generalfrevious

DuracellEnergizer said:

Voyager looks like some kind of shit. Proof positive that Berman & Braga were two of the three worst things to ever happen to the franchise prior to Abramstrek, I guess.

 Abramstrek completely redeemed Berman & Braga, as even the dumbest episodes of Voyager and Enterprise were smarter than any moment in the two reboots.

DuracellEnergizer said:

As in an alternate version of the Mirror Universe? Yes, I've taken that into consideration.

 Is it the same mirror universe that the Abrams-Lin Trek movies take place?

I would say anything made before 2009 would be canon; I'd rather watch The Final Frontier in an infinite loop than watch the Fast & Furious in space. There is no intelligence in the new movies whatsoever: the only connection with the franchise are the names.

hairy_hen said:

*facepalm*

Not only does this thread not manage to stay on topic, it has inexplicably turned into an excuse for bashing Nolan's Batman films.  Since they are actually awesome movies, I declare this thread to be an abysmal failure and shall waste no more time on it.

 I agree, at least the first two were good movies, and TDKR will be better than BVS:DOJ.

I actually haven't walked out on any of the Prequels, or really any movie for that matter; although my dad walked out of 300 once.

I'd say we could trace it all the way back to the opening crawl of TPM:

...the taxation of interstellar trade routes...

TV's Frink said:

I'll take a Totino's Party Pizza over AOTC any day of the week.

 Then AOTC would be a giant cracker with ketchup and cheese whiz that pretends to be pizza. ROTS would be same, but with tomato paste and kraft singles instead.

Star Wars and Empire would be two authentic gumbos, Jedi that first gumbo made outside Louisiana, and the SE faux-cajun cooking you would get at the Cheesecake Factory.

TPM would be the Domino's Pizza your family would get every Friday night, AOTC the awful generic frozen pizza they had in supermarkets in the 90s, and ROTS would be the slightly better frozen pizza.

TV's Frink said:

If it was arsenic, why would I eat it?

Some of the people here are terrible at analogies.You're at the front of the line.

Peter Jackson is still butchering Tolkien into something unrecognizable and insulting to his work and his fans. I'm sorry you can't see that in spite of my alleged bad analogies.

TV's Frink said:

You haven't even seen them?  Get out of this thread.

I don't need to eat arsenic to know it's poison. And I have seen the LOTR trilogy, so I should be in half of this thread.

TV's Frink said:

Why does it matter?  I like the movies.  I don't care what liberties were taken with the source material, and calling the third movie a two hour video game cutscene is as silly as the things you've been saying.

 I guess it would be okay then to bulldoze 50 acres of forest to put up an outlet mall, and say the choice was good because they have a Pinkberry store in the food court. 

Or what if Peter Jackson went to Tolkien's grave and exhumed his corpse without the deceased family's consent? That's what he did with these Hobbit adaptations, and why I do not want to see them.

TV's Frink said:

Those articles are on a site that also wants me to read "The 15 Sexiest Celebrity Butts."

 Those are the clickbait articles! They even have them on Forbes for crying out loud! But what did you think of the articles themselves?

TV's Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

Jackson's Middle earth saga was just glorified World Of Warcraft  fanfiction.

 You're funny.

 read these articles then get back to me:

http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-review-pirates-of-the-caribbean-with-orcs.php

http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/the-worst-video-game-cutscene-of-the-year-the-hobbit-the-battle-of-the-five-armies-review.php

http://www.pajiba.com/seriously_random_lists/the-five-most-irritating-ways-peter-jacksons-the-hobbit-deviated-from-the-book.php

If it had the complete opposite message of the source material, then it is a bad adaptation. Jackson's Middle earth saga was just glorified World Of Warcraft  fanfiction. If Tolkien saw all six movies he would not recognize the message of what he was trying to say in the Hobbit and LOTR. Even if it is well made, it cannot be good if it disrespects the source material altogether.

Now the question is: were the Hobbit movies faithful to the book?

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

Superman vs Batman: Dawn Of Justice will easily become the highest grossing film of next year in spite of being equivalent to watching newsreel footage of WWII atrocities.

Comparing what is bound to be a soulless piece of crap with historical film footage of educational value?

 I only made that comparison in the first place because Zack Snyder put facist undertones in Man Of Steel. I didn't resort to Godwin's law out of a whim.

*sigh* Now I'm forced to use a meme from the Nolan Batman films, and I hate referencing those movies.

 

You should ask the people who made of Man Of Steel that question. 

Batman vs Superman Dawn Of Justice is going to be a major slog to sit through though.

Wazzles said:

generalfrevious said:

But to stay on topic, didn't Peter Jackson do to the Hobbit what Orci and Kurtzman did to Star Trek, turning thought provoking works into mindless action schlock? Is anyone afraid that Jackson could spend the rest of his life butchering the rest of Tolkien's work in the same vein?

 Well, The Hobbit was never really a though-provoking work, just a kid's fairy tale.

Peter Jackson still missed the point by making it a bloated nine-hour trilogy.

You know, maybe Jackson should have made the Hobbit first in the late 90s. It could have been a more restrained film than what we got, and if the Tolkien estate didn't like it they could have handed the reins for LOTR to a more reliable director. At least Zack Snyder or Justin Lin wasn't behind the wheel for this project.

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

Superman vs Batman: Dawn Of Justice will easily become the highest grossing film of next year in spite of being equivalent to watching newsreel footage of WWII atrocities.

Comparing what is bound to be a soulless piece of crap with historical film footage of educational value?

 I only made that comparison in the first place because Zack Snyder put facist undertones in Man Of Steel. I didn't resort to Godwin's law out of a whim.

But to stay on topic, didn't Peter Jackson do to the Hobbit what Orci and Kurtzman did to Star Trek, turning thought provoking works into mindless action schlock? Is anyone afraid that Jackson could spend the rest of his life butchering the rest of Tolkien's work in the same vein?

Then why is Star Trek Into Darkness considered the worst Star Trek movie ever? Is anyone worried that Star Trek has become the Fast and Furious in space? How would you feel if something like Plato's republic or James Joyce's Ulysses was turned into a dumb action movie for teenage boys? It's a shame that the depth of TOS and TNG is now considered unmarketable to the studio heads who are going to just pander to the Chinese market anyways. You can't even get the good indie films at your local theater anymore. 

At best the SW franchise is Three out of Seven by the end of the year.

Hey, it's not my fault the system is destroying Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, and DC Superheroes. And do we really trust the man who made Star Trek Into Darkness with The Force Awakens?

NeverarGreat said:

Let's just calm down now. If people didn't put up with Hollywood mediocrity, they would be forced to make better movies. And Jackson doesn't despise Tolkien, that's absurd.

Yeah, but Hollywood mediocrity has never been this powerful before. They have an infinite supply of royal flushes up their sleeves; the next five years at the movies will be as predictable as an algebra problem. Superman vs Batman: Dawn Of Justice will easily become the highest grossing film of next year in spite of being equivalent to watching newsreel footage of WWII atrocities. You thought the Rick Berman era of Star Trek was a low point? Star Trek 3 will make you pine for even the blandest episodes of Voyager and Enterprise. And it's even more absurd that you are saying Jackson doesn't hate Tolkien when he doesn't like the themes of the books? And by the end of this year alone we will all wish we were at home watching the Phantom Menace rather than The Force Awakens. 

TWO OUT OF SEVEN PEOPLE, TWO OUT OF SEVEN!

In hindsight, what was Hollywood thinking when they signed on Peter Jackson to direct any JRR Tolkein films in the first place?!? He has failed us six times in a row, it is clear to anyone with a functioning brain stem that Jackson despises Tolkein with every fiber of his being outside of bloated action sequences that made up a total of three pages in the 1400 page The Hobbit/LOTR saga. 

Now with JJ Abrams set out to fuck up the Star Wars franchise into the red, the director of FOUR Fast & Furious movies ramming Star Trek into oblivion, AND an eighth mediocre Batman movie jerry rigged onto another terrible Superman movie evolving into a Justice League franchise helmed by that lunatic psychopath Zack Snyder, everything we love is being destroyed by those cynical Hollywood bastards.

luckydube56 said:

I'm beginning to understand the OT were a happy accident.

Well Lucas had not very much to do with the making of the OT anyways; he shot footage for the first film, and had much more talented people assemble a masterpiece. Plus he did not direct the Empire and Jedi, and the less involved he was, the better the product. When George made the PT, it was more of a spinoff made by one delusional person than the great collaboration SW was.

And BTW, Peter Jackson hasn't shown restraint in his films since the Frighteners.