darthrush

Lord Haseo said:

All of this is subjective dude; you outta know that. Personally I don’t see how anyone could make the case that ROTJ is better than SW or ESB but hey, that’s their opinion. No one is really right in this situation even if you bring forth a stronger argument.

+1. There’s no such thing as “blah blah blah is an objectively better movie”. Scientific facts are objective. A piece of music, a painting or a film on the other hand is entirely subjective.

bigmac076 said:

darthrush said:

bigmac076 said:

remove ugly title card, insert crawl (info from Catalyst etc.)

Insert crawl where title card was? I don’t know where to put the crawl. Because if you put it before the flashback then you can’t give any exposition about what happens after the flashback.

Since the Lah’mu scene happens first in the film, its technically not a flashback. The only flashback is when Jyn recalls a memory from their place in Coruscant. So after explaining the main points of Catalyst in the crawl, then pan down to show Director Krennic arriving at Lah’mu.

What do you do with the title card? Remove it and just replace it with “15 years later”? That might be the best way of going about doing it.

Mavimao said:

Bobo Jameson said:

Alderaan said:

When did Lord Haseo jump the shark? I mean his views on the movies were always bad, but I remember him at least being pleasant about it. Now every post is **** this and you’re an ass that. Try being more civil and don’t take it so personal when people have different taste than you.

Edit: well, I guess the post about wanting to see Vader kill Jedi shines a light on things. The dark side is strong in this one.

The reason that Lord Haseo called malastrana an ass is because malastrana keeps talking out of his ass! Why is it that people that rates Rogue One a 0 out of 10 is pampered on this lousy ass forum?!

It’s not called being pampered, it’s called being civil. We are allowed to agree/disagree, preferably explaining why we feel what we feel.

Being uncivil is resorting to childish acts like namecalling. We refrain from that here.

This!

Like I’ve said before, I don’t agree with Mala but I respect his opinion. I read why he didn’t like the movie and responded why I liked it. All done in a civil, respectful manner. That’s how discussing film should be. Degrading the value of other people’s opinions just because they give a 0/10 to a movie is childish and just starts issues. Mala is NOT trolling us and trying to annoy us. He actually gives lengthy and reasonable arguments as to why he didn’t like the movie. Doesn’t mean I agree with them, but I still value everyone’s opinion.

digitalfreaknyc said:

JawsTDS said:

My main question, after finally seeing the film twice is: did anyone catch a “Wilhelm scream” hidden in the sound mix?

Someone said it was when Jyn grabbed the troopers gun and he fell off the platform. I’ve seen it 3 times and never heard it.

The second time I saw it, I looked for it and BARELY noticed it. VERY subtle, but it’s there.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wait, so he’s not simply an anti-fanedit Lucas fanboy? He’s a fan-editor who’s basically popping in to say that his fan-edit is the only right kind of fan-edit and everyone else should just pack up their toys and go home?

That’s even worse!

Indeed.

bigmac076 said:

remove ugly title card, insert crawl (info from Catalyst etc.)

Insert crawl where title card was? I don’t know where to put the crawl. Because if you put it before the flashback then you can’t give any exposition about what happens after the flashback.

Quick preview of what a crawl could be for Rogue One:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6aP1EB5ibmeWHpFZUtZM1pXU2s

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I wonder why they cut the scene of the tie fighter rising to meet Jyn on the comm tower? It was the most dramatic visual in all the trailers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNt40ufs-M8&t=32m17s

The TIE fighter rose up and was about to shoot Jyn but an X-Wing swooped in and destryoed it last second. Since the filmmakers felt like it was too repetitive with the AT-AT moment that happened minutes earlier, they decided to cut the sequence from the scene.

In hindsight, I’m actually happy they decided to cut it.

The Ritty said:

Midichlorians are real people - get over it, they’re just movies lol

Why do people insist on just removing all the things they didn’t like. Midichlorians? Took that out. Jar Jar Binks? Edited him out. You can’t betray Lucas’ vision for his movies. So many people get this wrong. Just cutting stuff out doesn’t make the movie any better. Like so many fan edits descriptions just remove jar jar - he’s a main character.

Now, I haven’t seen this cut cuz I won’t watch anyone else’s but mine but I can tell just by reading what people ‘did’ to the films. Why are people so obsessed with nonsense like midichlorians? You know why no one mentioned them in the original trilogy? Cuz it was just yoda & obi wan left. Seriously, why even bother with that explanation. Who’s got the time. Luke’s the only ‘jedi’ left. Who’s got time for all that science crap after 900 yrs. What Yoda and Ben said is still true. The force is all around us - binds us, err penetrates us… That’s all true of the ‘scientific’ explanation of midichlorians. I’m fine with the bacteria explanation. F

I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade lol or be a d-i-c-k. People just cut stuff out they hate or do silly things like edit all 3 prequels into one movie or redo effects and sound…do you get paid to do this? No. Who cares if you fixed effects and edited the sound and blah blah blah

If you didn’t FIX THE MOVIE, it’s doesn’t matter. You should service Lucas’ vision and try to help make it better. The STORY comes first. That’s all that matters, not trying to prove hpw amazing you are or take over someone else’s baby. Remember that.

P.S.

If you take out the midichlorians, then Anakin doesn’t exist. Plus they’re referenced in all 3 prequels.

“A Virgence you say?”
“It is possible he was CONCIEVED by the midichlorians.”
“You’re speaking of the prophecy of the chosen one?”

Take out the midichlorians and all this has no meaning. Just sayin 😉

Sir, you are wrong in so many ways. First let us address how cutting out small things can really help:

For example, let us look at Jar Jar stepping in shit. It’s dumb, not funny in the slightest, and distracting. So when a faneditor cuts that out, it removes the dumb, unfunny, distracting moment. Since most people do not like dumb, unfunny and distracting things in a movie, this cut therefore improves the movie. This basically applies to all small trims that are made to the prequels by faneditors. Sorry that you had to have this explained to you.

Lord Haseo said:

NeverarGreat said:

People keep on bringing up the idea that the characters in Rogue One are worse than those of TFA, but I think that these movies present two very different ways to create a character. In the case of TFA, the characters for the most part are larger than life, all of them at least idealized, at most mythologized. Everything they do is part of a larger destiny, and they cannot die in vain. Even Han Solo’s death was played on a huge, dramatically lit stage surrounded by other figures of destiny who will surely avenge him.

Contrast this with the characters of Rogue One, who are often subdued, restrained, ordinary. They are not figures of destiny, and even the one who has genuinely magical powers is treated as no more important in the story than the grunts in the Rebellion. It is the story of everyday people coming together to achieve a goal that will be largely unsung in the annals of history and overshadowed by the achievements of Chosen Ones.

To say that one interpretation of character is better than another is to misunderstand how TFA and Rogue One are fundamentally different movies. One is about heroes of destiny, the other about people acting heroically.

I think even with the story and tone they had there still could have been more character development for the characters that were underdeveloped and character development period for characters who aren’t developed at all. TFA had more things to balance and still was able to pull off having most of our new characters be layered. Even if someone like Jyn just had more personality it would go along way.

I kinda agree with both of you guys to a certain extent. I do agree that the purpose of the characters for Rogue One was very much different from that of the Force Awakens. It is more about their actions. But one of my problems with Rogue One is precisely about a characters actions.

Jyn’s struggle against the Empire doesn’t feel earned at all because she didn’t care about the empire and then suddenly did in a couple minutes. Whereas in the Force Awakens we got completely fleshed out characters with believable arcs.

Bobo Jameson said:

I used to love The Force Awakens more than I do now. It’s just that Rogue One is so much better. It has a grittiness and realism that The Force Awakens just doesn’t have and a lot of people are right about how Episode 7 plays it safe.

The story of episode 7 is not all that good, but it’s characters are far better than that of Rogue One. The main character of Rogue One is really under developed in the film (Jyn). My favorite is Cassian. He’s the only one who’s even in the same league as Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren. But don’t get me wrong, I still really like Rogue One.

lovelikewinter said:

There is a theory that the Vader/Krennic Death Star scenes were done incase the Tarkin recreation didn’t work. Like in ROTJ Ackbar’s lines during the battle were also shot with General Madine.

Ugh, I would have greatly preferred them using Vader instead.

I surprisingly enjoyed Speed Racer. The ending is genuinely sad haha.

Lord Haseo said:

joefavs said:

I’m honestly hoping we can be done with Vader for a good long time now that we saw him in this. I liked the cameo fine, but there are thirty or forty other things I want to see before a Vader movie.

Or not. We still need a Vader movie.

Agreed. Right after episode 3.

Just finished watching the RLM review of Rogue One.

Though they are well spoken individuals with genuinely interesting opinions.

Silver bells.

I just really like it. Very beautiful and heartwarming during the holidays 😃

I thought I’d like to give a thorough explanation as to why I think that Cassian Andor is a FAR SUPERIOR character, and has a far superior character arc, than that of Jyn Urso. I know it’s an unpopular opinion. But please hear me out, because I truly do enjoy discussing what peoples thoughts are for all movies. Here’s my reasoning:

Jyn tells Saw Gerrera that she basically doesn’t give one shit about the Empire. She straight up does not care. She basically says that she refuses to acknowledge the destruction of the empire. And this is fine if you are setting up a character arc that pays off. But instead, she see’s the hologram of her father and all of a sudden, she has this crazy new interest in destryoing the death star and fighting the Empire. She completely reverses her stance on a HUGE issue. Why might you ask?

Because her daddy is involved with the death star, therefore she now has skin in the game.

She chooses to fight and take a stand because of that single Hologram? Pretty pathetic, and rushed if you ask me. Her arc basically happened in like two minutes. She changes as a character immensely, and then stays pretty much the same throughout the rest of the film: A brave, outspoken opponent of the empire. I want an arc that feels earned, and justifiable. I find that we get that with Cassian.

He has been in the fight since the age of 6 like he said. He is established in his first scene as someone who stood on morally gray ground, even though he was on the side of the Rebellion. Then he is ordered to do questionable things like taking out Jyn’s father. When he is ready to snipe down Jyn’s father, he witnesses Galen protecting people, and admitting to his involvement in active rebellion against the Empire. He see’s someone just like him (Galen), who stands up against the Empire. This makes Cassian ultimately rethink the direction his life is taking, and who he has become because of what his beliefs are. This makes him question his foundation upon which all his decisions are made. But when Jyn tells the Rebellion that her father knew where the plans were and that he planted a weakness in the superweapon, the Rebellion won’t believe her. But Cassian does.

He believes her because he saw the true character of her father. He saw a man devoted to his cause and his ideals. Cassian has solid ground to believe that he really would send a message concerning the location of the plans to Jyn. Cassian now has a opportunity… One last daring mission, which represents everything he believes in: fighting against the ruthless power of the Empire and standing up for the freedom of all people.

Cassian in the end, finally succeeds, and dies with the individual who helped him rediscover his purpose (Jyn). It’s a beautiful ending for him as a character. It involves rediscovering what one’s core beliefs and self-purpose are. It is truly powerful material in my opinion. I felt he was really fleshed out and had a fantastic arc. I know it’s an unpopular opinion as I said before, but that’s just my two cents.

generalfrevious said:

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

I disagree. I’ve seen plenty of people on here alone who don’t like TFA much or at all but like R1

Same.

I liked TFA more than R1.

Okay. I said most people, not everyone. I also enjoyed Force Awakens more. I just know more people who enjoyed Rogue One more.

Here is a VERY ROUGH AND AWFUL draft of what a crawl could look like if placed before the flashback:

The loathsome Galactic Empire continues
to rule the galaxy with absolute power. It’s development of
a new superweapon, the DEATH STAR, has now has put
the galaxy in utter peril.

Director Orson Krennic has overseen the weapon’s
development with the help of his friend, Galen Urso,
an imperial scientist who studies in the
field of Kyber crystals.

When Urso learned of what his research was
Really being used for, he fled the empire to the
Planet of Lah’mu, to seek refuge and peace
From the destructive intentions of the Empire…

I’m curious how adding a crawl would work. You could eliminate the flashback by adding some exposition in the beginning of the crawl, and then you could use the rest of the crawl to help give some exposition on the actual plot of the movie. This idea would allow for first act restructuring to improve the film.

But that means losing the flashback and I do like that scene. It helps setup the emotional payoff of the hologram scene and Galen’s death scene. So if you wanted to keep the flashback, the crawl would really only be able to explain the Galen/Krennic stuff and not any of the actual plot of the movie that takes place after the flashback. And then with the title card gone, you’d have to either add a “blah blah years later”. Or you could make the flashback seem like a dream. But the big downside here is that you can’t give any exposition for the main plot of the movie. I’m asking because I was about to start creating a draft for a crawl but am curious what direction it should take.

Lord Haseo said:

I disagree. I’ve seen plenty of people on here alone who don’t like TFA much or at all but like R1

Same.

From what info I’v gathered about the reshoots, it seems that I would prefer the original first act of the movie but still keep Gilroy’s ending.

Ronster said:

A shot from one of the trailers reveals the moment that Yavin 4 Base decide to go to war at scarif.

This would seem to be Bail Organa there making a speech as well as Doldonna and no doubt would feature R2-D2 C3-PO and Leia possibly abandoning or at least putting on the back burner their mission to tattooine.

UGH, I would LOVE that scene.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

MalàStrana said:

A complete negation of Star Wars in a boring and empty movie (almost nothing happens during the first 90 minutes), where characters are never constructed, have no story arcs, with terrible actors who deliver dialogues that are laughable (“save the rebellion… save the dream”… “rebellions are built on hope”… “I hate sand, it’s…” no, not this one, for a second I thought so…). It even beats Lucas on his own field of destroying continuity (rebels will become dumb and forget how to destroy Star Destroyer… so Leia is just above the planet where the shit happens ?.. oh, the death star is already operational then… so Tarkin is no longer arrogant at the end of SW, he’s plain stupid when we consider the efficiency of the rebel fleet: man, you really should evacuate you know !), but that’s not the worst, I can live with minor inconsistencies, as long as they are put in a decent movie. Rogue One is not. Not even close. Not only a terrible SW: it’s a terrible movie on its own. You want a true war movie, with emotion and war scenes with an insane creativity achievement, with layered characters and powerful themes ? Go watch Hacksaw Ridge. Rogue one is a dry piece of shit. In comparaison the awful episode 7 looks good (movie that I quite enjoyed at my first screening). I don’t blame Gareth: he never had the choice to make the good war movie he had in mind, the gap in quality with his interesting Godzilla is huge. I won’t even mention the lame fanservice (“blue milk… blue milk everywhere !”) and the ethical issue of recreating dead performances (great cgi, not perfect yet but this technology is amazing… pointless but amazing). I wanted so badly to like it, at least a few sequences, at least a few shots.

The special edition was the first stroke, but it still was Star Wars. The PT was a disappointment partially saved by the unique qualities of its third act in spite of key sequences completely failed, and it was for me the end of Star Wars, the second stroke, but it still was Star Wars, bad but unique and fascinating. The Disney Era is no longer Star Wars: the “Star Wars body snatcher” era. An insult to the saga and, by extension, to the Cinema. I’m really sad, but now it’s time for me to let it go.

0/10

Couldn’t disagree more but I still respect your opinion

I don’t! 0/10 is objectively stupid as shit.

Subjectively 😉 LOL

MalàStrana said:

A complete negation of Star Wars in a boring and empty movie (almost nothing happens during the first 90 minutes), where characters are never constructed, have no story arcs, with terrible actors who deliver dialogues that are laughable (“save the rebellion… save the dream”… “rebellions are built on hope”… “I hate sand, it’s…” no, not this one, for a second I thought so…). It even beats Lucas on his own field of destroying continuity (rebels will become dumb and forget how to destroy Star Destroyer… so Leia is just above the planet where the shit happens ?.. oh, the death star is already operational then… so Tarkin is no longer arrogant at the end of SW, he’s plain stupid when we consider the efficiency of the rebel fleet: man, you really should evacuate you know !), but that’s not the worst, I can live with minor inconsistencies, as long as they are put in a decent movie. Rogue One is not. Not even close. Not only a terrible SW: it’s a terrible movie on its own. You want a true war movie, with emotion and war scenes with an insane creativity achievement, with layered characters and powerful themes ? Go watch Hacksaw Ridge. Rogue one is a dry piece of shit. In comparaison the awful episode 7 looks good (movie that I quite enjoyed at my first screening). I don’t blame Gareth: he never had the choice to make the good war movie he had in mind, the gap in quality with his interesting Godzilla is huge. I won’t even mention the lame fanservice (“blue milk… blue milk everywhere !”) and the ethical issue of recreating dead performances (great cgi, not perfect yet but this technology is amazing… pointless but amazing). I wanted so badly to like it, at least a few sequences, at least a few shots.

The special edition was the first stroke, but it still was Star Wars. The PT was a disappointment partially saved by the unique qualities of its third act in spite of key sequences completely failed, and it was for me the end of Star Wars, the second stroke, but it still was Star Wars, bad but unique and fascinating. The Disney Era is no longer Star Wars: the “Star Wars body snatcher” era. An insult to the saga and, by extension, to the Cinema. I’m really sad, but now it’s time for me to let it go.

0/10

Couldn’t disagree more but I still respect your opinion and expect a wide variety of thoughts on the movie. It’s what makes film fun for me! 😃

I see where your coming from when it comes to the first 90 minutes. It does move a little slow and takes its time but I think that the formation of the Rogue One squadron, the hologram, Cassian’s decision to not murder Galen, Galens death, AND the ethically stimulating discussion AFTER Galen’s death are all things that can propel the movie along effectively to it’s incredible act. It also sets up what I consider to be the best charaacter arc in Rogue One. In that of Cassian. He begins as a person who is doing questionable things constantly and possibly losing sight of what truly drives him. Only at a certain point in the film (“I Couldn’t face myself If I turned back now”) does Cassian really rediscover what he means to fight for. And that my friend, is why I can appreciate the first 90 minutes.

Again, I see where your coming from, but that’s just how I perceived the first 90 minutes or so.