Do you mean the rough cut of the pilot, that missed the war scene at the start and had a bunch of temp score (largely culled from The Straight Story)? I’m pretty sure I have the original RealMedia (ha!) file that was being hosted back in the early-noughties somewhere if it’s any help.
jedimasterobiwan, it sounds like what you’re really after is the Primitive Screwhead Edition DVD that RidgeShark made a few years ago. It is only available in SD (and RidgeShark has no plans to upgrade it, so don’t ask him), but used the best sources available at the time so it’s still great to watch.
If you don’t know how to edit, it’s never been easier to learn how - even very basic tools are accessible and it’s a lot of fun once you start trying.
Australia got the TV Cut on DVD, also.
It is in “The Definitive Collection” 5 Disc set.I do not know how it compares to the German and US ones.
There’s screengrab comparisons between the TV cuts on the Madman and Scream discs at this review:
http://www.dvdexotica.com/2015/06/the-definitive-army-of-darkness-many.html
The Madman looks a little better, though probably equal to the Koch.
This forum user reports that the TV cut is 90 minutes on the PAL Madman DVD:
http://www.horrordvds.com/community/threads/army-of-darkness-definitive-collection-australasia.45489/
So it would appear that PAL speed-up wasn’t applied here either. Again, it may be derived from the Koch master.
Sounds great RidgeShark! Frankly, you could just upscale the versions of the deleted scenes you made for the Primitive Screwhead Edition and I’d be happy 😃
I was excited to see the TV cut on the Scream Factory edition (on which I couldn’t help but notice you got a thank-you) but within seconds let out an involuntary “URGH!”. Very shabby of Scream to literally just rip it from the Koch DVD; they did the same to the various EPK segments, but this time slowed down from 25fps to 23.976, giving everyone (especially Sam) slightly deeper voices than they should have. It’s bizarre that Koch didn’t convert to PAL properly; irritatingly, they recently did the same thing to the ultra-rare Darkman TV pilot (transferred from the director’s Betacam copy) on their newly-released boxset of that trilogy.
EDIT: dual post
was this project ever completed, I must have access to it if it was !!
No.
As someone who personally donated a part of my childhood Gremlins collection to the project only to never see it again, I at least wish we could see the work-in-progress released, even if there’s no way it will be finished.
I have no idea where you could locate these, but even outside of the project I’d love to see two Disney TV specials commissioned to tie into the film’s release in 1979 - The Adventures of Major Effects and Black Holes: Monsters That Eat Time & Space. Both feature effects work by Mike Jittlov, and I’ve never been able to find copies of either despite my best efforts. (A 20-minute excerpt from Major Effects is on YouTube, including some of the Black Hole tie-in footage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6PBnuA-yWc)
I actually taped the Major Effects special when it was broadcast on Qatari television back in the early 80s. It’s in PAL, the colours are weak, and there are burnt in arabic subs, but you’re welcome to it if you’d like. Drop me a PM if you’re interested.
Sending a PM now! 😄
I have no idea where you could locate these, but even outside of the project I’d love to see two Disney TV specials commissioned to tie into the film’s release in 1979 - The Adventures of Major Effects and Black Holes: Monsters That Eat Time & Space. Both feature effects work by Mike Jittlov, and I’ve never been able to find copies of either despite my best efforts. (A 20-minute excerpt from Major Effects is on YouTube, including some of the Black Hole tie-in footage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6PBnuA-yWc)
Checked the HD file that I downloaded a while ago (presumably a Netflix rip), and it is indeed the theatrical version. I won’t link to it, but Googling “Explorers.1985.1080p.WEB-DL.DD5.1.H264-FGT” will lead you to the right place. (Apologies if I’ve broken any rules by giving the file name.)
Originally before the end credits, in the theatrical cut, the alien Wak “broke the fourth wall” and remarked on people who were still in the theater from the smell of popcorn. In the re-edited home video version, he just tells another joke before it cuts to the closing credits.
FWIW, I just checked the Netflix UK version and it does indeed have the popcorn line at the end 😃 Still haven’t got round to checking the 1080p file I downloaded recently, but will try to soon.
From what I understand, wasn’t the plug pulled on shooting/editing partway through to meet the release date? I was under the impression that there was a whole third act scripted that had to be dumped.
I saw a 35mm theatrical print at the Prince Charles Cinema in London a year or two ago and as best as I can recall, the top two scenes were in and the third scene wasn’t.
Just checked and the version currently on Netflix UK is the theatrical edit with both scenes (and missing the third one from the link). I’m fairly certain the theatrical edit is what’s played on Film4 here in the UK in the last year or two as well. I downloaded a 1080p version of this a while ago, I’ll try to check it when I get home later.
I thought there were still legal issues between Jittlov and Richard Kaye, and that’s why it’s never been re-released? Or is it really just Jittlov’s fear of getting screwed over yet again?
Richard Kaye died in 2004, so it’s definitely more Jittlov’s fear of being screwed over again. I know that Mike has the negative of the film back now (which is likely melting in his basement - argh!), and is certainly under the impression that he has all rights to the film too; he says that Kaye sold the film to SGE illegally without his signature, and therefore the rights are his by default, though I suspect the truth might be more complicated than that.
Anyway, have been long ruminating on the idea of kicking off a Jittlov project on here for a while, as I’ve been collecting stuff for the last couple of years, including a few shorts on (faded) 16mm and German and Spanish dubs of WOSAT (the latter on Betamax!), among others. A lot of the existing rips were done in the VCD days and could be hugely improved upon! Many of the shorts will probably never see an official release due to music rights issues (he never got clearance for Petula Clark’s “I Know A Place” in Animato, for example).
EDIT: Forgot to add that one of the main obstacles in the film being re-released is that Mike is dead set on further editing the film to make his official Director’s Cut (he sees it as only 60-70% complete), and not releasing it until then. So in the absence of finding a distributor he trusts, he has to fund that himself, which is unlikely.
THE WIZARD OF SPEED AND TIME. Mike Jittlov holds all the 35mm materials for the film but is so distrustful of distributors based on previous experiences that nothing will likely happen with the film 😦 Certainly the LD capture from ten years ago that still circulates could be improved upon.
benduwan said:
benduwan said:
do anybody know where i can find the Evil Dead 2 Full Mexican TV Version?
http://www.bookofthedead.ws/website/evil_dead_2_versions.html
there´s nobody who can help with this??????? :-((
Correct, no-one has it (who has stepped forward, anyway).
zeropc said:
send the wrong copy... yeah right.
Actually, it's way more likely than you think. It's Studiocanal (the film's UK distributor), not Sony, who would have done the deal with Channel 4 and supplied the HD master. If, as I suspect, Studiocanal had an HD master of the unrated cut lying around that was previously intended as bonus material (before Ghost House and/or Fede Alvarez decided otherwise), there would have been nothing to stop someone in Studiocanal's tape library literally pulling the wrong master off the shelf by accident.
Space Kaijuu said:
All of the BD releases of the Director's Cut and International Cut are from a 720p source that was upscaled to 1080p.
From what I understand, that is the case for the Director's Cut, but not the International Cut. If I remember correctly, Koch worked from an HDCAM SR on the latter.
With regards the German disc at least, Koch Media got a DigiBeta tape from Universal, so it's not a fan transfer. However, it's an NTSC>PAL transfer with no speed-up etc applied, so might be a tough one to work with from what I recall.
The film has shown on The Horror Channel in the UK quite a bit recently - it'll have a watermark on it, but is probably someone's best bet for a "clean", non-VHS copy. There don't appear to be any airings lined up but it'll be worth keeping an eye out for one.
http://www.horrorchannel.co.uk/shows.php?title=Something%20Evil
A good buddy of mine has made a new documentary about some of the less-recognised faces in the original Star Wars film and needs your help to complete it! The Kickstarter link is below, hope this is of interest to some of you:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/832232974/elstree-1976
Just got home from the Prince Charles screening myself. It was also my first time seeing the film so am not in a position to confirm for sure what was or wasn't in the film compared to other versions, though was trying to take mental notes to report back here. A few notes on the print:
- At the very beginning there was a very brief glimpse of an MPAA "PG" card, no sign of a BBFC one.
- This was followed by the Saul Bass Warner logo, and then the Buck Rogers short excerpt.
- The print was quite pink (very similar to the 16mm colour correcting samples on the previous page of this thread), but more or less in pretty good nick, quite a few splices and scratches around reel changes as you'd expect from a theatrical print of that vintage.
- Based on thxita's translation of the extended Sen/kids scene, from what I recall that extra dialogue was not in the print tonight, just Sen talking about "combined primary economics".
So from what I understand it was the 1977 version. Hopefully someone else who knows the film better than me was there too and can chip in, but am reporting back just in case! :)
Has there been a DVD compilation yet of trailers and TV spots for the original trilogy yet? I know there have been all sorts of preservations of various ones over the years (thinking especially of this ESB one), but as a big fan of vintage trailers (and collector of the 42nd St Forever DVDs and other similar compilations) wondered if any effort had been made to having them all available on the same disc in the past? (Couldn’t find anything from a search.)
I was briefly considering doing fan preservations of the Ewok TV movie trailers that are kicking around, but would be much more inclined to do it if it were part of a bigger project…
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Now we need only a confirm that the german BD colors are better than US (or HDTV)...
The German disc does indeed look a lot better here:
Shout! Factory claim their version is the same master as the Image disc, but I'd be intrigued to see if screencaps bear that out colour-wise.
NeonBible said:
What is the original audio format for Big Trouble?
Why do the DVD releases have a 4.1 rather than 5.1 mix? Is it because that was similar to how it was played theatrically or just what was decided for DVD?
Big Trouble was also released in 70mm so certainly should have had a six-track mix originally. The Blu-Rays all appear to have 5.1, including the upcoming Arrow Video set.
When you say "which ones has a proper commercial release at the present day", do you mean retail versions, or finished fan restorations?
Adding blu-ray.com scores for the TV stuff:
Here's a bonus that didn't make it onto the film's Blu-Ray release - the theatrical trailer for Elvis, used for its cut-down cinema release outside the US.
dvdmike said:
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=964068
Uncut comparison, I have 100% seen this stuff somewhere and I have no idea where!!
That's because they're edited-together clips from Greg Nicotero's camcorder footage crudely inserted into the film. This is in absolutely no way a proper extended version - save your money, don't buy it.