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#955516
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Well, Force trees are already canon. In one of the comics, Luke and Shara Bey had a mission to recover two twigs from a force tree in Coruscant that was destroyed during Palpatine’s remodelling ventures.

It’s canon that Luke kept one of those twigs, as well, so a force tree isn’t out of the question. That said, I wouldn’t expect them to do a Chosen one arc again.

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#948851
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What is your personal canon?
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I don’t have one. I’ve never been one to form personal canons, and instead follow along with what the official canon is. It tends to be easier for discussions if we’re all on the same page, and even if I personally dislike a work, if it’s canon to that continuity its existence has to be acknowledged when discussions veer in that direction.

Now, fan theories, speculation & ideas about things not explained in some source, that’s a different matter entirely…

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#948793
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Star Wars: Rogue One - * Non Spoiler Discussion Thread *
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I was expecting the FUD about the reshoots was overhyped; I feel reaffirmed by the EW article.

I find it kind of interesting they referred to the new shots as “a lot of talking in cockpits.” I haven’t heard anything about a major character being a pilot myself, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Any further discussion on this pilot is probably more fit for the spoiler thread.

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#947406
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What do you <em>want</em> to happen in the the rest of the ST?
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DuracellEnergizer said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I also want to see all the main characters contribute to killing Snoke.

*automatically imagines all protagonists taking turns punching, kicking, shooting, slashing, stabbing, hacking, and beating with blunt objects Snoke*

It’s the perfect ending. After all, it’s probably how 90% of D&D games end. And if Thousands of nerds end their own stories that way, why can’t Star Wars?

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#946725
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What do you <em>want</em> to happen in the the rest of the ST?
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Lord Haseo said:

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:

If she had her mind altered like Revan her being dropped on Jakku as a child could be a false memory meaning she only got dropped off there once.

That leads to my second point: Her whole backstory as we know it is a lie, which I’d rather not have, as it’s removing backstory for the sake of having a twist, rather than adding to the plot.

All we know about Rey is that she was presumably left on Jakku as a child under the “care” of Unkar Plutt. That’s hardly a backstory; it’s only a notch above a premise for a backstory. Also couldn’t you say that about the “No, I am your father” twist? Furthermore, I am of the opinion that both twists would add to the plot significantly.

I’m not of that opinion, because you’re not changing her interactions and relations. She’d still hate Kylo Ren, she’d still barely know Luke (Even if she did know him once upon a time), and she still needs to be trained. Nothing has changed about her connection to anyone, except that she’s now a former Jedi apprentice rather than a scrapyard scavenger.

“I am your father,” while it did alter the backstory, it worked for a couple of reasons. The big one, though, was that it completely changed the dynamic between Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. Before their confrontation at Bespin, Luke was raring to fight Vader; he wanted revenge for the Death of his father. After the revelation, Luke became hesitant to fight Vader; he didn’t want to be the one to kill his father, even though everyone else was practically begging for him to do so. If he was still raring to kill Vader, it wouldn’t be nearly as impactful as it we know it is now.

It can work, but I currently don’t see a matrix style “Your life is a lie” twist changing everything just yet.

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#946706
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What do you <em>want</em> to happen in the the rest of the ST?
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Lord Haseo said:

If she had her mind altered like Revan her being dropped on Jakku as a child could be a false memory meaning she only got dropped off there once.

That leads to my second point: Her whole backstory as we know it is a lie, which I’d rather not have, as it’s removing backstory for the sake of having a twist, rather than adding to the plot.

There’s one possibility I didn’t note: an incident which led her to being dropped off when she was five, one separate from the massacre Kylo Ren committed to the Jedi Academy. This could work, if set up right.

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#946699
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What do you <em>want</em> to happen in the the rest of the ST?
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BillionaireHobo287 said:

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:

Can you elaborate please.

Assuming that was Directed at me:
Minor bloodlines Spoilers, Read post at own Risk
Bloodlines is only 6 years or so Before TFA, and aside from Leia not being able to contact Luke there’s nothing to indicate Ben has turned. And difficulty in sending a message isn’t quite evidence of him being turned. So if Rey was being trained by Luke, then the false memories would be to erase her return to Jakku, or otherwise replace the last seven or eight years of her life with false Memories of Jakku, as she’d be thirteen when Bloodlines takes place.

Couldn’t Ben pretend not to be a dark side worshipper? Like Palpatine? I think Ben Solo is a much more tragic character if he has less agency and control over his actions(like if he was brainwashed at the ripe age of childhood). The guy’s crazier than a taco dancing on a jelly bean, and it makes you feel bad for him.

Ben was never the focus of my point.

My focus is on Rey. Currently everything we know about Rey and the timeline of events up to TFA makes her being connected at all to the Jedi questionable at best. So there’s two extremes that I see. Minimal amount of tampering (Months at most), and Dramatic tampering (i.e. everything is a lie)

For the minimal amount of memory tampering, we’d have to ask why she was dropped off on Jakku twice. Even if she were only with Luke a few months and it was altered so she never thought she left Jakku, surely everyone she’d knew from before would know of the gap, and Unkarr Plutt doesn’t seem to care too much about keeping a secret from Rey. He’s not protecting her; he even tries to kill her in the novelization. So she’d already know there was a gap in her memory relative to everyone else. We might not, but she would. Which raises the question of why erase her memory if we’re just going to place her back into a location where she could easily find out something’s wrong?

For Eight years of memory erasure, we’d basically be removing everything we knew about her backstory just to fit her into having a connection to the Jedi. It doesn’t even sound like it’s that significant to the plot, it simply just makes a nice excuse for Luke to know Rey. She still has to be trained, she still doesn’t know Luke that well, she still hates Kylo Ren. It alters the backstory almost as much as Vader’s revelation in Empire, while being as significant to the plot as Leia’s relation to Luke was in RotJ.

Needless to say, I’m going against the grain and not being too impressed by your plot outlines, until there’s a way to work around How Bloodlines mucked up the pet theories around Continuity.

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#946533
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What do you <em>want</em> to happen in the the rest of the ST?
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Lord Haseo said:

Can you elaborate please.

Assuming that was Directed at me:
Minor bloodlines Spoilers, Read post at own Risk
Bloodlines is only 6 years or so Before TFA, and aside from Leia not being able to contact Luke there’s nothing to indicate Ben has turned. And difficulty in sending a message isn’t quite evidence of him being turned. So if Rey was being trained by Luke, then the false memories would be to erase her return to Jakku, or otherwise replace the last seven or eight years of her life with false Memories of Jakku, as she’d be thirteen when Bloodlines takes place.

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#946340
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The Random <em>Star Wars</em> Pics &amp; GIFs Thread
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canofhumdingers said:

Eh, I’m not. It’s not like I’m losing sleep over it or having anger management issues. It’s just an observation. Just one of those many things in the EU that makes me kinda roll my eyes when I see it.

I actually DO like the idea of a battle damaged Vader after some kind of big battle (either similar to what we got in the Vader Down comic run, or him hunting down the last few Jedi holdouts in hiding). In fact, that’s always been kinda my personal cannon to explain why his costume changes from film to film - offscreen battles that require repair/replacement of various bits.

It’s just the actual depictions of said battle damage, like in that picture, are usually just way too “XTREEEMMMZZZ!!!” for me to find credible or enjoy.

So you like something closer to what happened in rebels, where it’s just the eyepiece and a bit of cheek?

As for the yellow eyes, sadly Revenge of the Sith is still canon and Revenge says Anakin got eyes when he goes evil. So therefore it is canon that Vader has Yellow eyes.

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#946195
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Frank your Majesty said:

flametitan said:

So I heard a parent relay this great fan theory from their kid.

The reason Luke was hesitant to accept the Lightsaber from Rey is because it’s actually the first step in her Jedi training. “How do you properly give someone a lightsaber? Clearly not with the blade end pointing right at them.”

Can’t be true, Kylo had Jedi training and he didn’t know how to properly hand over a lightsaber, either.

If you watch closely, Kylo Ren’s way of holding the lightsaber is fairly close to how Obi-Wan handed Luke Anakin’s Sabre, though not to the side of Han. The problem was that in the name of cool and an appeal to history, he made a weapon that the conventional means of handling a lightsaber didn’t apply to. Had he went with a modern design, the tragedy we saw might not have ever happened.

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#944845
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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moviefreakedmind said:

I heard that GL wanted the Endor battle to be a parody of the Vietnam War, with the Stormtroopers representing America and the Ewoks representing the heroic Viet Kong. He also meant for Darth Vader to represent Richard Mo Nixon and the Emperor to represent Betty Ford.

I realize this is a joke, but I could actually see George Lucas trying to say he was going for that.

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#941831
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Bring this back to palatable discussion, I tried listening to the TFA soundtrack with Star Wars video in the background. With a bit of editing, I think it could theoretically work as a substitute soundtrack.

Unfortunately I have neither the tools, nor enough sound material (only possessing the initial CD release of TFA’s soundtrack) to expand it into a full movie to see if I’m right.

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#940916
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Info: Evidence of TFA Changes in Blu-ray?
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I’m not sure about the Blu Ray, but I looked at the subtitles on the Google Play version.

It has subtitles for BB-8 driving to the falcon and the woman at Maz’s castle despite not having any dialogue. (They aren’t interesting; just stating the obvious: (BB-8 chirps) and (SPEAKING ALIEN DIALECT)).

I wonder what that’s supposed to mean? Did they intend to give us a mix with both but gave us a mix with neither?