focuspuller

TheInfiniteIconZ. said:

Thanks for your reply, focuspuller. I was aware that the "Unicorn" cue was also used for the film 'Antarctica', albeit in a different fashion.

While the film had the familiar mix of the eletronic "hunting horn" sound with the atonal chorus (which is the version presented on countless bootlegs), the BR DVD featurettes had the "hunting horn" in a previously unheard segment by itself (i.e. the start of the "Beyond the Window" doc) as well as the atonal chorus in another music segment by itself (approx. the 3 min.-mark in the "Eye of the Storm"doc). So when I saw how extended your version was, I naturally assumed it would come from at least one ofthese sources I mentioned. But I guess I'll have to wait until the final result to see if I'm right or wrong. Can't wait to hear what you're cooking for us!

You're talking about chapters within the 3+ hour doc Dangerous Days. Including new sources I have been given/found, The official releases, the bootlegs, and the DVDs, I have gone over every inch of sound multiple times, whether it be for use or simply reference. In the case of "Unicorn", as I've already said, only a few seconds of it here and there can be heard in the BR DVDs. The music used on the new DVDs are clipped, looped and manipulated, so while you may hear sections scattered throughout of pieces you haven't heard before, the manipulation of these samples prevents them from being referenced literally.

It should also be pointed out that the "horn" like sound comes from the same sample library used in the track "Taffy's".

digitalfreaknyc said:

Do we have an approx. release date on this yet? :)

 yes, early in the twenty-first century. ;)

TheInfiniteIconZ. said:

Hello all,

I may be a new member to this forum but I'm just as hungry for a truly complete BR soundtrack as the rest of you. :)

focuspuller, I  sincerely applaud and congratulate the time and effort you're putting into this project, as it really, really means a lot to us.

I also have a question: did you somehow manage to get the extended music for your "Unicorn" cue from the BR DVD documentaries? 'Cause I've been DYING to hear that cue in its entirety, and it sucks that it's only available in mono format behind all the interview dialog on the DVD.

Keep up the great work!

"In it's entirety" is a tricky phrase to use with almost all of the music. The only person who can trully call a piece complete is Vangelis. But what should be very clear by now is the fact that ALL of the music from Blade Runner (both official and bootleg)  that has seen  the light of day by the general public have been released in an edited down form. The only track (other then "Memories of Green") that I assumed I had in a complete form was "Tales Of The Future". However, when comparing my sources I discovered (along with slightly different elements, etc) an extra verse. I almost missed it until it became more obvious after a few listens.

With this project, I am always aware of the fact that while new tracks (and there are a few) and new clips are mostly obvious to hear, some sound elements are not. An audio effect may not be as obvious as a visual one. A track could be changed as little as two or three seconds and be remixed entirely, but still be hard to be heard by someone who hasn't gone over the music as often as I have. Little by little, the few moments, seconds,and minutes add up, and what you are left with is a lot more music. So as I've said before, this collection will be as complete as is possible. If more elements or tracks find their way to me after this project is released, then the project will be updated.

Going back to your question about "Unicorn", only a few seconds of it here and there can be heard in the BR DVDs. And actually I haven't used any of that, only compared it with what I am using. As far as all my sources for that track I am required to be a little vague. But it is of course elements of that track, by vengelis.

It should also be noted that dealing with sound elements for "Unicorn" can get little murky. The track is used not only for Blade Runner but also in another Vangelis scored film, Antarctica (1983). What appears in that film is different but it's part of the same music, or a variation of it. My understanding is that the music was written for Antarctica. I have also been told that it is part of a composition that was written before both films. The former seems more correct.

CW said:

Q: Did you get hold of the elusive Emulator sample library to rebuild the bar scene music?

 Are You refering to the "Taffy's" track?

On a similar note, while I have not put it on the list yet I will be including a track that uses the same sample library. It's not from Vangelis nor for Blade Runner. I have debated the notion of including this track, but I find it relevent for a few reasons. More on that later.

Hi all, the work continues. I don't really have anything to report but I will soon.

Quick comment. If anyone has any questions or comments regarding this project please feel free to address them. I do ask however, respectfully, that you keep such talk within this thread. All the projects on this site should be applauded, and respected. I don't feel comfortable addressing questions about this project on someone else's thread, unless of course there was some direct connection. I wouldn't want to show any disrespect towards someone's project by having that happen. Thank you.

Cassius76, this means you. ;)

I have to say, as a big fan, Alien Wars was a lot of fun. I did it summer of 93 in London. It was about 10 minutes long I think. A man in an Alien suit, dark cooridors, an Alien egg I think, screaming marines, great fun. The fun for me was watching the people I was with freaking out and a few "died" along the way. When you were done, you basiclly just exited next to a window with a few props. Ripley's Reebok sneakers from Aliens were there. I still have the ticket somewhere.

Would be great to have a no holds bared multi-location, big budget version, but this is still a lot of fun. Would love to do it again.

ImperialFighter said:

 

The 'Space Slug' has always been one of my favourite creature designs in the whole saga, and it's interesting that there seems to be roughly an equal split here between those who would like to see the 'teeth' altered quite a bit, and those who wouldn't.  I wonder which direction Adywan will choose eventually?

Here's a good shot of that actual 'puppet' model from the front this time -  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/2378370309_8ca035b6a3.jpg?v=0  (note that the 'tongue' of the 'puppet' itself is not really shown in the shots from 'inside' the creature, i.e.- during the very top 2 shots) 

Those have been some interestingly 'gnarly' teeth mock-ups recently, but personally I still prefer them basically as they currently are....although I always thought that the exact way they were shaped (with a gap between the bigger front two) in the original Ralph McQuarrie artwork looked even better: 

Close-up of teeth -  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/2f/MCQ-spaceslug.jpg

Whole shot of artwork -  http://www.zazzle.com/mcquarrie_art_space_slug_star_wars_poster_prin_print-228555353050355950

Here's another neat piece of artwork that I really like, that might have looked great if it had been realised as a brief, distant, drifting element in the background of one of the 'asteroids' shots -  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:SpaceSlug.JPG

Although that artwork above shows a 'shortish' Slug, I'm personally not stuck on any speculative exact 'lengths' for the Space Slugs in general, as I reckon they'd be able to 'extend' their body 'lengths' at will, like a worm does, and it could depend on whether they are full-grown adults or not.  But here's an interesting 'info.' page, just for completion's sake -  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Exogorth

(I'd still like to see the odd drifting asteroid or 2 in the distance of these 'mouth' shots, by the way)

 

Oh, and by the way vaderios, YES, your 'greyer' Falcon cockpit on the previous page looked a lot better than the current strange SE colouring in the sequence!  Nice.  :)

 

 

  

 

 

 

 I agree, one of my favorite creatures. I know that there is no voting to be had, but if there were, my vote would be to leave the creature alone.

Also, I think it should be pointed out that if Lucas had change this creature in some way, a lot of fans would be most likely moaning about it along with the other special Edition changes.

Mitch said:I have this workprint , it's the best version out there..

 Is it better that the other version that's floating around?

adywan said:

Funnily enough that's exactly what i've been working on. Here they are, although not yet quite finished:

Not to be anal, but, do the two new shots have continuity? The building placement looks completely different. That being said the new shots at the very least are visually pleasing.

Also, didn't some kind of tram pass under in one of the new shots? Is that still going to be there?

ADigitalMan said:

Congrats FP.  It's the best project you've announced yet. :-D

 Thank you. Very kind of you to say. :)

Thanks to all of you for the kind words and support.

I'm curious, what is the "BLADE RUNNER - Scribble Score - Vangelis - Blaksvn Records - BR006" and what's on it? I'm asuming it's a fan edit compilation?

The track "Unveiled Twinkling Space" has been rebuilt and expanded from 2:02 to 2:58.

Happy New Year everyone!

I was hoping to be finished by now but the work continues, and there isn't that much left to do.

On a personal note, I am expecting a new member of the family (my first) come June. So obvously between that and work, projects like this are secondary. But that bieng said, I'm very excited about this project, and shall release it soon.

skyjedi2005 said:

I had the 3 disc single layer dvd version of the rough cut from subcin but i traded it so i no longer have it.  Anyway the quality was less than commercial vhs quality. 

 

If coppola wanted the rough cut out there it would have been an extra on the dvd.

This was the edit that was assembled on video right?

and the final version was done on film.

The video tape of the seventies was ultra low resolution i think this was done all on studio grade u-matic tapes.

Lower than broadcast quality.

I mean even if you had access to the first generation copy u-matic tapes the rough cut exist on you could never get dvd quality out of them.

But it would still be better than god knows how many generations of a copy later.

This is the Cut where Martin Sheen almost really died of a heart attack i believe.

It has the doors i think as temp track music too from what i have read.  And is missing the wagner music ride of the valkryies.

 I agree.

 After having check out a copy of it myself, yes, it's extremely rough. But worst case scenario, at least 3 hours from a high quality source can be used leaving the rest to fill in the blanks. Better then nothing.

Maybe some kind of remaster can be done.

p.s. that copy can be found you-know-where.

Anyone willing to release this?........

Anyone?............

Buller?...........

adywan said:

Knightmessenger said:

I've seen some of the color correction split screen comparisons on youtube. If anything those are great to point out just how bad the 2004 transfers were. I don't know if those are the final look or still in progress but there are a few cases where I think the part of the shot should stay blue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg&feature=related

In the Milennium Falcon. There's a bright wide light in the cockpit. One example is at 50 seconds above Leia's head. I'm pretty sure that's part is blue even on the gout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaskolmE944

Some of the exterior shots of the walkers. The sky looks like it loses too much of the blue hue with the color correction. This occurs at 29 37 49 53 seconds. Now I saw another comparison uploaded about 3 months later in October called Hoth Split Screen. It seems to be the same part but with different color correction. The sky appears to maintain it's proper blue color in this sample.

 

 

The hoth battle clip you posted the link to was a first pass of the colour correction. The later one you mention is the final one

as for the cockpit lights here's a comparison between versions:

 

 

Nice clean colour correction.

Is there a copy of this floating around?

What about a simpler solution? Rather then trying to insert a helmet in every scene, perhaps for a lot of the shots you can obscure the face (digital shadow, etc).

The second question would of course be: Is all that work worth it?

On a side note, a Judge Dredd reboot is in the works. Still in the early stages but it could be great.

What are you using to create the Xvid?

yeah I noticed that. But I have already given Steve Jobs my money and soul so there will be no chance of me getting one of those.

Please, I still say Walkman. My wife makes fun of me for it.

The track "Mechanical Dolls" has been completed and moved from Disc 3 to Disc 2.

I just watched the scene. Great color correction. And I loved the little tweaks like the moving stars and the color change to blue. Very cool.

I just wanted to express my support for this project. I think I've posted before, but in anycase I am looking forward to seeing what you have come up with. Don't feel the pressure of time, take as long as you feel you need to, or want to.

Cheers mate! :)