darthrush

Let Down - Radiohead

I can confidently say this is one of the best songs of all time in my opinion.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

This, however, is not reasonably debatable. Sexual harassment and regressive attitudes are big problems. There’s no reasonable debate to be had with me, and I never make a mistake on what is and is not debatable.

fixed.

Precisely so. And some leftists question why people often get so frustrated with them…

And remember that I make a clear distinction between leftists and liberals since they are two completely different things.

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

DominicCobb said:

This isn’t a great way to put it, but I agree in some ways. Certain debates don’t deserve a common ground - somewhere in between isn’t always the best place to be. But I do believe it is important to engage with the other side so as to at least reach a point of understanding.

Well, opinions and debates have different qualities. Opinions are informed by facts, colored by your basic values/morality/outlook/etc. There’s a common modern refrain that everyone has a different opinion, and nobody needs to bother with facts because facts are opinions too. Which leads to bullshit debates and pointless yelling and name-calling because what else could it lead to.

But if you can agree to the same set of facts, and have an argument about how those facts can be interpreted based on personal values, that’s a debate worth having. But an opinion that throws facts out the window as step 1? Yeah, it really is trash not worth bothering with. For example, we shouldn’t really be debating whether or not there’s a global warming trend anymore – the only purpose that serves is to misinform people who might not have known the facts on that matter are long-settled. Engaging in trash debates spreads trash opinions, no matter which side you’re on.

Exactly. I was just think about how political debates should be about what the right solutions are for different problems, not about whether the problems exist in the first place.

sometimes it is not a matter of whether a problem exists, but what kind of problem it is.

Exactly. I think it’s pretty close minded to assume that there is a problem when in some situations it is highly debatable.

Lord Haseo said:

Yo that speeder looks fucking awesome.

I literally can’t find one thing that doesn’t convince me this movie is gonna kick ass.

Update: Now a gender neutral gameboy.

Jeebus said:

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/u-s-muslims-more-accepting-homosexuality-white-evangelicals-n788891

Damn, they are even crazier than I thought.

Jeebus said:

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/u-s-muslims-more-accepting-homosexuality-white-evangelicals-n788891

Damn, they are even crazier than I thought.

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

But I must feel outraged for whatever reason!

Nope. I’m not outraged. Myself and others, like Density, are worried

It’s a movie. Not to mention it’s a spin-off. There’s literally no reason to be worried because if it sucks, so what?

I now am very aware that we have a different level of care for the spin offs LOL

yhwx said:

But I must feel outraged for whatever reason!

Nope. I’m not outraged. Myself and others, like Density, are worried about a movie cause there were severe behind the scenes issues. The real ones whining and bitching aren’t us who are just raising legitimate concerns over a major Star Wars project.

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

NeverarGreat said:

yhwx said:

Yikes.

https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

Sidenote: This is not to be anti-Google or pro-Apple or pro-/anti-anything. These sorts of ideas exist in many many companies in this country and I’m sure just as many abroad. I am 100% sure that Apple might have these problems in the same amount or maybe even worse. This happens to all corporations. It’s a systemic issue.

I found myself agreeing with one of the guy’s main arguments, which is that there is a specific difference in gender regarding whether a person has an interest in people as opposed to things. See this for why that is, and a fascinating look at just the sort of problem this guy has encountered at Google. In short, there is a huge difference in genders in this specific area, and the cause for this single difference may be more biological than cultural. This in turn could force a company to resort to ever more aggressive policing of microagressions and perceived sexism in an attempt to attract more women to an area of a company that realistically will never reach complete employment equality.

Now, the 10 page ‘screed’ has many other issues and I’m not defending them, but it seems like the response to the essay is as problematic as the essay itself. I’ve found that a good rule of thumb for anyone interested in a serious discussion online is to always assume the best of the person you’re debating, and always seek to de-escalate the conversation in order to avoid ad homninems and other petty attacks. I find it concerning that the comments for this airing of grievances do not attempt this sort of thing, but are exactly the type of virtue-signaling that conservatives hate about liberals.

And yes, I get the issue that a member of a privileged group is complaining that his privilege is under attack, and I have no interest in defending his privileged status. But he clearly thinks there’s a problem, and a whole lot of people who elected our current government feel the same way. At some point it becomes counterproductive to antagonize conservatives for losing the culture wars, and it becomes important to find some common ground. This isn’t a zero sum game.

I always appreciate efforts to find common ground with conservatives like myself and think that you eloquently explained why it is so important to try to promote fruitful discussion and civil discourse.

No need in finding common ground with people whose opinions are trash.

sigh

And this is why I don’t particularly like coming to the politics thread as much any more.

I don’t think liberal opinions are trash. I genuinely believe that you want to make the world a better place just the same as I do, and that we disagree on the best way to do that.

I used to feel that way, but the far right has hijacked the Republican party. If you want to discuss how much people should be taxed, ok. If you want to call gay people sinners who are going to hell so of course they shouldn’t be allowed to get married, no thanks.

I’m actually right with you Frink. I no longer call myself a republican but rather a conservative atheist with socially liberal views. The Republican Party no longer represents conservatism, and now is more of a corporatist, religious groupthink.

I am quite the fiscal conservative but don’t care who you marry, what you smoke, and I also wanna keep religion out of politics so it kind of pisses me off when people dismiss my viewpoint which I think is a pretty legitimate one.

TV’s Frink said:

Density said:

I’m afraid this movie is going to suck. I have no desire whatsoever to see anyone, anywhere, ever play Han Solo but Harrison Ford. It’s not like James Bond; Solo IS Ford. There is no Han Solo without him, only an impostor. Indiana Jones I might be a little more open to re-casting, maybe, but not this.

So the movie is DOA for me for that reason alone. Add the fact that from everything I’m hearing it seems like just another fan service mash-up like Rogue One that, again like Rogue One, tells a pointless story which over-explains the background of the original film, and it just holds no interest for me whatsoever. I don’t want to know Han’s backstory dammit! Some things are better left to the imagination.

Disney is starting to worry me. I was initially excited at the prospects of expanding Star Wars with a constant stream of new movies, but they just keep milking the same cows over and over again. The possibilities for this universe are so vast that it’s incredibly disappointing they can’t seem to do anything more original with it.

TV’s Frink said:

Sorry, only complaints about this movie are allowed.

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

Sorry, only complaints about this movie are allowed.

Or people proudly declaring they have no interest in it.

Doing it right, I guess.

Sorry that a lot of people are worried and disappointed about the direction one of the stand alones is headed.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Young, horny, sex-obsessed, testosterone filled teenage male.

Favorite answer of the thread.

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

NeverarGreat said:

yhwx said:

Yikes.

https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

Sidenote: This is not to be anti-Google or pro-Apple or pro-/anti-anything. These sorts of ideas exist in many many companies in this country and I’m sure just as many abroad. I am 100% sure that Apple might have these problems in the same amount or maybe even worse. This happens to all corporations. It’s a systemic issue.

I found myself agreeing with one of the guy’s main arguments, which is that there is a specific difference in gender regarding whether a person has an interest in people as opposed to things. See this for why that is, and a fascinating look at just the sort of problem this guy has encountered at Google. In short, there is a huge difference in genders in this specific area, and the cause for this single difference may be more biological than cultural. This in turn could force a company to resort to ever more aggressive policing of microagressions and perceived sexism in an attempt to attract more women to an area of a company that realistically will never reach complete employment equality.

Now, the 10 page ‘screed’ has many other issues and I’m not defending them, but it seems like the response to the essay is as problematic as the essay itself. I’ve found that a good rule of thumb for anyone interested in a serious discussion online is to always assume the best of the person you’re debating, and always seek to de-escalate the conversation in order to avoid ad homninems and other petty attacks. I find it concerning that the comments for this airing of grievances do not attempt this sort of thing, but are exactly the type of virtue-signaling that conservatives hate about liberals.

And yes, I get the issue that a member of a privileged group is complaining that his privilege is under attack, and I have no interest in defending his privileged status. But he clearly thinks there’s a problem, and a whole lot of people who elected our current government feel the same way. At some point it becomes counterproductive to antagonize conservatives for losing the culture wars, and it becomes important to find some common ground. This isn’t a zero sum game.

I always appreciate efforts to find common ground with conservatives like myself and think that you eloquently explained why it is so important to try to promote fruitful discussion and civil discourse.

No need in finding common ground with people whose opinions are trash.

sigh

And this is why I don’t particularly like coming to the politics thread as much any more.

I don’t think liberal opinions are trash. I genuinely believe that you want to make the world a better place just the same as I do, and that we disagree on the best way to do that.

This rising elitist attitude where you dismiss and demean other people’s opinions is not going to get us anywhere. Approaching political discourse with a goal to effectively articulate your perspective and understand your opponents is something that I do think is worthwhile, not just saying “I don’t care, your opinions are trash.”

NeverarGreat said:

yhwx said:

Yikes.

https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

Sidenote: This is not to be anti-Google or pro-Apple or pro-/anti-anything. These sorts of ideas exist in many many companies in this country and I’m sure just as many abroad. I am 100% sure that Apple might have these problems in the same amount or maybe even worse. This happens to all corporations. It’s a systemic issue.

I found myself agreeing with one of the guy’s main arguments, which is that there is a specific difference in gender regarding whether a person has an interest in people as opposed to things. See this for why that is, and a fascinating look at just the sort of problem this guy has encountered at Google. In short, there is a huge difference in genders in this specific area, and the cause for this single difference may be more biological than cultural. This in turn could force a company to resort to ever more aggressive policing of microagressions and perceived sexism in an attempt to attract more women to an area of a company that realistically will never reach complete employment equality.

Now, the 10 page ‘screed’ has many other issues and I’m not defending them, but it seems like the response to the essay is as problematic as the essay itself. I’ve found that a good rule of thumb for anyone interested in a serious discussion online is to always assume the best of the person you’re debating, and always seek to de-escalate the conversation in order to avoid ad homninems and other petty attacks. I find it concerning that the comments for this airing of grievances do not attempt this sort of thing, but are exactly the type of virtue-signaling that conservatives hate about liberals.

And yes, I get the issue that a member of a privileged group is complaining that his privilege is under attack, and I have no interest in defending his privileged status. But he clearly thinks there’s a problem, and a whole lot of people who elected our current government feel the same way. At some point it becomes counterproductive to antagonize conservatives for losing the culture wars, and it becomes important to find some common ground. This isn’t a zero sum game.

I always appreciate efforts to find common ground with conservatives like myself and think that you eloquently explained why it is so important to try to promote fruitful discussion and civil discourse.

I am a male.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

SilverWook said:

Temporarily forgetting Perry King did a fine Solo in the radio dramas.

Not really…

+1

TV’s Frink said:

I love Inception. Have tried to get the wife to watch it several times but she can’t get past the part where she hates Leo.

I also share your love of Inception and surprisingly enough have the same issue with getting my mom to watch it.

War For the Planet of the Apes

This was pretty damn satisfying of an end to the trilogy! It had heavy stakes and a lot of emotion. It’s between this and the “Rise” for which one is my favorite (though they are all great in my opinion). Only complaint is that I thought they got VERY lazy with the storytelling toward the very end of the films climactic third act.

Possessed said:

Oh yes I know all about Indica vs Sativa, unfortunately I live in Illinois and don’t have medical so I’m limited to whatever my guy can get. (which is always high quality and “safe”, and he also always knows what kind it is, but he can’t always “control” what kind it is) I usually get stuck with a hybrid, which is usually also okay. If it has Diesel in the name I won’t touch it, but I can handle hybrids like Blue Dream pretty good. Kush (most kinds of kush anyway) would be my go to if I had a choice.

But I’ve heard promising things that Illinois might get legal recreational weed in the next few years. It’s already been decriminalized, which means all yo ucan get for it is like the equivalent of a traffic ticket unless you have more than 10 grams, which I never would.

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ray_afraid said:

I also prefer smoking to edibles.
I’m a pipe/bong guy. I’ll smoke a joint it someone rolls one, but I find joints/blunts far too wasteful. You can put the pipe out after each hit if ya wanna. Roll it up and it’s gonna keep burning while your holding and talking. Even more annoying when it’s a friend doing the holding and talking… Don’t park on the grass.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Everyone has an opinion on this transgender/military issue, when I suspect that .01% of people actually know anything about it. I certainly don’t know anything about it. I’ve never known a transgender soldier. I don’t know how successful or unsuccessful they have been in the military compared to other enlistees. I don’t know how much they have cost the military compared to other soldiers. I don’t know how much they request medical care related to their status. I don’t know their rate of mental stability compared with other military personnel, etc. etc. Such numbers might reveal that it’s an issue, or they might reveal that it isn’t. So whereas everyone (including, I suspect, Trump) has formed and stated their final opinion with utter conviction, I prefer to wait until some informative data is made available. As it is, I think most people have made their decision already, along party or religious lines.

Right with you, Puggo. I would need to see what extra costs transgenders would have as soldiers and if their mental condition (which it is) would cause any complications in the military environment.

Dunkirk

I’ll have to see this again to solidify my opinion but I was actually somewhat let down by this movie which I was really excited for. As you can guess, my biggest gripe was my absolute lack of connection to any of the characters. And it didn’t help that many of them were written as pretty selfish. More details below in spoilers:

SPOILERS…

My favorite part of the film was probably the people on the boat since that is where the most character development was done in my opinion. They actually fleshed out the interactions between the first solider they save (the mentally shaken one) and the civilian sailors. And probably the most compassionate act of the movie (my Dad’s favorite moment) was when the solider asked if the boy was alright and the brother knew he was dead, and instead of lashing out, he chose to comfort the solider by saying that his brother was alright. A really beautiful moment that shows the humanity of others at it’s best.

The rest of the movie however was severely lacking in anything that pulled my heartstrings. This is not a rip on the execution or quality of filmmaking which was exemplary. Cinematography, sound design, and composition of shots were stellar. Visually speaking, I have absolutely no gripes with Dunkirk and think it is where this film excels the most. But I simply could not connect with any of the troops on land or Tom Hardy’s pilot. Especially the troops on Dunkirk. Harry Styles’ character was exceptionally annoying and selfish. And though his peers were not nearly as offensive, they still didn’t do a single heroic thing or struggle to make a decision that was not selfish. But one other thing I liked was the ending of the film. The montage with the voice over reading of the newspaper was a smart choice of how to end the film.

Pablo Honey - Radiohead
The Bends - Radiohead
In Rainbows - Radiohead

Some of the most outstanding music I have heard in a long time. This band kicks ass!

Truly pathetic of Trump. He obviously doesn’t realize that many republicans don’t like him because he doesn’t stand for actual conservative ideals and is just a egotistical maniac.