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#1599596
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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Just found the thread and decided to throw my hat into the ring. I have not seen Rogue One or Solo because I had zero interest in them when they came out, and while I still have no interest in ever watching Solo, Andor made me want to watch Rogue One, but I’m gonna wait until season 2 is finished and watch it as a finale to Andor.

The movies that I hate
10 Clone Wars. Really bad opening episodes to the tv series edited into an awful movie.
9 Rise of Skywalker Really enjoyed it when it came out, but have realized it’s an empty husk of a movie filled with fanservice in an attempt to lure back fans who hated The Last Jedi

I feel lukewarm on these next two
8 Phantom Menace I have a general fondness for this movie and I like a lot of aspects to it, but most of it is just kind of slow and boring
7 Attack of the Clones, I like the movie, but it’s hampered by lots of poor acting and some really cringy moments

Every film from here on out is a legitimately great movie
6 Force Awakens is a great film and a really good reintroduction to Star Wars that unfortunately suffers from being too similar to A New Hope
5 A New Hope The one that started it all, I feel putting it at number 5 is really controversial, but I have some minor pacing issues that put it here
4 Revenge of the Sith I love the movie it finally delivers on everything that the prequel trilogy purported to be about and Anakin’s fall is handled really well. Still has some issues with poor dialogue and acting choices, but the final act is some of my favorite moments in Star Wars
3 Return of the Jedi A fantastic ending to the original trilogy, sure it has some minor issues, like Han not getting much to do, but it does a great job of ending everyone’s character arcs and is incredibly poignant and emotional
2 Last Jedi the only thing stopping this from being number one is the Canto High sequence is the least interesting part of the movie, mostly because of that awful chase scene on the Farthier’s
1 Empire Strikes Back One of the 5 favorite films ever.

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#1599410
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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Having had time to sleep on the finale and think on the series as a whole I think I’ve identified the biggest issues with the series. This post will mostly be focused on the negatives of the show as I see them so while it may come across that I thought the show was bad, I do still ultimately like the show. First off the show has a big issue with characterizing both Mae and Osha, with Mae facing the brunt of the characterization issues. Her character starts off well enough with her drive for revenge and when we learn the reason for it her motivations make a lot of sense, but the issues start to show when we get to her character arc. When she decides to betray her master in episode 4, and turn herself into the Jedi it doesn’t feel natural. On paper I could see how it could kind of make sense, she wanted revenge on the Jedi because she thought they killed her entire family including Osha but with the revelation that Osha is alive her need to reconnect with her sister takes precedence. However, it doesn’t come across as a natural course for her character development to take because we didn’t really get to know enough about Mae beforehand for this to come across as making sense for her character. That has a lasting negative chain effect on her character arc up until the final episode.

This brings me to Osha, the show does a much better job with her characterization and other than the weird opening to episode 4, it does a much better job of seeding her character arc through the show to where it makes sense. Her feelings of loss, her anger at her sister, her failure to become a Jedi all of this stuff is written decently, which unfortunately brings me to the real reason the characters don’t really work as well as they should have, Amandla Stenberg’s performance. I haven’t seen them in much but I really liked them as an actor in the stuff I have seen. They were fantastic as Rue in The Hunger Games, and their performance in The Hate U Give was incredibly nuanced and raw, but they don’t do that great of a job here. Maybe it’s because of the dialogue writing which seems to be trying to emulate George Lucas’s way of writing dialogue in places, but the acting for both characters mostly comes across as stilted throughout much of the series. There are places where her acting is good and on point, but because she is ostensibly the main character having stilted acting muddles the character arc both characters are supposed to have even more.

This brings me to the other issue that hampers the series, the pacing. For better and worse this is very much a Disney+ streaming series in that the show is too long for its own good. Like so many other series this show feels like a movie that was forced to be artificially stretched out into a series due to the Disney overlord’s demanding more content to get people to subscribe to Disney+. Now I have no idea whether or not this is true, for all I know it was always pitched as an 8 episode series and they just didn’t do a good enough job of writing that amount of episodes but it still feels that way. The episodes have the issue of both being too short, and not feeling like they have enough happening in them at the same time. I think episodes 4 and 6 suffer from this predicament the most in that despite being relatively short it doesn’t feel like enough happens in them to justify the runtime. The 2 exceptions to this rule are episodes 5 and 8. With episode 5 it’s because despite being really short it’s packed full of action and things going on, and with episode 8 it’s because it’s one of the longer episodes in the series and also has a lot going on in it because it’s the culmination of the series. If the rest of the episodes had enough material in them as those 2 we would be having a much different discussion. I also think that making this a weekly release was a mistake and that they should’ve dropped all 8 episodes as a binge as I feel that watching all episodes at once would’ve worked better. That brings me to the biggest issue which is the structure of the series with the 2 flashback episodes.

The first flashback episode shows the events mostly from Osha’s point of view and adds even more questions to be answered such as what exactly are Mae and Osha. The problem with the flashback episodes is their placement in the series. On paper putting the first flashback as episode three after we’ve introduced all of the characters and the full scope of the conflict makes sense, and putting the final flashback episode in episode 7 right before the finale, with the final events of episode 6 being what they are makes sense, but in practice it completely ruins the pacing and buildup to that point. Putting the first flashback in episode 3 instead ends up putting the story to a halt just as it was starting to ramp up and build momentum, and putting the second flashback in episode 7 makes the series feel as if it won’t be able to conclude it’s story in the final episode. Also separating the flashback was also a mistake as both don’t really feel substantial enough on their own. The 2 flashback episodes should’ve been combined into 1 episode and I think then it should’ve been placed either as the first episode or putting right after episode 5 would’ve been the better way to go.

All that being said I did enjoy the show as a whole and I think the finale was really good and really ties the whole show together really well. I really loved what the show did with Sol in revealing that he really did all of this for himself, he told himself he was doing it to save Osha and Mae, but his actions really show that he was doing it more to prove the force vergence was real. While he tries to justify his actions as being to save Osha and Mae, and that he didn’t do anything wrong, it’s clear everything was really to satisfy his own ego. The fight scenes also continue to be excellent, the fight between Mae and Osha was really good, and I think it helps that because it’s an action sequence they’re allowed to use stunt doubles. I think the two best performances in the show were Sol and Qimir. Lee Jung-jae and Manny Jacinto are fantastic throughout and give incredibly nuanced performances and they’re the glue that helps keep the show together. After finishing the show I feel like the story, despite being hampered by pacing issues and some weak performances, ended up being pretty good and satisfying. Also, I think that The Acolyte should’ve been a movie instead of a series, but if it had to have been a series I don’t think it shouldn’t have been an 8 episode series but a 6 episode series. If I had to restructure the show I would’ve combined episodes 3 and 7 into one long flashback episode, and I’d combine episodes 4 and 5 into one episode as well. Episodes 1 and 2 would be the same episode 3 would be the combined episodes 4 and 5 Day/Night, episode 4 would be the full flashback episode Destiny/Choice and then episodes 5 and 6 would be the original episodes 6 and 8. I’ll probably make another post once I finish a rewatch but I did enjoy my time with The Acolyte and I’m looking forward to the various fan edits that will inevitably come out as I really feel condensing it down into a movie will do wonders for the story.

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#1599351
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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I wasn’t sure if it was possible, but I feel like the finale did a good job of ending the season. Personally despite enjoying the series up until now the previous 2 episodes made me very skeptical that they could wrap everything they needed to wrap up in 1 episode, but I think they did a good job of it. There are still some things unexplained and some unanswered questions, but when compared with its direct predecessor Ahsoka, it actually feels like a complete story. Honestly, if you just removed a few scenes and moments this would work as being a stand-alone Star Wars story. However that being said while I thought the finale was good, I don’t think it was good enough to change anyone’s opinion on the show. If you mostly thought the show was decent or pretty good, I think the ending will be mostly satisfying, but it’s not going to convert anyone who didn’t like the show up to this point.

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#1598640
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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After waiting a few days and rewatching episode 7 I’d have to agree that splitting up episodes 3 and 7, was a huge mistake. I stand by what I said earlier in that I liked the episode a lot, but it wasn’t anywhere near good enough to justify making us wait so long for it. Revealing that it was mostly Sol and Torbin’s fault wasn’t a good enough reveal to justify making us wait so long to get it, and it didn’t answer enough of the questions that the series had been setting up. I think if episodes 3 and 7 had been combined and put early in the show’ run I think the series would be a lot stronger. Episode 8 needs to be amazing for the series to wrap up well

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#1598440
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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I think this is probably one of the strongest episodes of the season. I loved that it was more complicated than I thought it was going to be and that it was really Sol and Torbin who were to blame for everything going wrong, while Indara and Kelnacca were forced into the conflict because of them. It also made me really like Indara because she was the most reasonable one of the Jedi. The tension throughout the episode was also incredibly strong. There were some fun nods to the High Republic books like the eater egg that this was one of the planets that was destroyed by the hyperplane incident detailed in Light of the Jedi. It also leads credence to the theory that Sol will either be blamed for the incident on Khofar, or might turn to the dark side himself. I do have some issues though, which could potentially be solved if there’s more information we receive in the next episode. What exactly the coven planned for Mae and Osha is still unexplained, as is how they were able to create them. Also the death of the Coven still feels really inconclusive. I guess we’re supposed to think that Indara severing the coven’s connection to Kelnacca either killed them or knocked them unconscious which led to them burning to death in the fire. It’s also very unclear if Mother Korril died or not. Like she turned into smoke and possessed Kelnacca, but we didn’t see her body afterwards. I hope they reveal she survived as they need some way to address these open questions and I think that’s the best way to do so.

Also while I did like the episode this did nothing to reassure me that the series will end up feeling completely satisfying by the end because it feels like we still have so much more that needs to be resolved. I really think releasing this after Ahsoka doesn’t do it any favors because that series completely dropped the ball in concluding its season by being more interested in setting itself up for season 2 than actually concluding the story. I mean not only do Ahsoka and Sabine get trapped on the planet, but Shin Hatti just leaves without her character getting a real resolution and despite spending the entire show building up Baylon’s plan we not only don’t get any explanation but it’s just shunted into season 2. I really think that’s one of the reasons fans had negative reactions to episode 3 and episode 6, because of Ahsoka, and also Book of Boba Fett and Mandalorina Season 3 I guess, there isn’t any confidence from a lot of the fanbase that this show will conclude in a satisfactory manner. Now if the final episode ends up being great and resolving the plot I think the show will end up being really strong for me as a whole, but everything’s really hinging on episode 8.

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#1597419
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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This was a much quieter episode than last weeks as it’s mostly ruminating on the previous episode’s events. I quite liked the episode, and I think it has some really strong writing moments, but I could understand other viewers being more frustrated with the episode. There’s not much in the way of forward plot progression here, but it delves deeper into Osha and Qimir’s characters and is mostly successful. We get some really interesting hints as to who Qimir really is, and I feel more connected to Osha than I have previously. It looks like next episode is going to be the second flashback episode as both final scenes seem designed to segway immediately into a flahsback, it even has the same director as that episode. I don’t really have much else to say about this episode though as like I mentioned it’s a way slower episode, but I did enjoy it although it’s making me a bit nervous about if this season is going to have a satisfying conclusion.

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#1596620
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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I did not expect the show to kill off most of its supporting cast here, I expected either Yorde or Jecki to die but not both of them. It really ups the stakes and finally delivers on the darker tone that the series is clearly going for. Whether or not the series can keep up its momentum in the final 3 episodes remains to be seen, but I have a lot more confidence that it’ll end up sticking the landing in the end. If I had an issue with the episode it would be that I don’t think Yorde was developed enough as a character for me to care about his death, and that the reveal of Qimir being the Sith was too obvious. Still I think the reveal was very well done and the acting is really great here as well. Lee Jung-jae and Manny Jacinto are really killing it with their performance, but I think Amandla Stenberg is more mixed there are some scenes that she nails but others, like the ending confrontation between the twins are a bit stilted. I also don’t think the ending where Mae switches places with Osha to be too believable so hopefully they won’t drag out Sol and Qimir realizing it too long.

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#1596579
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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Well, the one thing that you cannot say about The Acolyte after this episode is that it doesn’t take risks. This episode was an incredibly risky move. Sure the episode isn’t perfect and I have some issues with it, but this is clearly the best episode so far. The lightsaber battles were all really good, and it’s the only episode so far where the pacing doesn’t have big issues.

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#1595708
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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This is the episode that I’ve been the most conflicted on with this show. On the one hand, I think it’s the best paced episode of the season, but on the other hand, it’s ultimately too short and ends really frustratingly. It ends on a pretty big cliffhanger, but not the good kind of cliffhanger. It ends just as the Sith Lord appears and starts to attack the main cast right before ending the episode. It’s clear the intent with this cliffhanger is to get people talking and excited for the next episode by leaving it off with a shock, but I think it massively backfired here. It would’ve been way stronger if they let the confrontation play out to its conclusion, maybe ending on a character’s fate being unknown which would have worked.

Back to the positives though. The tone setting of this episode is strong throughout as the characters are traversing through the forest. The fog and increasing darkness due to the sun setting adds a really creepy and unsettling feeling leading up to the reveal. They’re really laying it on thick with the whole mystery of what the Jedi did on Brendok what with Sol’s conversation with Venestra, and then later on with Osha. Qimir continues to be my favorite character and the show really seems to be setting up as either a red herring for the Sith Lord, or to be the Sith Lord himself. Mae wavering from her mission and deciding to surrender to the Jedi, coupled with Osha feeling the dark slug insect creature through the force, is making me wonder if they’ll flip the two sister’s positions by having Mae come back to the light side, whilst Osha falls to the dark side. I also think this episode does a much better job of developing Jerrick and Yorde’s relationship with Osha. Having Jerrick smile and open up to Osha and Lorde display understanding and concern for Osha really helped endear them more to me. The next episode is going to need to really deliver on a lot of what the show has been setting up or I fear that this is not going to go down well. I’m thinking more and more like this show will benefit greatly from a movie fanedit as it unfortunately is feeling like it didn’t need to be 8 episodes.

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#1595653
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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Acbagel said:

As we’re ~12 hours away from Episode 4…

For those of you who liked the show so far, what are you hoping to see happen tonight? Which characters do you want to see in the spotlight? What are some plot developments you think would create more intrigue/excitement?

The thing I want the most in episode 4 is that we need to see The Sith Lord, and not just a tease like the end of the first episode but an actual scene. Maybe that scene from the trailers of him confronting the Jedi in the forest, or some other scene but we need actual interactions and dialogue with some of the cast. I also want to see Mae and Qimir in more of the spotlight as I find them more compelling than the Jedi we’re following. They also need to continue doing more to differentiate how the Jedi work in this specific era compared with what we know they become during the prequels as the show seems to be poised to explain how the Jedi became that. Even though I like the show I think it will fall apart if the answers to the mysteries aren’t satisfying or compelling and I think they need to have the 4 Jedi Mae wants to kill actually to have done something terrible enough to warrant wanting revenge. Making it a misdirect or some trick by the Sith to make Mae think they killed her family would be really unsatisfying to me because it would be way more compelling if Mae does have legitimate justification for wanting revenge on them.

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#1594793
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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Some spoilers for the episode in this post so if you haven’t seen episode 3 maybe watch it before reading my comment. I thought this was another good episode for this show, in fact I think it’s my favorite so far. This episode has to thread a very fine line between revealing a lot about what happened leading up to the massacre on Brendok whilst also keeping tons of things vague and unexplained, as well as setting up some new mysteries for what actually happened there. It succeeds by telling the story mostly through Osha’s point of view, yes we do get a few scenes where she isn’t present with Mother Anesyia, but other than those we are firmly rooted in her perspective which allows the episode to show what happened without giving all of the answers. However, that leads me to one of my issues with the episode, specifically Mae and Osha’s confrontation at the end. It felt really out of character for Mae to try and kill Osha, and it’s not believable that her burning Osha’s book could lead to such a huge fire. I mean I guess she could use the Force, or Thread as the Coven calls it, but there’s still a disconnect. I’m really hoping this is intentional meant to throw doubt on whether the scene really happened as we saw it. It feels like a setup to show that either it wasn’t Mae who did that, or it was some illusion that made it look like it was Mae.

Back to more positives, the episode expands the lore by showing the Jedi from a completely outside and somewhat hostile perspective. The scene where the Jedi confront the Coven is wrought with tension as it feels like both sides are moments away from attacking the other. I also liked how much it differentiated Mae and Osha with Mae reveling in using the Thread and wanting to remain part of the coven, and Osha wanting a different life, to not become a witch and to be her own separate person from Mae. We also learned new information about Osha and Mae’s origins, specifically that they’ve been somehow created unnaturally and that the Jedi would kill the coven if they found out and that wasn’t known beforehand. We learned that the Coven was previously persecuted and driven nearly to extinction before leaving to settle on this planet in peace. There’s clearly way more to the story but it answers just enough questions for me to feel satisfied. This was really the episode that completely hooked me into the show, I liked the first two, but this is the one that’s making this show a must watch for me.

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#1594284
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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Can we please just get back to talking about the show and stop with this stupid political bullshit? I mean we’re not even talking about The Acolyte anymore this thread is just derailing into this stupid circular argument that never ends because no one will decide to shut up about it. Can we all just collectively agree to stop bringing up whether or not the show is being review bombed or not because talking about that just seems to bring this dumb argument over and over again. It’s this type of thing that makes the Star Wars fandom so toxic because no one can just agree to disagree. If you’re not watching the show because you’ve been burned by the franchise too many times before then just comment that and leave this thread for the people who are actually watching the show. And if you actually decide to watch the show and want to discuss it and why you think it’s bad fine do that just stop with this whole stupid political argument so we can actually talk about the show and whether it’s good or bad. It’s just so exhausting and I’m sick of it.

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#1593825
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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Really enjoyed the first 2 episodes of the show and I think it’s the strongest Star Wars show since Andor. I think the writing is pretty good so far, and I don’t have any issues with the pacing so far. I think the key to whether or not I end up finding the show successful is going to hinge on if the answers to any of the mysteries it’s setting up are satisfying.

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#1592227
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Which one do you like more? The Prequels or the Sequels? And why?
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While I actually like both, I much prefer the sequel trilogy. First my thoughts on the Prequels. While I have lots of nostalgia for The Phantom Menace, and I don’t think it’s a bad movie, it’s just way too slow and plodding, the acting ranges from stiff and wooden to almost good, and it does a really bad job of making the galactic politics interesting. However despite that, I do really like Anakin in this film, and the action is really well crafted. Also all of the important dramatic beats such as Anakin saying goodbye to his mom, to Qui Gon Jinn’s death work, all of which help to make this an average movie rather than an outright bad one.

For Attack of the Clones, I’m one of the people that much prefers this film to its predecessor. The pacing is much better and I think the plot is intriguing and keeps my attention all the way through. Again the action beats are all really well done and the final act is really good. However, the issues again threaten to derail the movie. The acting still isn’t all that great and the dialogue is actually worse. The first act does a horrible job of reintroducing us to Anakin and Obi Wan and as such their relationship never really recovers. The romance starts off so bad with Anakin coming across as a creepy stalker, but once we get to Naboo I actually don’t mind the Anakin Padme Romance, despite the awful and cheesy dialogue. Hayden Christensen never really clicks as Anakin here due to the poor script and Lucas’s directing. He mostly comes across as a petulant child rather than a troubled teenager which is a shame cause when the script and direction allow him, such as when he discovers his Mom in the Tusken camp, and in the scenes where Anakin is silent allowing Hayden to act all through facial expressions he’s flawless. While it is a better time than Phantom Menace its issues are still too big for me to fully enjoy the movie.

Revenge of the Sith is the only one of the prequel trilogy that I think is an actually good movie and I think it’s a great film. Sure it still has its issues with regards to the dialogue and acting in a few moments, but I think the film is very entertaining. The opening act, while a bit too long, does a much better job of making Anakin and Obi Wan’s relationship work. It’s here that we finally see them fully trust each other and come across as friends. Once we get into the main conflict of the movie it’s incredibly compelling. The film does a fantastic job of making Anakin’s conflict with Obi Wan and the Jedi Council make sense and feel believable, and I think it handles Anakin’s fall to the dark side really well. I know some people disagree, but I think the execution is really good and I fully believe in the character arc. The final act is fantastic as well. The order 66 sequence is one of the best scenes in Star Wars, Natalie Portman’s Padme get the best line of dialogue in the entire franchise after Palpatine crowns himself Emperor, and the final fight between Anakin and Obi Wan, and Yoda and Sidious are fantastic. Sure there are still some really bad lines of dialogue even in these great scenes, but they don’t negatively affect my enjoyment of the film. If I had any issue with the film, it would be that Padme gets nothing to do because they deleted her subplot from the movie, but other than that I love this movie and it’s definitely one of the reasons why I think lots of people prefer the Prequel Trilogy.

The Force Awakens is a great movie that does an excellent job of setting up the rest of the trilogy. The new leads are extremely compelling and it was nice to finally have great acting back after the performances in the Prequel trilogy were oddly stilted and wooden. While it is a bit too similar to A New Hope I also think structurally it does more than enough to distinguish the film in a way that makes it distinctly unique. While there are times where Rey comes across as being too good at things, her character arc throughout the movie is extremely compelling and her relationship with Han works really well. I also love Finn and it’s a shame what happens with his character arc in the later movies. I don’t have any real issues with the film it’s just great fun all throughout.

The Last Jedi is very divisive amongst the fandom at large, and while I can definitely understand a lot of fans dissatisfaction with certain elements of the movie, Luke’s character arc specifically, it’s my favorite of the sequel trilogy and my second favorite Star Wars film. I really appreciated how it tried to establish some more moral complexity in the series. I loved everyone’s character arcs in this movie and it’s the only one in the ST where I think every main character gets something important and substantial going on with them. I think if there’s one flaw with the movie, other than Canto Bight, it’s that I don’t think it does a good enough job of making its theme and message come across. Also say what you want about the movie, at least it attempted to do something new and fresh with the franchise, unlike its sequel.

The Rise of Skywalker is probably the only Star Wars film I actively hate. When I first watched it in theaters I had a really fun time, but as time has gone on since it’s annoyed me more and more. There’s no tension because they keep fake out killing people, Finn and Poe get nothing to do, and Rey Palpatine is the worst backtracking I’ve ever seen in a major franchise. There are things that I do enjoy about it, I feel like Rey and Kylo Ren’s arcs despite the retcons, and the stuff on the Death Star wreckage is excellent, but ultimately it’s just a video game fetch quest made into a movie. Honestly, I think this is the worst film in the entire franchise specifically because it’s supposed to be the end to not only the sequel trilogy but the entire saga and as that it fails spectacularly. You can’t make the final movie to a trilogy by trying to spend half of the runtime retconning the previous film from existence. There’s a reason why the unmade Duel of the Fates is widely regarded to be how the trilogy should’ve ended, and despite my issues with the script, it at least gives everything something to do.

So despite Rise being awful and Revenge being great, why do I still prefer the Sequel Trilogy. I think it’s that despite the prequel trilogy coming together quite well and as a whole feels way more like a cohesive story, there’s no getting past the fact that I just don’t really love 2 of the 3 movies. I enjoy the prequel movies but I have lots of big problems with them that hamper my ability to fully enjoy them. With the sequels I love the first 2 movies I don’t have any big complaints with them that take me out of the movie. Sure Rise is awful, but the fan edits on this site have salvaged the film for me.

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#1588388
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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So the new trailer for this show has dropped and it’s way better than the first one we get a much better sense of the stakes and the scale that the story is going to take place on. The action we see here looks better than the previous trailer as well. Also, it seems like the color grading is a bit better and we’re seeing scenes with more desaturated colors and a better sense of characterization. So the trailer makes me way more hopeful for the show, but there’s still something that feels missing and I’m not sure what it is.

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#1584315
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The Rise of Skywalker: Untold (WIP)
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Just listened to the clip and think it’s pretty much seamless. The only line that feels slightly out of place is C3PO calling Exegol a “Hidden Temple” but it’s not too noticeable, and it’s really only those 2 words. The scene also feels less rushed than the original scene and it feels like it has enough room to breathe unlike in the original where it felt like they were just rushing the exposition because they had no time for it.

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#1582714
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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I’ve been way more positive on the recent Star Wars shows than other have been as despite their issues I greatly enjoyed Mandalorian season 3 and Ahsoka, but the trailer for this doesn’t inspire confidence. Its clear from the poster and trailer it wants to go for a darker, maybe even horroresque tone, but it does a poor job of portraying that. Others have mentioned the lighting as an issue, but more than that the fight choreography us somewhat lacking. I’m not sure what it was but the first fight that we see doesn’t seem as intense as it should be. I’m really hoping this is just a really bad trailer as I love the High Republic era and the premise is genuinely intriguing but the trailer just doesn’t work as it should.

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#1576610
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Anakin should have become Darth Vader before the last 10 minutes of Episode III
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I kind of understand where people are coming from with this, it would be cool for Darth Vader to show up for more than 2 scenes and actually get to do something, but I don’t think they’d really be able to sustain it for an extended period of time. If there is one thing that is consistent in the Star Wars TV Shows and Movies, it is that Darth Vader is used sparingly. He only shows up for a total of 37 minutes in the original trilogy, he gets around 10 minutes in A New Hope, 13 minutes in Empire, and around 14 in Return. In Revenge he only gets 2 scenes, he only appears for one scene in Rouge One, we get the epilogue scene in The Clone Wars which is only around 2 minutes, and he only appears in 3-4 episodes of Rebels for a grand total of 10 minutes. He gets 22 minutes in Obi-Wan, but that shows around 4 and a half hours long so it’s technically consistent with previous entries. I actually really like that because too much Vader I think would not work that well. Sure there have been comics and books where he’s the main character and focus of the story, and there’s a chance it could be cool, but I just don’t think it would satisfy anyone.

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#1575053
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<strong>The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread
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I’m excited about this. Season 2 was a big improvement on season 1, and season 3 looks to be even better, also the Ventress reveal has gotten me hyped for the season. Personally, I think the CG animated series are the most consistent branch of the Star Wars franchise. Sure they all start off not being all that well regarded, partially because of it being targeted more towards kids, and partially because of some weaker storytelling, then they get more mature and the more child-friendly aspects start to diminish, and then the final seasons have some of the best material in the franchise. Hopefully, the Bad Batch continues down this trend and continues the improvements made by season 2.

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#1574046
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'The Mandalorian &amp; Grogu' (Upcoming Movie) - General Discussion Thread
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act on instinct said:

If the writer’s strike had an effect on this I wouldn’t be too surprised, though I can just as well believe the finale would always be this way, they already experimented with episodes in select theaters and this sounds like a suped up special.

This studio is so trapped by short-sightedness, it’s shockingly predictable, maybe this is their best bet back into movies, but something still feels cynical here, like they decided on it with a calculator more than a script. Do the masses still care about Grogu at this point? I’ve only heard about waning interest, how many times can the baby button be pushed? It’s not like baby groot kept going forever. Maybe I’m underestimating Mando but as safe as they’re playing this I think they might be in for some hurt again. Either way as someone not very interested in the adventures of the mandalorian even if it’s entertaining it still feels like the same holding pattern until the next one, I’d prefer to move on at this point. No more cliffhangers and empty promises, it’s tiring.

People say that, but according to the Nielson charts when season 3 was airing it was consistently the 3rd and 4th most-watched streaming show in the U.S. and it did better than both Book of Boba Fett, and Obi Wan in terms of minutes viewed. Season 3 was consistently around 800 to 1100 million minutes viewed while Bobba Fett was only around 500 million minutes (although it did make it to 800 million minutesa few times) and Obi Wan around 400-600 million minutes. It also did a lot better than Ahsoka which again was between 400-800million minutes. Sure critically Season 3 was considerably less well received, especially by fans, than previous seasons, but in terms of the amount of views it still mostly held up. I mean it did have less people watching than season 2, which was consistently around 1200-1300 million minutes , and I think its lowest week was around 800 million minutes, but again Season 3 did make it to 1100 million minutes viewed once or twice as well

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'Rey Skywalker' (Upcoming live action motion picture) - general discussion thread
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Yeah, it’s annoying how she makes one innocuous comment about being the first female to direct a Star Wars movie, which by the way is an indisputable fact, in a fluff piece interview for New Years THAT WASN”T EVEN ABOUT STAR WARS. You know what the interview was actually about. Her documentary filmaking in her home country of Pakistan, which netted her two Academy Award wins by the way, and about how she’s inspiring, and financially supporting, the women of her country to become filmmakers like her. Like to everyone complaining about this, grow up. I mean come on, she didn’t mention any kind of political agenda or message other than, wow there hasn’t been a female who’s directed a Star Wars movie before.

Also to everyone wondering why people think you’re sexist when you complain about stuff like this let me enlighten you. The stuff about how they’re too focused on putting a message into the film and not enough time into making a good story is something that I think most people would agree with, (Heck I agree with it) if you just say that most people will probably be like, yeah they should focus on making a good story messaging is secondary. The stuff making people think you’re sexist is all this talk about the “Leftist Agenda” and calling ‘Gender equality a leftist media spewed myth” is the issue. Pretty much all of the people I see online who use this rhetoric are far right racist, sexist, homophobic, assholes who just don’t want to see women, people of color, or non straight people in main character roles. If your problem is that they’re not focused enough on telling a good story just say that and maybe don’t use sexist talking points in your comments.

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#1570123
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Finally got around to watching it last week and left a full review on IFDB. My short thoughts after I watched the Rey Nobody version, was that I loved it. It’s completely salvaged the final movie for me, I still have my issues with it and stuff I wish was cut out, but it no longer ruins the trilogy for me, so thanks for the edit I can finally fully enjoy the sequel trilogy. Can’t wait to see what everyone comes up with for V5.

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#1569631
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[APB123] Episode VII: Rise of The Last Jedi {under 3hr edit of the sequels} V3 RELEASED
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Mostly enjoyed the edit, I think this is a really good condensation of the sequel trilogy and I really liked the reordering of the stuff from Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, as well as the stuff that’s included from Rise of Skywalker. Most of the worst stuff from Rise of Skywalker is gone, but not much of the overall narrative from that movie has been changed. Still removing the worst stuff does make that section way more tolerable and because episode 9 is a whole lot shorter, and because both episodes 7 and 8 have been shortened a lot as well, it doesn’t feel as disappointing. I also like what was done with Leia a lot more than what they did in the theatrical cut. Some of the transitions are a bit abrupt, I noticed a few, but for the most part, the edit flows pretty well. If you were dissatisfied with the sequel trilogy, I think this is a pretty good replacement, especially for an edit less than 3 hours long

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#1562480
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Halloween The Full Night (A Halloween 1 and 2 Edit)
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V2 has been released, additional changes added at the bottom

One of my favorite horror franchises is the Halloween series and in honor of the holidays, I decided to create a combined edit of Halloween and Halloween 2 This edit isn’t just a stitching of the two movies together, but wholly re-edited to work as a single stand-alone 2-hour horror movie. To facilitate this I’ve cut large swaths of material from Halloween 2 and also a bunch from the original Halloween. For the first Halloween movie, I’ve heavily reduced Lynda’s role in the film. I’ve cut her and Bob completely from the final act of the film, and have her disappear after her first scenes in the movie. This necessitates some audio editing as well as the removal of her and Bob’s bodies from Laurie’s discovery. For Halloween 2 I’ve completely removed Dr. Loomis and Sheriff Bracket wandering around Haddonfield trying to find Michael Myers and Ben Tramer’s mistaken death. I’ve also completely excised the Karen and Budd romance and death from the movie to shorten and heavily focus on the Hospital section of the film. I heavily debated this next aspect but decided against removing Laurie being Michael’s sister. The final act just doesn’t quite work as it provides a reason for Dr Loomis to go to the hospital.

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Cutlist for Halloween 1
16.24-18:35 Removed scene of Tommy being bullied by the other kids.
22.18-22.43 Cut the plans with Lynda and Bob.
52.19-53.16 Slightly trimmed Annie’s walk to the car, she doesn’t go back inside for her keys in this version she has them so immediately gets into the car.
58.27-68.20 Removed Scene with Laurie the kids and the Jack-O-Lantern and removed Bob, Lynda, and all scenes referring to them.
Trimmed Laurie’s walk to the Wallace house to remove mentions of Bob and Linda
Slightly trimmed the chase sequence to remove Laurie going to the house that ignores her
Cut Laurie’s first attempted kill of Michael because it’s not the climax of the whole film anymore

Cutlist for Halloween 2
0-7.18 Cut opening recap and titles
9.12-9…28 Remove confirmation of 3 dead bodies
10.08-14.18 Cut random girl getting murdered and Laurie being brought into the ambulance and the conversation between Jimmy and Bud
17.24-19.58 Cut out the stupid killing of Ben Tramer
22.01-22.15 Cut out mention of Michael being killed
22.39-25.35 Cut out the rest of the scene between Loomis and the police and the introduction of Karen
26.47-30.35 Cut out a bunch of hospital stuff and go straight to Jimmy walking down the hallway as Michael goes down the stairs
31.12-32.13 Cut out Karen and Alves
Heavily trimmed Security Guard Death Scene
43.45-53.55 Cut out more Ben Tramer stuff, Bud and Karen, and Laurie’s dream about Michael
57.15-57.19 Cut out close up on Dr Mixter.
57.34-5736 Cut out Close Up on Janet’s Eye
60-62.31 Cut out Laurie and Michael Cat and Mouse

Edit V2 changes:
I’ve gone through the edit again and made some minor fixes. I’ve smoothed over several transitions where I noticed a few frames of scenes I deleted. I removed the Security Guard death scene, his body is till found by Laurie during the chase scene and I slightly trimmed Janet’s death to remove a sudden cut.
The full edit is 2 hours and 1 minutes