dvdmike

They were also unmolested and straight from the masters, mind you they were the start of the dreaded near-field mix 

Flexicon9 said:

I purchased the Criterion DVD when it was released years ago and still have it... after watching it recently I decided to look around for HD options, already aware from reviews that the various Blu-ray releases have been somewhat underwhelming.  The MGM HD Channel aired what they referred to as "the world premiere of the director's cut" (their language - I know he just considers it the MPAA unrated version) and it was okay looking but not great.  Was it really the 'world premiere'?  I don't know... thought the unrated version had been around for years.  Maybe this was the first HDTV broadcast of the unrated cut?  Okay it was HD yes, but not that impressive.  Then I found a hybrid of the recalled Sony Blu-ray and an HDTV broadcast of the unrated version.  I have to say the clarity and overall color timing was much, much better than the MGM HD broadcast.  Some guy put it together and it's the best HD Robocop I know of so far.  The audio track was strong and it even included the director's commentary.  It's definitely a quality project and worth a look.

(his notes:  The majority of this project utilizes the theatrical Sony Blu-ray as the main source with additional uncut sequences from an HDTV broadcast being spliced in where necessary... the DTS track was taken from the MGM Blu-ray and the commentary is from the Criterion DVD.  Grain has been added to the HDTV source sequences to achieve visual parity to the Sony Blu-ray.)

Sky and channel 5 have had the DC on TV in the UK

Can't be done with a script? How about the hard way, frame by frame manually?

No it was always the special edition, Cameron had final cut the directors cut was the theatrical version the laserdisc confirms this

Why? We want the cds audio and the directors cut so we went for the theatrical.

The special was just that, something fun for fans shame ruined the audio tho

Theatrical

I feel rather outclassed and pointless now, rather than waste anymore time I will hand it off 

For some reasons neither of my blu-rays will rip anymore! they did before as I took shots from them, I need to find my dvd sorry guys 

The UK disc is cut

I am ripping it now! 

Did you want the english dub or the french english italian mix?

I can rip it sure, the 5.1 will be an upmix 

What is wrong with the UK PCM track?

bigrob said:

 

from memory, there isn't a DTS-MA 5.1 English track for it at all. closest to it is aa Dolby Digital 5.1 (640 kbps) on the Australian Blu-ray and a LPCM 2.0 track on the UK disc (be warned though as the first UK BD didn't have the English track, just a dubbed French track which they had to re-press)

there is also a DTS 5.1 track on the Japanese and Korean DVD's but that's the only DTS track released for it.

from what i recall on the other thread, there are a few subtle differences in timing between the two and some alternate footage as well as detailed here

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Big-Blue-US-edit-1988/post/578675/#TopicPost578675

the titles are also slightly different in both cuts

I got caught in that re-pressing, I have both discs I don't mind as its in my top ten of all time 

dark_jedi said:

Damn I have not heard of this movie and read at IMDB on it and started grabbing it without even realizing there is a US version, so I am assuming the version I am grabbing is not lol, oh well at least I can still check this out.

Can a US version be made form the longer BD version or is it totally different like Conan lol? and is there an HD version of the US version anywhere? also what are the differences? sorry for all the questions I am new to this movie.

I have no idea why people prefer the US version part from the score (even tho Serra's score if one of my favorite of all time) , same with the english dub european version (that extra 45 mins make the movie)

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4272913.

It was better when not cut to shreds and with the multi language soundtrack imo, as you have not seen the film I would recommend you try and watch both.

I do stuff the hard way, mostly scene by scene by eye!

I saw the blow up of  6 but in no way could I confirm that

That is some good work, you have a full size link for that corrected shot?

msycamore said:

Harmy said:

I'm still hoping for a more detailed explanation about PSB as a reference - I know Ady is using it as a pretty literal reference (although he is taking some liberties but I think he believes those to then be different from theatrical color timing) and I'd like to know if there's some proof beyond "it looks like it's not faded" that the PSB is the closest color reference. You know, I'd really like to know whether I can trust PSB the same way as I did with the IB print for Star Wars - i.e. not keeping 100% perfectly faithful to it but keeping very close to it. Because at first glance PSB looks a bit wrong to me in some scenes but it could be for the same reason the IB print did look wrong but in the end we accepted it as a good reference and got used to those colors, even though they were differnt from what we were used to watching on discolored video releases. But in the case of the IB print, that was conclusively proved to be non fade material, plus there were several of them and the colours were the same (or close enough) on each of them - is there any such empirical evidence of the PSB colors being similarly correct?

As with Star Wars there's no 100% "correct" or "accurate" , I've seen the IB Technicolor timing myself and even that supposed bulletproof source look off in many scenes but if you know what to look for I guess it beats everything out there, imo all these should only serve as a guide, not as a bluprint. In no way does Puggo Strikes Back represent an theatrical "accurate" color timing of ESB if I have to voice my opinion, it looks very good sometimes, but even as one who just speak as a layman in the field, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that there's too much blue in many sequences. Not an attack on Puggo's and Ady's work, I absolutely love it, but I think it's quite obvious where it is too much - you have quite severe levels of blue in it in some scenes, to the point where it actually starts to show up in skintones and even hair, some scenes are so cold/blue they almost starts to take on a black & white quality for the lack of a better description. Harmy, if you follow this print religiously, you're only doing your project a disservice imo.

The only official ones that can give some guidance are the GOUT (perhaps the '80's P&S for some particular clues) and '97SE, the latter was tweaked in certain scenes but is otherwise pretty true to its origin. The biggest offender when it comes to these clusterfucks of transfers is the heavily manipulated contrast levels, for that I think the '97SE broadcasts can be an excellent reference for you. It's mostly brightened in the re-comps, and when it comes to ESB, the GOUT is actually worse in terms of DVNR-smear compared to the '97 broadcasts. I saw there was some discussion of the establishing shot of the Imperial fleet some pages back, my suggestion would be for you to use the '97SE source instead to overcome its problems there if possible. Higher res, no clipped whites or crushed blacks, original fx except the dissolve which I assume you would recreate anyway. But I guess there's bad compression artifacts to deal with instead.

No proof. Just my thoughts on it...

IB prints have a look all their own, Godfather in 35mm never looked like the IB they based the Blu off in the 3 times I saw it 

How do i know if it is missing stuff?

What is the end work of the full message?

mikeaz123 said:

skyjedi2005 said:

This is not the same print that was shown in Baltimore is it?  With the platter damage on the sides.

 

No this isn't that print. I heard that there are two excellent prints out there, one of which is the one used in Baltimore (no clue who owns it but I know it cost them $$$$$$), but I'm told those two prints have some issues.  I know of three other collectors who have prints and each one says theirs are choppy or messed up to varying degrees.  I know of two other people who may have them, but I don't know the condition of those.  One collector and I were trying to figure out how many were struck originally, it couldn't have been that many.  The prints were reused for the 1980(?) re release, so they took a further beating then.

I always thought it was 2-300ish

Edit: Beaten like the empire

Spaced Ranger said:

I knew it ... I KNEW IT!  There never were green Deathstar interiors!!

WHO is responsible for this outrage?!?

                                            "I am your green daddy!"

Green is on Yarvin 

poita said:

I can't do 4K but it would cost me about USD$6000 to upgrade my current rig to 2736x2192 @ 48bit colour, which is about 6MP per frame.

But with a new gate and a few other adjustments I could do 2K now.

I seriously think we should do a kickstarter or the like, I think between us we can make that and if we get an uncompressed file for fast connections and a BD 50 it would be with the investment 

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Mike, you should pass on the SE reel... the mono reel is far more valuable.

This is now officially my favorite thread.

He would have to leave it there, there is a chance he could leave it and never get it back.

It is not like it is rare or anything 

So its a new hybrid? ugh!

I am theatrical only personally 

http://www.photosonics.com/film_scanner.htm

350k if anyone has some spare change and really needs 4k