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#1504747
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Is the idea of Criterion putting the OT out on BR or 4K such a far-fetched concept now?
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I am really hoping Disney licenses the work out. I have little to no confidence that they will treat the star wars franchise properly. I don’t know if it is a “we don’t want to spend time/resources/money” on making decent releases, or if it simply laziness on their part. The fact is they DO have all the archive materials and resources to make the pent-ultimate release, and for whatever the reason may be, they are sitting on it. I really don’t buy into the “it’s George’s wishes to keep it buried” idea. He sold lock, stock and barrel. Disney is out to make money on that investment. But who really knows.

It seems that with Disney lately, the MO is quick turn-around, minimal effort for maximized profits. The 2019 Star Wars sets screams of said MO. I have no way to track how well the “skywalker saga” sets sold, but I wonder why anyone would buy something that offered little to no real value over what was previously available.

I mentioned this on another thread, but I personally feel that if disney were to release star wars (again), it would HAVE TO BE something of significance. The market has already been saturated for nearly twenty years with releases of sub-par DVDs, Blu Ray, and now UHDs. Disney must realize that they have beaten this horse to death already. They are at the bottom of the barrel. I can literally see no other thing they can do but to release the original unaltered trilogy, in a manner fitting of a properly scanned and mastered-to-perfection UHD/Blu Ray.

Somewhere at disney I hope someone is weighing this out. They must know of the 4k77, 4k83 and soon to be released 4k80 projects, and how they are highly prized by (perhaps a small number, who knows) fans of the series. It may be a small market, but let’s be honest… the market for the SE might not be a market anymore somewhere down the road.

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#1503567
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Project <strong>4K80</strong> (a WIP)
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I could see it happening, but only for the original trilogy.

Fact: Disney has a massive star wars archive that could result in newer and spectacular extras for a set.
Fact: Disney (hopefully) understands that a next physical release has to really stand out from the previous LAZY/Little to no effort releases from 2019, most of which they did not do any work on, but rather another company.
Fact: Criterion has the staffing, manpower, and motivation to do outstanding work.

Theory/Question: I could see Disney doing this solely on the basis that they don’t have the time or inclination to play around with or dig through the massive amounts of film, video, audio snippets, photo prints etc. that are laying around in the “archives”. Someone in Disney must surely be weighing out that a substandard release would cost them more in the long run as opposed to licensing the trilogy out to a company that would make such an awesome release that it would sell enough copies to make a quick buck for the Big D.

The 2019 sets sold decently, but probably not as well as they projected, which is why they also optioned it for their streaming service.

Putting out another set of the OT would have to be done wisely. The market is saturated with this product already, so it would make sense to do something extraordinary for the next release.

Also…I am sure they are very aware of the 4k projects here. At some point they need to reach out to this niche market. It literally is the bottom of the pot for Disney, so I could see them licensing the work out to criterion, and selling a limited amount of sets before taking criterion’s work and selling them later down the line for themselves.

whew! ok that is all I got. Sorry for the long-windiness.

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#1503125
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Do you want to see a Remake of the OT?
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Emre1601 said:

Maybe an animated series of the entire Star Wars saga would be more interesting. To see classic events from the original films told from a different point of view, maybe from different characters too. With the goal of a 9 film series being written a lot more coherently.

This. Exactly This. I have always thought a traditional anime style retelling of the entire star wars saga would be fantastic. It would have to be done traditionally though, none of this CGI fake anime style. I would love the style of art to be similar to something along the lines of Neon Genesis Evangelion or Akira.

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#1456638
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The Empire Strikes Back Grindhouse Cut Restoration (CANCELLED)
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Oojason,

It is possible (just my opinion) that the same folks that have been turned off by the bluish / magenta tones of the 2011 blurays are looking at this project (which looks similiar in tone to said blurays)and are simply not stoked about it.

It’s also possible that folks are just super busy not to notice yet.

For my own case, I am so looking forward to project 4k80 which is nearing completion, that this doesn’t really register on my radar.

I want to be clear. I am not knocking on the above project, because the results are pretty nice. But as you also mentioned the blue-ish color… which we all have seen/owned.

Very Respectfully,
Erich

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#1449676
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Project <strong>4K80</strong> (a WIP)
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Guitardemon,

He must be burning the midnight oil…

I looked at the progress wheels for frame cleanup last week and saw an uptick on the 16th, and then today there was even more progress.

Williarob,

What tunes are you listening to when you are in the zone? Or are you the silent worker type?
Earlier last week I colorized about five frames and it seemed to drag on … yesterday I popped on some music and before I knew it, I had completed a probably around 18-20 frames.

I was just curious as to what drives you. Also, when you hit the wall, what do you find helps to get back at the work? Some days I look at at I have done and feel ok, and other days I look at what hasn’t been finished and it seems like it will never end.

At any rate, it is always exciting watching those wheels build up!

Very Respectfully,
Erich

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#1448958
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Project <strong>4K80</strong> (a WIP)
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Williarob,

Don’t sweat it brother, there is a high probability this is guy is trolling given that a) His join date is literally within the last 16 hours or so, and b) his first post just happens to be the equivalent of poking a bear with a stick.

Many of us understand the hard work you and the other OT folks are doing. I myself am working on colorizing a deleted scene and it is literally a frame by frame effort.

Folks, LIFE HAPPENS. Leave the worker bees alone. If you are in desperate need of The Empire Strikes Back, there are SEVERAL OPTIONS available.

My apologies if this rubs anyone the wrong way.

Very Respectfully,
Erich

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#1434165
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Star Wars: deleted and extended scenes * database *
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Good evening folks,

WXM, thank you for the kind words and recommendations. I am taking a week off from the project so I can get some fresh eyes on it. I will definitely tinker with some of the values you mentioned. That being said I will probably never be 100% satisfied with it (I am somewhat a perfectionist to a fault).

Benduwan, I am always open-minded towards future endeavors. I think after this scene, I will take a look at the rancor material you sent me. I have not decided the way ahead on that one yet.

The kid in me is always looking forward to what’s next, while the old fart in me keeps saying “finish one thing at a time” 😃)

At any rate, I am very excited to have this project to work on. It makes retired life more fun.

Very Respectfully,
Erich

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#1433782
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Star Wars: deleted and extended scenes * database *
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Bobson,

Thanks, I appreciate the comment. I initially tried to key out the grey backing using various filters with different tolerances… I could never get a clean separation of the actors from the backdrop.

So I pulled every frame individually into photoshop and erased the background out for each…individual frame…

It really was (as far as I could manage) the only way to get the desired look. Even after all the isolation work was complete, there remain bits and pieces here and there in the footage that still bug me as I watch it play out.

That being said, there has to be a line somewhere between the time / effort I spend with that particular task, and a point of diminishing return. At the end of the day I think it works well enough.

I truly wish I could have chroma-keyed the backdrop out though… It would have saved me hours/days/weeks of work.

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#1433717
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Star Wars: deleted and extended scenes * database *
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June 1st update:

I have finished the frame isolation and compositing for the first scene. Early in the process I realized the original footage did not match the framing of the movie scene. This resulted in the crewmen and chewie being cropped before appearing in the scene as they both walk into frame.

If I was a lazy guy I would have simply cropped everything to match the video footage…

But, in keeping with the look and framing of the finished film, I matched the framing as best as possible and re-used footage to fill in the spots where the actors walk on and off the screen.

I put together this montage to show you what I mean:

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At any rate, I am moving on to colorizing the rest of the footage of the close up with Lando, Chewie, Luke and Leia.

Here is what is done so far:
https://i.imgur.com/4xQk10g.mp4

(Edit): sorry for the video looking so soft… the IMGUR site does indeed compress it down a bit. I can’t even see the light grain I added.

As always, any feedback is welcome.

Very Respectfully,
Erich

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#1428083
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Star Wars: deleted and extended scenes * database *
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Benduwan,

I render out to 1280 x 720 (24fps). I think when I upload it to imgur, it compresses it down a bit… I am not sure at this time how else to deliver the video for viewing. I could drop it on youtube I suppose and just put the link on here…

Suggestions?

(edit) I think maybe my grain filter may be a bit TOO heavy as well. Once the project is complete, I will render out a final version with and without grain for all to use as needed.

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#1428081
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Star Wars: deleted and extended scenes * database *
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Thank you for the kind comment.

I am using Adobe Photoshop where I adjust all the white/black reference points, and then I create custom color pallets for individual items (i.e. "lando skin tone, chewie fur, Han skin tone, etc, and then I simply paint it all in. I stack the frames in my video editing software (cyberlink powerdirector), and add a grain filter which helps hides some of the banding and macroblocking artifacts from the source.

Thankfully, there are TONS of reference images out there for me to develop my color pallets from, although some I had to wing a bit.

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#1427940
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Star Wars: deleted and extended scenes * database *
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Newest update!

First of all, happy May the 4th (late).

Attached is a link to what I have done so far which is:

  • Colorized first scene (mid shot interior conversation with Han and Lando)

-Beginning of the frame isolation and matte composite of the first scene which won’t be finished for a bit.

Scene cuts to close up of Lando and Chewie embracing. (I am going back and forth between the above work and colorizing the frames for this second scene).

As always, comments and critique are very welcome.

https://i.imgur.com/MCabJ0g.mp4

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#1424617
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Star Wars: deleted and extended scenes * database *
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Update…again.

Ok, I think I have my color palettes about right for this scene so far, I still haven’t developed the palettes for Luke and Leia yet though.

At any rate, here is a single colorized frame from the next take. My apologies up front if Lando’s skin tone isn’t spot on. Video tape gamma is a pain to toy with, and I have been back and forth teetering on his skin tone being either too red or to yellow.

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#1422149
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Star Wars: deleted and extended scenes * database *
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UPDATE:

Ok, so far I have the first take colorized for the most part. Still have to figure out what I am going to do with the two crewman walking across the background, and eventually I will composite in the matte painting of the falcon.

I have uploaded a newer test of the colorized footage which leads into the next take which is a close up scene with Lando, Chewie, Luke and Leia. My next step is to make the color palettes for all the bits in this scene and then get to colorizing the frames.

This scene is quite a bit longer, and has a lot more shades/detail to it, so it will take a bit more time then the first take. At least I don’t have to composite on this one.

https://i.imgur.com/OyFzCmn.mp4

So far so good, and I am having a blast working on this!

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#1417977
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Star Wars: deleted and extended scenes * database *
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Good Evening All,

I am still individually colorizing the frames for the extended “hangar scene” from return of the jedi. There is some color bleed and missing color in some spots, but this is a work in progress that will take some time. This is what I have so far.

Once I am done coloring and cleaning all the frames as best possible, I will composite the millennium falcon matte painting behind the actors and add a little grain to somewhat blend it all together, and then render out a final video clip.

Benduwan is putting an together an extended cut of ROTJ. This will be my first real contribution to this project.
Comments and critique are welcomed.

https://i.imgur.com/JmpR2IU.mp4

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#1414401
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<strong>Empire Strikes Back</strong> - 'Behind The Scenes / Making Of' <strong>images</strong> thread
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Wow…

Every time I see pictures like this I think about what it must have been like for them. Probably one of the best times of their lives.

I am going to copy all the images and Adjust the black / white points/gray scale in order to bring these pics back to life. I probably won’t do any repairs though on the scratches. If anyone wants them let me know. Otherwise I will keep them in my “fixed” photo archive.

Great find by the way!

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#1401312
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<strong>4K77</strong> - Released
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Whew… Got it finally! Thanks all for the assistance. I can play with histograms and bezier curves all day, but when it comes to html stuff… yikes.

At any rate, it took probably about 20 minutes to get the colors somewhat natural. Finding the black point and white point was not an issue, but finding a neutral grey point was a pain. After I got those levels corrected, I simply went to boost saturation on all channels, and then I went to the individual channels (RBGCMY) and adjusted for intensity and output level. The color data IS all there, it is just a real pain to finesse it out.