darthrush

Valheru_84 said:

Collipso said:

DrDre said:

Anchorhead said:

DrDre said:

Anchorhead said:
That’s incorrect.
https://youtu.be/sx15aXjcDZg

http://www.moongadget.com/origins/index.html

I really don’t see how being influenced by a dozen old movies is in any way comparable to blantantly recycling story elements, structure, and visuals from the same movie series.

It’s not, nor was I addressing that issue. I was responding specifically to Collipso saying “Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever”. In fact, it ripped off several films. For the record; I’m not bothered by that. Not now, not in 1977.

Regarding your claim that TFA recycled elements from the OT; I can’t imagine there is anyone on here who doesn’t see that to be the case. There are all sorts of parallels between the OT and the ST. The differences seem to be more about the level at which people are bothered by them.

I would be fine if that were the case, but I don’t believe it is. Some posters here conflate recycling Star Wars tropes with being influenced by other film makers, and works of fiction, thus arguing in a sense, that the current creators are more or less doing what Lucas did in 1977. Lucas’ Star Wars wasn’t original in their view, because he was obviously influenced by many sources while making the first film, and it’s sequels. The current creators are doing the same thing, theu argue, but they just happened to be influenced by Star Wars movies. My argument is Lucas didn’t invent the ingredients, but he did invent a new and original recipe, and one that has resulted in some very tasty meals, while the current creators deliberately used Lucas’ recipe and added a few twists to disguise the fact that they couldn’t come up with a new recipe. The meal might still be edible, but it’s just so similar to Lucas’ recipe, that I can’t shake the notion, that I’ve tasted far better versions of it in the past.

Brilliant.

+1

The reboot criticism for me only really applies to TFA. I’d argue that any major similarities within TLJ are mostly the fault of what TFA left Rian Johnson with and I consider Johnson’s efforts to redirect the story in a satisfying direction was successful. But it was bold and different which means it won’t work for some people. Different does not equal good. It worked for me but to others I can totally understand them having deep issues with TLJ and Luke’s characterization. Is their opinion any less valid? Absolutely not. Dre or Collipso aren’t misinterpreting the movie. They understand exactly what it’s saying and simply came to a different conclusion than me.

Collipso said:

The Dark Side of That’s No Moon

Beautiful

Collipso said:

TV’s Frink said:

Come on man. That’s how I got banned and I wasn’t even talking about a space movie.

You’re right, I just think we shouldn’t stop treating people like people because they like a movie you don’t. This site was built out of love not hate.

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SilverWook said:

paja said:

I wanted to see this happen in the preqeuls. 😉

This is just golden.

TV’s Frink said:

I think you guys are overreacting.

Lol. thats funny to hear from you Frink.

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

You guys have to be joking.

To defend the ST you guys are now saying that the original Star Wars wasn’t original. The movie was literally something never seen before. People had seen several of the elements separately, yes, like Dre and Frink said, but never together, never something like that. Heck, before McQuarrie people thought Lucas was insane with his imageless crazy ideas. It was absolutely unique.

TLJ and TFA have basically ripped off their predecessors. Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever. Star Wars’ story might be similar to The Hobbit, for example, but it’s because they follow the Hero’s Journey. And I think that the Hero’s Journey is the natural progression of most everyman hero stories, so I definitely don’t consider Luke’s story a ripoff.

One can argue that RotJ has way too similar beats to Star Wars but I disagree. Especially now that we have TFA and TLJ to compare for ripoff levels.

“Originality is overrated” speak for yourself. I, for example, value an original idea not that well executed more than that same old idea we’ve seen before done decently.

Everything right here. And again people, I enjoy the ST but oh well, I guess my flaw isn’t real enough of one to have any importance to my own view of the films.

This. I just think the ST is extremely overrated so I come off as a hater.

Quafruaple flauple post.

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

You guys have to be joking.

To defend the ST you guys are now saying that the original Star Wars wasn’t original. The movie was literally something never seen before. People had seen several of the elements separately, yes, like Dre and Frink said, but never together, never something like that. Heck, before McQuarrie people thought Lucas was insane with his imageless crazy ideas. It was absolutely unique.

TLJ and TFA have basically ripped off their predecessors. Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever. Star Wars’ story might be similar to The Hobbit, for example, but it’s because they follow the Hero’s Journey. And I think that the Hero’s Journey is the natural progression of most everyman hero stories, so I definitely don’t consider Luke’s story a ripoff.

One can argue that RotJ has way too similar beats to Star Wars but I disagree. Especially now that we have TFA and TLJ to compare for ripoff levels.

“Originality is overrated” speak for yourself. I, for example, value an original idea not that well executed more than that same old idea we’ve seen before done decently.

Everything right here. And again people, I enjoy the ST but oh well, I guess my flaw isn’t real enough of one to have any importance to my own view of the films.

This. I just think the ST is extremely overrated so I come off as a hater

Quafruaple flauple post.

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

You guys have to be joking.

To defend the ST you guys are now saying that the original Star Wars wasn’t original. The movie was literally something never seen before. People had seen several of the elements separately, yes, like Dre and Frink said, but never together, never something like that. Heck, before McQuarrie people thought Lucas was insane with his imageless crazy ideas. It was absolutely unique.

TLJ and TFA have basically ripped off their predecessors. Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever. Star Wars’ story might be similar to The Hobbit, for example, but it’s because they follow the Hero’s Journey. And I think that the Hero’s Journey is the natural progression of most everyman hero stories, so I definitely don’t consider Luke’s story a ripoff.

One can argue that RotJ has way too similar beats to Star Wars but I disagree. Especially now that we have TFA and TLJ to compare for ripoff levels.

“Originality is overrated” speak for yourself. I, for example, value an original idea not that well executed more than that same old idea we’ve seen before done decently.

Everything right here. And again people, I enjoy the ST but oh well, I guess my flaw isn’t real enough of one to have any importance to my own view of the films.

This. I just think the ST is extremely overrated so I come off as a hater.

I think Force Awakens is a decent adventure flick. And I really love the Last Jedi despite a few minor issues with pacing and humor.

Collipso said:

You guys have to be joking.

To defend the ST you guys are now saying that the original Star Wars wasn’t original. The movie was literally something never seen before. People had seen several of the elements separately, yes, like Dre and Frink said, but never together, never something like that. Heck, before McQuarrie people thought Lucas was insane with his imageless crazy ideas. It was absolutely unique.

TLJ and TFA have basically ripped off their predecessors. Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever. Star Wars’ story might be similar to The Hobbit, for example, but it’s because they follow the Hero’s Journey. And I think that the Hero’s Journey is the natural progression of most everyman hero stories, so I definitely don’t consider Luke’s story a ripoff.

One can argue that RotJ has way too similar beats to Star Wars but I disagree. Especially now that we have TFA and TLJ to compare for ripoff levels.

“Originality is overrated” speak for yourself. I, for example, value an original idea not that well executed more than that same old idea we’ve seen before done decently.

Everything right here. And again people, I enjoy the ST but oh well, I guess my flaw isn’t real enough of one to have any importance to my own view of the films.

TV’s Frink said:

rodneyfaile said:

WW1 was called “the war to end all wars.” Then approximately 20 years later, WW2 started. There is no such thing as “and they lived happily ever after.” Life goes on. There is always another story.

Exactly. Some people just didn’t get the next story they wanted.

Y’all are arguing against a straw man. No one is saying that they wanted a movie based in a time of peace where there is no war. What we wanted was a war that was different to what we saw in the OT and not set up exactly the same way but with just replaced names for both sides. So no, there’s not some specific story that I needed like some fanboy that I didn’t receive, I’m someone who enjoyed the films and has some real flaws with them on a creative storytelling level.

Collipso said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ok so you agree ESB was pointless too.

In the context of the OT, no. In the context of SW, yes.

Yeah, it ain’t hard to understand and it’s a vastly accepted fact. After Star Wars, it felt like it ended. There are many people on this site even that don’t have ESB in their personal canon cause they like the self contained story of SW. But I really love and adore ESB so it doesn’t matter. That’s the entire point.

Gotta agree with Collispo. In all technicality, the PT did expand the story of the OT and build upon the existing trilogy while the ST is simply a continuation or in a way just a soft reboot.

But yeah, you can say technically the same thing about ESB since Star Wars did leave things off so nicely.

And at the end of the day it doesn’t matter to me. I don’t watch the PT and I really enjoy the ST. That’s all it comes down to.

Looks pretty darn good!

snooker said:

I feel like the ship decloaking, tons of lasers coming out of it, then cloaking again would look the coolest and avoid the Death Star parallel.

That does sound pretty rad.

Hal 9000 said:

As I think on it, I anticipate removing Phasma from TLJ altogether. The film is overstuffed, and Phasma already had a plausible “out” in TFA. She was not necessary to the story of TLJ at all, and cutting her material allows for a much easier removal of some problematic Finn, Rose, and BB8 stuff.
It will depend on whether it can be pulled off. I’m pretty sure it would require some visual FX work to remove her from several shots, since she is present for an extended scene as DJ sells out the Resistance and Finn and Rose are prepared for execution.

If it’s doable, this is what I’d prefer, but I am far from certain it would be.

You can still keep in her in it and just axe her fight with Finn. That’s what I plan to do. She catches them, orders their execution and then the ship gets sliced in half, then Finn and Rose escape.

It’s far easier than removing her entirely and I think still serves the same goal.

Handman said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Collipso said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Collipso said:

I’m screwed.

How so?

My teacher is going to eat me alive. I hate her and she hates me so she’s going to do everything she possibly can to fuck my life.

I had a really bad experience with a mean teacher that hated me and constantly insulted me in high school. Sure, I may have been a delinquent on the verge of expulsion, but I still had feelings.

I was in the top 10% of my graduating class, and I had really bad experiences with tons of teachers that seemed to have it out for me. They seemed to think I was a troublemaker, but all I wanted was to do my work and have some innocent fun.

Oh my lord does this nail my history in school right on the head. I consistently absorb what they teach and do the work, but they think that since I have a sense of humor that I somehow deserve to be patronized.

Collipso said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Collipso said:

I’m screwed.

How so?

My teacher is going to eat me alive. I hate her and she hates me so she’s going to do everything she possibly can to fuck my life.

I wish you godspeed with your situation.

I hope I don’t come off as a disrespectful teen here and I acknowledge my needed growth in maturity and wisdom that is to come in life but I do feel like there is a difference between a kid who is awful and deserves punishment and a teacher who is genuinely in the wrong and is abusing their authority but as a student you can’t do or say anything since you have zero power or credibility.

Just spitballing here and I understand that with the large amount of teens who just want to cause chaos for chaos sakes that this isn’t a real priority to discuss but sometimes it gets to me. What gets to me is the fact that for the most part, teachers can never be wrong and that your role is to shut up and take it.

EDIT: And this is coming from a person who has had countless teachers who I absolutely loved and was able to develop a personal relationship with and have fond memories to this day of them. I just have had some experiences where I did feel that I had a teacher who I didn’t like all that much who was genuinely not in the right in a situation, and just because I didn’t stand for it, I was basically ignored and thought of as a punk.

ChainsawAsh said:

darthrush said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Collipso said:

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

I half-jokingly wondered if somebody had used this app for porno purposes. Then my curiosity got the better of me. Now I need therapy. The things I’ve seen should not be seen.

It’s like the plot of the second X-Files movie only with computers performing the surgery. What the hell is wrong with people?! How can THAT possibly be erotic?

Sweet Christmas.

FakeApp had to be either regulated or banned in Reddit because of porn…

Yep, a whole ton of subreddits went down over this just, like, a week ago, including the old-fashioned Photoshop fake subreddits. And all the creepy basement dwellers whined about their free speech and bullshit…fucking gross.

And this is why you carefully curate your subreddit subscriptions, folks…

Why do people not understand that free speech doesn’t just take away the consequences of what you say. All it protects is your right to say it. Not to force others to tolerate it in their own spaces.

Not to mention that it doesn’t mean a company has to allow you to say whatever you want on their turf - it just means you can’t be thrown in jail for what you say. And even that has its limits.

Precisely.

Eh, I guess. But to me it’s not like I felt any real danger with Finn. And I think my point remains clear that I consider the Force Awakens to have a certain lack of creativity throughout the plot which is a reason why the Restructured fan edit put together by the community is so awesome!

ChainsawAsh said:

Collipso said:

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

I half-jokingly wondered if somebody had used this app for porno purposes. Then my curiosity got the better of me. Now I need therapy. The things I’ve seen should not be seen.

It’s like the plot of the second X-Files movie only with computers performing the surgery. What the hell is wrong with people?! How can THAT possibly be erotic?

Sweet Christmas.

FakeApp had to be either regulated or banned in Reddit because of porn…

Yep, a whole ton of subreddits went down over this just, like, a week ago, including the old-fashioned Photoshop fake subreddits. And all the creepy basement dwellers whined about their free speech and bullshit…fucking gross.

And this is why you carefully curate your subreddit subscriptions, folks…

Why do people not understand that free speech doesn’t just take away the consequences of what you say. All it protects is your right to say it. Not to force others to tolerate it in their own spaces.

ChainsawAsh said:

lovelikewinter said:

I’m shocked at how many people think that JJ is going to use Hayden Christensen in IX.

I’m shocked at how many people want him to.

Same here.

Anchorhead said:

darthrush said:
TFA left you with a point at which everything was left off at in just the same manner that ANH did…

?
Star Wars ended with a closure to everything. Bad guys defeated, weapon destroyed, good people safe, the pirate turns trustworthy, and the princess gives the good guys their medals of honor. All is right with the universe.

TFA has one of the heroes in critical condition, one of the long time heroes killed, the main villain still at large and coming after the good guys, and one of the heroes solemnly going off to find another hero who’s gone into exile, in hopes of getting his help in the war.

I don’t see those as even remotely similar in tone of story.

ANH has one of the heroes in critical condition (R2), one of the long time heroes killed (Obi-Wan), the main villain (Empire) is still at large (just check ESB for evidence) and coming after the good guys (again, ESB shows this), and one of the heroes does go to seek help that will benefit the good fight but instead of it being shoehorned in at the end of the first film it comes in the second.

It really is just a matter of interpretation, and again, I like The Force Awakens. I just find it’s lack of creativity to be one of it’s downsides. But it is still a fun story with good characters and a compelling villain. Which is why I enjoy it. But I enjoy TLJ even more since it took more creative risks.

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Shopping Maul said:

I remember at the time of TFA, JJ said something like “every SW movie needs a cantina”. It’s not a big deal I guess, but it feels like this is the overall mentality that has been applied to these films rather than any need to tell a coherent story. In the case of Snoke, clearly JJ and Kasdan were thinking “every SW movie needs an Emperor” (not to mention an Empire, a Death Star, a Tatooine, a Hoth, a Dagobah cave scene etc etc etc) without much thought beyond the visual aesthetic of such a character.

Don’t get me wrong, I like these new films, but my ‘head-canon’ seems to be veering towards seeing them as interesting alternate interpretations of SW and TESB (with a dash of ROTJ) rather than legitimate continuations of the OT.

It’s odd to me since I consider TFA to be a soft reboot that starts the franchise out in a similar fashion and then the Last Jedi takes it somewhere different.

TLJ is basically an alternate TESB while TFA is basically a retelling of SW with the same exact story beats etc.

Kind of what I’m saying in a way is just that.

TFA left you with a point at which everything was left off at in just the same manner that ANH did so obviously TLJ will have to deal with that challenge but it did what it could by taking the story in a new and interesting direction that I think served most of the characters very well.

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

I half-jokingly wondered if somebody had used this app for porno purposes. Then my curiosity got the better of me. Now I need therapy. The things I’ve seen should not be seen.

It’s like the plot of the second X-Files movie only with computers performing the surgery. What the hell is wrong with people?! How can THAT possibly be erotic?

Sweet Christmas.

Wow…just wow…

Shopping Maul said:

I remember at the time of TFA, JJ said something like “every SW movie needs a cantina”. It’s not a big deal I guess, but it feels like this is the overall mentality that has been applied to these films rather than any need to tell a coherent story. In the case of Snoke, clearly JJ and Kasdan were thinking “every SW movie needs an Emperor” (not to mention an Empire, a Death Star, a Tatooine, a Hoth, a Dagobah cave scene etc etc etc) without much thought beyond the visual aesthetic of such a character.

Don’t get me wrong, I like these new films, but my ‘head-canon’ seems to be veering towards seeing them as interesting alternate interpretations of SW and TESB (with a dash of ROTJ) rather than legitimate continuations of the OT.

It’s odd to me since I consider TFA to be a soft reboot that starts the franchise out in a similar fashion and then the Last Jedi takes it somewhere different.