ferris209

TV's Frink said:

Incidentally, I have told my story before, but ours was done in a completely professional and humane manner (at a regular hospital, by the way).  This was over seven years ago now, but thanks to changes in the law, a regular hospital can no longer accommodate needy people like us.

 Being a staunch anti-abortion person, I don't even equate your experience with abortion.

I am totally against abortions that have no medical purpose and are simply for convenience of the irresponsible woman who failed to take appropriate logical measures in the first place.

MrBrown said:

ferris209 said:

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I do not agree with gay marriage, I do not support it, and I would move against it. However, should the people of my state vote for it, or my legislature approve it. I am left with no other option but to continue to fight it and urge against it, as those are my religious beliefs. I do not hate those who disagree with me, I merely disagree. Honestly, I do not care what they do in that other state, that is their Constitutional right to do and decide has they please.

Additionally, I certainly do think there is a slippery slope. This idea is mocked and downplayed, but it is reality. If "gay marriage" is permitted, why restrict polygamy, why restrict marriage between a man and animal, why restrict marriage between the living and the dead, why restrict marrying an inanimate object, so on and so forth. These are debates that are currently happening, and will continue should there be no single simple definition that is understood and agreed upon. Such as marriage is a legal, lawful, and spiritual union of one man and one woman.

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 So the easiest way to cut down any non-heterosexual-marriage discussions would be, if all additional rights, like visits in a hospital, or (I don't know if its as in USA as in Germany) the amount of taxes (in Germany marriaged couples have better tax rates then unmarriaged persons) and so on, also get deleted. So instead of giving different gender couples the rights of same gender couples, do it vice versa. This would kill all marriage discussions.

First, visitations within a hospital are not "rights", they are the decision of the hospital.

As a matter of FACT, the myth of partners being denied visits in the hospital is negligible, at least here in the United States. Seriously, it is a red herring argument, but nothing based on actual fact. There are extremely very few, denied access to their sexual partner.

Additionally, the fact of taxes. Under a truly good government nobody would be taxed over a rate of 15%, no matter their sexual preference, choice, marriage, or selection.

Isn't it funny how non-biased capitalism and conservatism can be?

Additionally, I do not believe wholly in either idea that homosexuality is a choice or that it is from birth. Science, or religion, has thus far failed to make any conclusive theory and I doubt they ever will, the human being is far more complex than man can ever figure.

I believe in both ideas though, it just depends on the person, much like any other sexual desire. Some women are simply born to be nymphomaniacs, while others tend to choose to be through having been molested or conditioned to be so. Like me, why do I like curvy fluffy women? Who knows, but GOD says that I should only lust after and pay attention to only one fluffy curvy woman and I try, but very often fail.

I haven't read the thread, but here's my take. Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Honestly, I absolutely do not agree with homosexuality. I do not understand it and I do not condone it. Despite that, I do understand that a person can have a sexual motivation that they do not understand. For example, I am into slightly fluffy fully curved older women in lingerie, why? I dunno, I just am. Therefor, I sin regularly when I lust after these women even though I am married to a perfectly curved, but younger, woman. So, I arbor no hatred or contempt for those who are into homosexual acts as I feel my sin is as equal as theirs. I do not approve of their choice, but it is not of my concern for they will have to answer to GOD.

On the other hand, people chastise folks like me because I am certainly against gay marriage. How can a person who believes in "it is not his concern" have this view? Because marriage is a religious and societal concern. You are taking a personal act in the bedroom and trying to force it upon a society who may or may not be ready to accept it and it is, in my opinion, absolutely against our Constitution to force gay marriage upon people and states that have voted and/or passed laws and amendments forbidding such. Gay marriage and straight marriage are NOT Constitutional rights! I've read the Constitution, studied Madison's notes, and read the federalist and anti-federalist papers among other things; I do not recall any mention a right to marriage, either straight or gay.

Therefor, in accordance with our founding fathers wishes as per the 10th amendment "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." So, this is simply a decision for the states and the people, respectively, to decide. Which is why is disconcerting to people like me when a single judge, or merely 5 justices, can overrule the decision of the people with one single swift motion, kind of like a tyranny. I am tolerant of homosexuality, but intolerant of the continued forceful effort to inject it into my everyday life, whether it be through a tv program, laws, culture, etc.

I do not agree with gay marriage, I do not support it, and I would move against it. However, should the people of my state vote for it, or my legislature approve it. I am left with no other option but to continue to fight it and urge against it, as those are my religious beliefs. I do not hate those who disagree with me, I merely disagree. Honestly, I do not care what they do in that other state, that is their Constitutional right to do and decide has they please.

Additionally, I certainly do think there is a slippery slope. This idea is mocked and downplayed, but it is reality. If "gay marriage" is permitted, why restrict polygamy, why restrict marriage between a man and animal, why restrict marriage between the living and the dead, why restrict marrying an inanimate object, so on and so forth. These are debates that are currently happening, and will continue should there be no single simple definition that is understood and agreed upon. Such as marriage is a legal, lawful, and spiritual union of one man and one woman.

Too many believe that disagreeing with homosexuality is hateful in and of itself, this is completely and utterly wrong. It is possible, and common I believe, to be tolerant, yet disagreeable. I love all of my gay brothers and sisters, I pray they can find salvation, but I feel they regularly perform sinful acts. I feel as equally about them as I do my brother and sisters who drink to excess, commit adultery, have lust in their hearts, or have sex prior to marriage. I myself am a sinner on the level of homosexuals as I did have sex prior to marriage, I regularly drink to excess, and I have a strong lust in my heart for other women. So why would I hate someone who, I believe, sins as much as I?

I have gay relatives, gay co-workers, and gay friends; all of whom I love. However, I simply do not condone their bedroom decisions anymore than I condone the bedroom decisions of the adulterer relatives, co-workers, and friends I have. Furthermore, as much I may love these folks, I just don't want their adulterer lifestyles flaunted and forced upon me and my family. I also know several relatives, co-workers, and friends who regularly lust after women who are not their wives or spouses. I do not want them flaunting, displaying, or having laws put in place to enforce or justify their sin of lust of which I'd have to explain to my 5 year old daughter sooner than I'd certainly intended.

But somehow, certain parts of society feel that I am wrong and that my 5 year old should be fully exposed to sexuality, homosexuality, adultery, and lust right now; not at my own or her own timeline. Some feel that if I should explain to her my belief these are sins, then I am a bigot. Some force upon us that if I do not capitulate, then I am an active bigot.

To these, I say damned you. Every person should keep their sexual desires and sins private and should allow me the right to teach my children how I please and when I please about those who have different beliefs than us, rather than some judge or five justices forcing me by fiat to have to explain these things sooner than I intended.

Warbler said:

1.  I question whether fetus would be able realize the probe was there,  I whether the fetus would have been able to realize its life was danger.

Fair question. Of course, I have no medical experience in the matter. However, I do believe that protecting your life would be instinctual, even in the womb. Perhaps not, but at least it does make one think.

Warbler said:

2.  I saw a comment on page of the youtube video you linked to.   It says "This woman is a moron. I don't think what? she saw was the "baby " fighting for it's life. As the probe went in , it would have looked like the baby was moving, when it reality it would have been the probe pushing against the tissue."   I have no idea as to this person's medical expertise or anything like that.  But what he says seems to be possible.   If anyone here has any medical knowledge of stuff like this,  please weigh in

I'd like to hear also as I don't necessarily rely on, or trust, youtube comments or even Wikipedia pages.

Warbler said:

3. I find it hard to believe that someone that was not a doctor, nurse, or technician, would be allowed to participate in an abortion procedure.  

I believe that someone could be involved. I've been called over by Doctors and Nurses to do all kinds of stuff.

Warbler said:

4.  according to wiki:  "Planned Parenthood stated that its records do not show any ultrasound-guided abortions performed on the date when Johnson says she witnessed the procedure, and the physician who performed abortions at the Bryan clinic stated that Johnson had never been asked to assist in an abortion. Although Johnson said the abortion was of a 13-week-old fetus, records from the Texas Department of Health show no such abortions performed at the Bryan Clinic on the date in question"

Perhaps her dates was not correct. Maybe the clinic failed to report the event. Maybe the clinic wiped the records and covered it up. Maybe it never happened and she's a liar.

Warbler said:

5. Also according to wiki: Abby Johnson was put on a ""performance improvement plan" 4 days before her resignation

Yeah, so.

Warbler said:

6. Also according to wiki: "Johnson herself says the "performance improvement plan" was due to her reluctance to increase the number of abortions performed at her facility"   But: "Johnson said after her resignation that her bosses had pressured her to increase profits by performing more and more abortions at the clinic.^[5] "Every meeting that we had was, 'We don't have enough money, we don't have enough money — we've got to keep these abortions coming.' It's a very lucrative business and that's why they want to increase numbers," she said. Johnson estimated the clinic profited $350 on every abortion.^[5] An article on Salon.com questioned Johnson's statements regarding financial incentives for abortions, noting that abortions comprise only 3% of Planned Parenthood's services.^[6] Fox News reported that Johnson was unable to provide any emails, letters, or other evidence to support her allegations about pressure to perform abortions"  

All fair and good questions.

Warbler said:

7.  Even if what Abby Johnson claims is true.   what does that have to do my claim that surely there are ways to prevent the fetus' suffering during abortion and if aren't right now, maybe as improvement in medical care are made, there will be ways in the future.    

Hopefully the atrocious, barbaric activity will one day be seen for what it is.

Keep in mind I don't necessarily believe Wikipedia, regardless of sources, and I don't necessarily believe Abby Johnson. I just hoped to add to the discussion.

TV's Frink said:

Have you wiki'd her?

Ok. What's the problem?

TV's Frink said:

Abby Johnson?

 

lol

Uh, what is funny?

darth_ender said:

BTW, great post, Ferris! :)

Thank-you!

Warbler said:

surely, there are ways to prevent the fetus from feeling pain during the abortion process?  If not, surely medicare care will eventually improve to where there will be ways to prevent the fetus from feeling pain during the abortion process. 

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

All I meant was it is pretty much impossible to know what is really going on.

Ferris might be able to shed some light on this. 

Gimme a little time. Had some other stuff to tend to tonight. I go back to work tomorrow night and I'll see what I can find out.

Searching through my old emails, I think I have his full name and city, but I'd like some corroborating information if anyone else has anything.

I dunno anymore.

If true, then sincere condelonces.

if someone knows his real name and city location here in Texas, pm me and I'll see what I can figure out.

A 1958 Cadillac is the epitome of what a car should be. There is nothing more.

Fortunately, at my work, when we have disagreements we hit the mats and take it out on each other physically.

Pretty much settles all issues within minutes.

Leonardo said:

ferris209 said:

I thought this was a riot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qx3GP-l1Y_w

yeah, my dad and I were roaring with laughter every second of it! :D

Yeah, of course, I'm a big Rowan Atkinson fan. I've been watching Mr. Bean for dang near 20 years now and I really enjoy his Johnny English movies.

I thought this was a riot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qx3GP-l1Y_w

CP3S said:

I've never been with a woman THAT flat. There has always been something fun there to play with.

I haven't either, but I've seen several in my life that I looked at and felt sorry for. I just don't think I'd have any issue with those types getting an upgrade.

walkingdork said:

Yeah, I live in a city of 40,000 with 90% white folks. It's embarrassing how uncultured (and racist) we are. Doubt any place around here has them.

Jus' curious, where you live?

Davnes007 said:

I'm the exact opposite.

I'd rather a girl have little real boobs, instead of big fake ones.

What about hardly any boobs? Practically a smooth chest?

Warbler said:

I know this seems strange to do on Christmas morning, but I feel like ranting right.  

My parents could see that their clothes washer and dryer were on their last leg.   So, bought news from Sears.   They were to be delivered on Monday, 12/12/2011.    That day arrived and so did the new washer and dryer.   But the dryer did not work, it was defective.   What did they do?   They took back both the new dryer and washer, even though there was nothing wrong with the washer.   They did this after removing the old washer and dryer, leaving us with no ability to do laundry.   They could have left the new washer and we could have hung wet clothing on a clothes line to dry.   They could have reinstalled the old washer and dryer, but no, they take away both sets.   My mother got on phone with them and got them to bring and install the new washer and the old dryer.  They came on Wednesday 12/14/2011.  The old dryer worked, but barely and the new washer worked fine but a big terrible looking scratch mark on the top of it.    Sears agreed to bring another washer that hopefully won't have a bad scratch on it.   They set up deliver of  the new dryer and another new washer for Sunday, 12/18/2011.   On Saturday, the night before the delivery, they called to tell us what time on Sunday they'd be bringing the new washer and dryer.    Sunday morning arrived and then Sears called saying they didn't have the washer and dryer in stock and couldn't deliver them until 12/26/2011.       You would think they would have figured out that they didn't have the washer and drying in stock, before they called the night before to set up a delivery time!   When they reinstalled the old dry and new washer on 12/14/2011, they did a sloppy job of it and dryer not right spot and things can't be put back until the new washer and dryer are delivered on 12/26/2011.   This  means that our bathroom will look messy when we have our guests over for Christmas(and my Mom does not like the house looking messy when she has guests).  My mom calls Sears trying to talk to someone to complain about everything, but the person she needed to talk to wasn't there.   Mom was told that the person would call her back the next day.   But he never called back.  Anyway,  on Friday 12/23/2011, Sears called up and said the new washer and dry would be delivered on 12/26/2011.    They said we would receive an automated call around 6pm on Christmas Day telling us what time they would deliver the washer and dry on 12/26/2011.    So they would be calling around time of our CHRISTMAS DINNER!   Now for the last straw:   On 8AM Christmas morning,  my Mom is woken up by a phone call.   It was an automated call from Sears informing us that there will be a delay in the deliver.   It didn't say what kind of delay or for how long, it just said there was a delay.   It a gave a number to call for more info.   My mom called that number and of course, because it is Christmas day, no one was there to answer the phone.     I think my parents are going to cancel the order.   The service we have been getting is absolutely ridiculous.   Sears should be ashamed of themselves.   I think there is a good chance I will never shop there again.   

I have one thing I want to say to Sears,  FUCK YOU!!! 

Sounds like you need to send an EECB (Executive Email Carpet Bomb)! Basically you find as many executive email addresses as you can, including your local stores management, outline your issues in an email, and email them all!! From CEO all the way to the third key manager of the Sears you did business with!

http://consumerist.com/2007/05/how-to-launch-an-executive-email-carpet-bomb.html

http://executivebomb.com/

No presents yet for our household either, still waiting on my brother to show up.

EyeShotFirst said:

Nice guitar, Gibson fans can brag all they want, but I'll take a cheap Squire over a Gibson any day.

I've hardly heard any Gibson Acoustics which could match, or even come close, to most all 70's early 80's era Yamaha's, IMHO. None can match a good Martin though! <----- says the proud owner of 4 Martins!! (six counting the two baby Martins)

Warbler said:

12 Angry men

Falling Down

These are a couple of my favorite movies!

I have to admit, I love big breasts. I'd prefer (selfishly, I know) that chicks put implants in if they are under a B cup, maybe even smaller than C. I'd rather have nice looking fake ones than mosquito bites. Again, I admit my experience in this area is limited due to the fact the string of ladies I enjoyed before my wife were all well endowed and none were fake.

I think the best breasts are D's.

CP3S said:

Re: Ferris' comments

On this particular girl they actually looked very nice, I honestly would not have been able to tell (and was not able to tell) just by looking at them, especially since the size fit her frame very nicely; it was when touching them that there was no way you could possible miss the fact that they were fake.

Fair enough. Full disclosure, my wife has factory equipment and all other gals before her were stock as well. So, I have limited experience in "feel" department.

Fake isn't always bad though, the Doctors have come a long way from the completely round, poofy, ever perky models of yesteryear, tough those models are still available.

They have some now that are designed to be so real looking, even with slight sag and very small size differences from one side to the next just like in real life.

I prefer real, but I will readily accept the "real" looking fakes too, of course, I would accept any of them. However, the round pooched out ones don't really get me as drove up as the real normal looking ones.

Congratulations on your first foray into the legal system Warb!