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yotsuya said:

Bingowings said:

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Loved the trailer, basically confirms that Luke is abandoning the Jedi for a balance.

Not sure how I feel about that. I actually really disliked how Legends started to take “balance” literally, and that the Jedi and Sith were merely philosophical differences, rather than how the Dark side was a tumour on the Force originally.

There’s no denying that the ‘Light’ side of the Force has issues as well, which is why it was only by recognizing the Dark Side that Luke was able to prevail in Jedi. The Jedi’s prohibition against some emotions and the dogma that they are impossible to overcome once indulged in was shown absolutely to be false. I for one appreciate the new direction this is taking.

But the Jedi Dogmatism was supposed to represent corruption in the Jedi (If we are to believe Lucas, who has had issues representing what he actually meant in the Prequels). The default state of the Jedi was supposed to be much more benevolent, but at some point they literally forgot their connection to the Force to use it as little more than a tool. Using the RotS novelization as a reference, Obi-Wan points out how the Jedi council in ages past didn’t bicker, but rather let the Force guide them to an answer, hinting that the Jedi lost their way.

In Jedi, that sequence was anything but Luke prevailing by channelling the darkness. If you look beyond Luke kicking Vader’s ass, the set up is that Luke lost control of himself because of Vader’s words getting to him; the music turns ominous, representing Luke going against what he stood for; and finally, when the fight ends, Luke is absolutely horrified at what he did. It wasn’t a triumph by finding “balance” between light and dark, it’s despair as our hero verges on becoming the monster he fought.

It could be like the Exorcist. Luke could be having a crisis of faith. He knows that the Dark Side is on the rise again so maybe he will come round to restoring the order with adjustment. Seeing the cultural vandalism in Rogue One it would feel like a victory for Palpatine if the Jedi were to blink out of existence.

What I’m taking from it is that Luke things the Jedi teachings need to end. He will be the last of the old order of Jedi. They may call the new order Jedi, but he intends them to be far different from Kenobi, Yoda, and the PT Jedi.

^^^ This.

lovelikewinter said:

Since I’ve never heard of this author, I decided to look up what she’s written before. Turns out she writes YA novels about steampunk Vampires and also erotica under an alias. These are actual descriptions from Amazon of her works

Caught in Atlanta’s Snowjam 2014, self-confessed geek Tara is rear-ended by the hottest guy she’s ever met. Ryon is a beer brewer and restauranteur who fits the bill of what Tara and her friends call a “lumberfox”: sartorial lumbersexual style, cultivated facial hair, tattoos, and specialized tastes. When he invites Tara to spend the snowstorm in his nearby condo, she takes a gamble and slogs through the Hothlike blizzard, where she learns that a man who takes that much time with his facial hair knows exactly what to do with his mouth.

When nurse Tish Everett forced open the pesky but lovely locket she found at an estate sale, she had no idea she was answering the call of Criminy Stain, from the far off land of Sang. He’d cast a spell for her, but when she’s transported right to him, she’s not so sure she’s ready to be under the spell of another man. (It didn’t go so well last time with controlling, abusive, domineering Jeff.) If only Criminy wasn’t so deliciously rakish….

I’m less interested now.

If they’re going to try to promote female writers, then get good ones. i.e. Claudia Gray. She keeps hitting the homeruns with Star Wars novels. Best writer in the new Disney Canon so far in my opinion and she is a women so fuck yeah! But this makes me sad to see them recruit someone with such a poor record.

NeverarGreat said:

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Loved the trailer, basically confirms that Luke is abandoning the Jedi for a balance.

Not sure how I feel about that. I actually really disliked how Legends started to take “balance” literally, and that the Jedi and Sith were merely philosophical differences, rather than how the Dark side was a tumour on the Force originally.

There’s no denying that the ‘Light’ side of the Force has issues as well, which is why it was only by recognizing the Dark Side that Luke was able to prevail in Jedi. The Jedi’s prohibition against some emotions and the dogma that they are impossible to overcome once indulged in was shown absolutely to be false. I for one appreciate the new direction this is taking.

But the Jedi Dogmatism was supposed to represent corruption in the Jedi (If we are to believe Lucas, who has had issues representing what he actually meant in the Prequels). The default state of the Jedi was supposed to be much more benevolent, but at some point they literally forgot their connection to the Force to use it as little more than a tool. Using the RotS novelization as a reference, Obi-Wan points out how the Jedi council in ages past didn’t bicker, but rather let the Force guide them to an answer, hinting that the Jedi lost their way.

In Jedi, that sequence was anything but Luke prevailing by channelling the darkness. If you look beyond Luke kicking Vader’s ass, the set up is that Luke lost control of himself because of Vader’s words getting to him; the music turns ominous, representing Luke going against what he stood for; and finally, when the fight ends, Luke is absolutely horrified at what he did. It wasn’t a triumph by finding “balance” between light and dark, it’s despair as our hero verges on becoming the monster he fought.

I guess this scene could mean something different for everyone. What I got from it was that Luke had previously been afraid of the Dark Side, of fear and anger themselves, due to Yoda’s teaching. Yet when he snaps and uses his anger to overcome Vader, he is working through the pent-up emotion and destroying the false serenity of his Jedi facade. Yet since he doesn’t suppress the Light Side of the Force, he isn’t consumed with the Dark Side but allows it to eventually pass out of him. When he regains his composure he recognizes how the Dark Side was able to corrupt Vader with hopelessness and fear, anger at his weakness, etc. Luke has no fear of fear itself, no further anger at his use of anger, and is truly at peace in the moment that he tosses away his lightsaber.

Again, that’s just my opinion of the scene. It’s certainly possible to read this as Luke conforming entirely to Jedi doctrine, but since he had already started down the dark path and was able to return, one of Yoda’s teachings at least was proven to be false.

This ^^^

NeverarGreat said:

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Loved the trailer, basically confirms that Luke is abandoning the Jedi for a balance.

Not sure how I feel about that. I actually really disliked how Legends started to take “balance” literally, and that the Jedi and Sith were merely philosophical differences, rather than how the Dark side was a tumour on the Force originally.

There’s no denying that the ‘Light’ side of the Force has issues as well, which is why it was only by recognizing the Dark Side that Luke was able to prevail in Jedi. The Jedi’s prohibition against some emotions and the dogma that they are impossible to overcome once indulged in was shown absolutely to be false. I for one appreciate the new direction this is taking.

Exactly. I think they will reveal that balance is actually finding the balance between both the light side and the dark side. Cough cough, Grey Jedi…

NeverarGreat said:

Loved the trailer, basically confirms that Luke is abandoning the Jedi for a balance.

I have always wanted Luke to become a grey Jedi.

MisterRey said:

https://twitter.com/starwarsnewsnet/status/852895634822750210

Just saw this and they added that it also doesn’t have to do with an Obi Wan movie. Time to get my hopes up again.

What a fucking legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUiBYiF1xcc

Darth Lucas said:

There is one thing you could do, though you seem to be incapable of it.

+1

nickyd47 said:

Besides the Williams and Fisher tribute, that stream was beyond underwhelming

Agreed. At last we have a trailer for the Last Jedi tomorrow.

Sougouk said:

dahmage said:

stealthboy said:

Man I hate Verizon right now.

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Sprint coverage is ass. I used to have Verizon. Had to switch because of high prices but Verizon beats all when it comes to coverage.

pittrek said:

The Carrie Fisher tribute video had tons of previously unreleased clips. Can that be a sign of … something?

I noticed this too. Still trying to keep my hopes up.

Stream is dead on my end.

Laserschwert said:

Regarding a poster: everything that’s not by Drew Struzan will be a disappointment. I still don’t understand how they were able to drop the ball on the TFA poster. Sad.

The Struzan poster for the Force Awakens is pretty charming. The official one simply had too much shit going on in it.

oojason said:

SkyderHouseMafia said:

It’s rough but here’s a very nice video on how a Rogue One crawl could have looked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa-gaZLbeg0

There are a few interesting crawls in the Star Wars Fan Edit section on here - though this one stood out for me:-

http://www.space.ca/star-wars-rogue-one-crawl/ (with video of the crawl)…

ROGUE ONE

The Jedi are all but extinct, the
Republic has fallen and in their
wake, the Galactic Empire has
engulfed the far reaches of the
galaxy in fear.

Persecuted members of the Old
Republic have been thrust into
hiding. Only members of the
REBEL ALLIANCE dare take a
stand against the ruthless
Imperial forces.

Deep in the Outer Rim territories,
the dastardly Director Krennic
has discovered the location of a
long lost friend; one capable of
completing the Empire’s most
powerful weapon yet…

 

The more I read it the more I like it. For me the crawl fits the style and tone of the the OT crawls, as well as the Rogue One movie itself. It isn’t too long and doesn’t overburden the viewer with details or minutia, and ‘scans’ quite well too.

The 1st paragraph setting the outline of the Star Wars universe since the last film (chronologically Episode III),

It’s 2nd paragraph setting the current events - along with the acknowledgment of a fledgling Rebellion starting to fight back vs the oppressive Empire,

and the 3rd paragraph ‘setting the scene’, as it were, for the start of Rogue One itself…

all very well done 😃

I have always LOVED this crawl and have considered making a personal version of Rogue One with it as a crawl but I’m not exactly sure how I would remove the title card effectively.

I’m debating between which of the two previous posts is my favorite of this past week.

darth_ender said:

On a different note, we bought a dog recently. Beautiful black lab.

Congrats! Dogs truly are the best.

John Wick - 7/10

Good fun. Reeves just delivers his lines so awkwardly. The action was breathtaking. Just watched the trailer for John Wick 2. Looks even better than the first.

I am actually not all that confident that we will get the announcement. Being disappointing this many times has made me lose hope. And Lucasfilm can no longer ignore the desire for the OOT. This is their perfect chance. If they don’t take it, I don’t know if they ever will. At least a man as amazing as Harmy exists 😃

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

So after watching this again, I’m wondering if the ending would have been better had Fin died. Probably not a popular opinion, but it would have been a powerful event for his character, and I’m struggling to think of what kind of unique role he could play in the rest of the trilogy. His arc seems kind of complete already.

Not a crazy proposition. This thought has crossed my mind many times since I first saw it.

Sir Ridley said:

Good point, but I like the implication of the second part of the line. It’s not just a ship that happens to be nearby, it’s there because of them. And it kind of shows Finn isn’t just worried for his own safety. They’ve found US. Which leads to the question about Rey. I like that.

Very well put.

Hardcore Legend said:

darthrush said:

Good idea overall!

Things I like about your idea:

-first scene is reveal of Death Star. THAT is quite the way to start the movie and I dig it.
-Making the first act shorter and more straightforward is easily the main positive of this editing strategy.

Possible problems with the idea:

-It would be pretty hard to effectively transition from the crawl and the starry background to the Death Star reveal without it feeling jarring. I suspect that some vfx work would need to be done.
-The feeling of hopping planets might still remain and it could be even more confusing since there would be no location subtitles (or would there?)

Overall, Id love to discuss and figure out a way to make this idea happen 😃

The Tie cuts across the screen to reveal the DS. Perhaps pan down to blank starfield, pause and then have it roar across.

To avoid the confusion, perhaps rewrite crawl to point out that Saw is stationed on Jedha.

One big tool fan editors are going to need are clean planet shots without titles. You could reuse Yavin from ANH and mask out the Falcon but it might stand out.

Or just crop the frame without noticable change of quality if that works. When you wipe to these new planets, would you wipe to establishing shots first? For example, when we cut to Saw, would it be good to use a wide shot of the Jedha landscape to establish where we are?

By the way, I re watched the Tarkin/Krennic scene on the death star and I most definitely think it would fit nicely as an opening scene.

Good idea overall!

Things I like about your idea:

-first scene is reveal of Death Star. THAT is quite the way to start the movie and I dig it.
-Making the first act shorter and more straightforward is easily the main positive of this editing strategy.

Possible problems with the idea:

-It would be pretty hard to effectively transition from the crawl and the starry background to the Death Star reveal without it feeling jarring. I suspect that some vfx work would need to be done.
-The feeling of hopping planets might still remain and it could be even more confusing since there would be no location subtitles (or would there?)

Overall, Id love to discuss and figure out a way to make this idea happen 😃

Lord Haseo said:

DominicCobb said:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/late-carrie-fisher-final-star-wars-movie-article-1.3030154

Could be problematic considering we don’t know the extent of Leia’s involvement in VIII. If they cut out some of her performance and place it in IX we could end up seeing her for a few minutes not to mention the story problems that could arise if this isn’t done in a sufficient manner. This whole ordeal is making me nervous.

Same. I would have greatly preferred to have her full role fleshed out in 8 and then recast her for 9 and not alter the script at all. Keeping the story consistent is what is the best course of action in my books.

Jetrell Fo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Funny thing about polls …

http://www.gallup.com/poll/207794/six-partisan-bias-news-media.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Now, everyone knows I’m not really a “poll” believer as all algorithms have differing margins of error regardless of what anyone says but this poll kinda makes this thread a minority when it comes to belief in media and confirmation bias.

If the numbers are to be believed, of course.

😉

That poll isn’t about the media being biased. It’s about people believing the media is biased. Two very different things. More and more people people have thoughts like “I’m not really a “poll” believer”, “If the numbers are to be believed” and “belief in media and confirmation bias”.

The media is biased. More and more people are actually starting to realize how real that fact is.

I never thought this was a point of contention. Am I seriously supposed to believe that CNN doesn’t throw a liberal spin on every issue? Or that Fox News (worse than CNN) doesn’t do the exact same thing for the agenda of the right?

Media is inherently going to be biased but what matters is that they try to tell the full story and tell it as accurately as possible.

NeverarGreat said:

^Kylo says that ‘we have the rest - recovered from the archives of the Empire but we need the final piece.’ That would imply that they don’t have that piece.

Getting back to the larger edit, I was thinking about how to solve the issue of the Starkiller’s absence from the first half of the film and how exactly it functions. One solution could be to have Kylo receive a vision about the weapon when he’s asking Vader to show him the power of the Dark Side, to ‘finish what you started’. Right after he says that, it could cut to the shot of the Starkiller beam lancing past the Star Destroyer, then the next two shots in the sequence of Kylo on the Star Destroyer. Perhaps end it with the final section of the planet explosion. Then there is the shot of Vader’s helmet.

This somewhat explains the Starkiller’s function earlier than even the original film, and creates an expectation in the audience of a catastrophic event that plays out in a similar, but not identical, fashion in the end, since always in motion is the future 😉. It also mirrors Rey’s vision and further links the two characters thematically. Finally, it allows us to use every single Starkiller firing shot, which are quite lovely in my opinion.

I was also considering an alteration to the Hosnian Destruction (Sorry, it’s a compulsion). Anyway, there might be a more simple fix for the destruction than the one currently in the edit. Han’s death can stay as it is in the original, complete with Leia reaction, except that the brief cutaway scene directly after where they explain that the Oscillator has been damaged but not destroyed can be moved to after Poe wrecks the Oscillator from within (the 2 minute warning would be cut). Similarly, Hux’s brief cutaway where they say that it will be charged in 30 seconds would be moved to after Poe says ‘There’s a brand new hole in that Oscillator’, so that 30 seconds elapse during the trench run and interior attack.

So here’s a possible sequence:

Han’s Death and Leia’s Reaction

Forest Fight Part 1

Atmospheric Dogfight

Hux’s 30 Second Countdown - ‘Prepare to fire’

Trench Run and Bombing

Damaged but Not Destroyed - panicked look of two technicians, one of which says ‘Admiral, the weapon…’, and doomed look from final technician as the panel behind him flashes red)

Hosnian Destruction - perhaps with the added shot of the laser going past the Star Destroyer, sans Star Destroyer, to make the destruction sequence less abrupt

Leia - The shot (flipped and color adjusted darker) where she is leaning against the viewscreen at the end of the film, right before 3PO arrives with good news. She could be listening to the static of a Hosnian transmission cut short. Only the end of this shot needs be used in the later scene, to reduce the similarity.

Destruction of Oscillator - presumably from stress on the weapon system.

Forest Fight Part 2

In this sequence, the trench run still has a purpose outside of revenge, and we conclude the X-wing sequence before the Starkiller fires, allowing for our undivided attention afterwards to be on Kylo and Rey. The connection between the Republic and Leia is also emphasized, since she gets a reaction shot to both Han’s and the Republic’s destruction.

+1