ferris209

HOWDY!!

Warbler said:

57?  I thought we only had 50.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

why cardiograms and Ekg's be covered and not stress tests?

You're right, none of them should be covered.

I don't get it,  first you say  Echo cardiograms and EKG's should be covered but not stress tests.  When I ask you why, you change your mind and say none should be covered.   Please explain. 

Nah. Nevermind. Leave it to Dear Leader Obama to decide.

Warbler said:

why cardiograms and Ekg's be covered and not stress tests?

You're right, none of them should be covered.

Warbler said:

maybe in the long term, but I doubt it.    In the short term,  I guarantee you people would be going bankrupt and/or dying from curable illnesses right and left.

To be honest cardiograms and EKG's should be covered under any insurance plan. A stress test could be straight out of pocket.

Could I go with "C", Wanda Jackson?

Warbler said:

don't you think any of increase in the cost of healthcare has to do with advancement in medicine?    If people had to pay for doctor visits themselves,  they'd go bankrupt very quickly.    Do you realize how much things like EKGs and echo cardiograms and stress tests and the like cost?    

I firmly believe it would all go down in price if the free were allowed to flourish.

Warbler said:

so you now you compare health care to car care?   Sorry but if I don't care for my car,  it died and I can either get new one or take public transportation.  I don't care for my self I die.   I think my health is more important than my car.

As for people using health insurance for stuff other than catastrophic health issues,   I think health care costs have gone up alot since that days you refer to.   Prescription medicine costs have gone up too.    There is no way people in poverty can afford doctor visits, medicine and glasses and such by themselves.   

So let me get this straight,  instead of people(who can't afford to pay for doctor visits) going to their family doctor, you'd rather them go to the ER and clog that up some more???    

btw, I did study history in school. 

 

I thought comparing mandatory health insurance with car insurance was a favorite tactic of these statists?

My point is that one of the reasons Health Care does cost so much these days as compared to years past is the presence of bigger government and insurance companies along with peoples expectations broadening.

Let's go back to the car insurance euphemism, if auto insurance did in fact cover oil changes, mechanical issues, and the like then your auto policy would cost and arm and leg. Also the price for those services would be sky high because you'd only pay your deductable and rest would be on the back of the insurance company. 

i.e., I get my oil changed every 5,000 miles after paying my $20 co-pay, state farm pays the rest. But the oil change now costs $250 because the mechanic is shilling it to insurance company. So, State Farm negotiates the price to $170 to "even things out". Compare that to our modern day $40-$50 oil changes. Of course, this scenario is completely theoretical, but I feel it holds water.

If people would only reply upon insurance for only catastrophic issues while taking care of their own doctor visits, medicine, and other minor stuff, the free market would naturally take over and the costs would be driven down greatly. Think about it, right now you just drive to your closest pharmacy for that med because you only pay whatever co-pay you have. One pharmacy may have the medicine for $165 and the other for $125, but you don't care because you only pay $20 either way. Under my scenario, you call both and learn that one sells it for $125, so you go there. Then the other starts losing business and prices theirs to $100, you go there and the other loses business, they prices their to $75, so on and so forth until prices are reasonable without relying on insurance companies. Of course, this would especially work if many restrictions was taken off of the pharma companies as well, they'd be incentivised to reduce costs. It could work if allowed to by this large oppressive government we now have.

The reason we are where we are is because the idea of health care insurance is vastly misunderstood. Health Care insurance used to be for catastrophic health issues, not simply visits to the Doctor, buying medicine, or getting glasses. These things should be your responsibility, not the insurance companies. Do you file a claim with your auto insurance every time your change the oil in your car, have a small malfunction, or blow a tire? I don't think so. It just scares me how much people my age and younger shun independence and freedom for dependence and tyranny.

As for Warbler constantly mocking those of us who question the motive of our politicians by growing government, study history.

FanFiltration said:

Just to be fair...

FF, you absolutely surprised me and made me pause with great appreciation to you for this!!

And to meet the quota for the thread......

Charity touched me one time, I later made her giggle!

TV's Frink said:

I'm willing to pay higher taxes if it means more poor children can have health coverage.

(Crap, I just violated my personal oath to not get involved in these politics threads unless I was making a joke...)

Believe me, paying higher taxes is not necessary to cover children. They are well cared for by charities and such.

Warbler said:

see what I mean VFP?   So Ferris, Xhonzi's plan would therefore be unconstitutional right?

Yep! But, we've been successfully ignoring select parts of the Constitution for over 150 years! You yourself seem to hate the thing.

Warbler said:

vote_for_palpatine said:

2.  according the Conservatives,  passing any healthcare legislation at all is unconstitutional. 

Jeez Warb, why don't you distort the reality a little bit?

I'm not distorting reality.  Just go in the political thread and read someone of Ferris's posts when he is making reference to the 10th Amendment.

True!

Warbler said:

according to Ferris, most Americans don't want.    The Conservatives won't choose to fund it.    That's why I think you would get enough money. 

True!

I think this penny machine is jacked up!!!

*penny*

C3PX, my new word of the week is THUNDERPICKLE!! Can you explain why?

C3PX said:

ricardo said:

 Expect a PM shortly. I'll bring the beer!

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Guns and alchohol, not a good mix!

 

Eh, depends.

ricardo said:

ferris209 said:

Seriously Warb, you put too much stigma on guns. Come on down to Texas and I'll take you out shooting.

 Does that offer stand for all? Cause I'll take you up on that offer!

Heck yeah!! My father-in-law as a pretty sweet range built on his 80 acres we can go to. Seriously.

ricardo said:

C3PX said:

Okay, so here is my question (penny thrown, by the way), how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

 

I refuse to answer this question due to threat of legal action by said woodchuck.

 

**psst - the woodchuck was just found to be involved in a child porn ring in malaysia. those dang woodchucks are perverted to the core, i'm telling you!**

Awe man! This "Ask Ricardo" thread is a scam!! Just like those dang fortune teller machines!!

Warbler said:

xhonzi said:

Don't get a swimming pool or a trampoline then.  They have proven to be more dangerous to kids than legal handguns.

a trampoline I could see being more dangerous, but a pool?   I find that a little difficult to believe.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/levittpoolsvsguns.php

Warbler said:

that all sounds way too dangerous.

ferris209 said:

get a gun, or three.

no thankyou.   Besides, every once in while, my 3 year old niece is over the house.   I wouldn't want there to be any chance of her finding and playing with a gun and hurting herself or others.

Yeah, uh, sure. I'm gonna do with my daughter what my Dad did with me. Show me the gun, take the bullets out, let me handle it, tell me I can touch it anytime I ask him and he is there. He told me it was a tool used to protect yourself, defend your family, and even get food. It was not for play. He took me out later and let me shoot it, I was about 7 I think. I lost ALL curiosity about it and since it was no longer the "forbidden fruit", it was just another object in the house. Seriously Warb, you put too much stigma on guns. Come on down to Texas and I'll take you out shooting.

No, but I've fired two whilst running.

get a gun, or three.

hit up some pawn shops for old balls, dime a dozen around here.