLayer (Sony MDP-850D) broke several months ago, so it is time to get a copy of these DVDs.

I still have a Pioneer CLD-S315, but this was cheaper entry level player and it is missing some important features (like S-Video, Optical Audio etc).

I also have the german 1993 SilverScreen Laserdiscs, and the 1982 Episode 4 Pan&Scan Laserdisc (although this one is in bad condition and has many artifacts that make it virtually unusable) that were mentioned in this thread. 

Their quality is fine for the most part but the 1995 THX Version is superior except for the opening crawls.

I could capture these LDs and upload them to the newsgroup if someone is interested, but I only have a Phillips SA7134 or Conexant BT878 based grabbing card which are OK but not great. The Phillips card has very good picture quality and produces acceptable result, but I haven't used it in years. I also can't grab the audio in pure digital form. I am trying to get a better Player from Ebay but the good ones are usually way over what I am willing to pay.

Creating a decent german version from the GOUT with some fixes from other sources is something I would really like to do.

Greetings,

Grisan