darthrush

TV’s Frink said:

Ok. I didn’t bother reading it so maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. Doesn’t matter to me either way. All that matters is what I see in the movie, not what was intended.

Yeah, it’s probably best to read the few sentences I quoted from the script before nullifying it. And JawsTDS refrenced the visual elements in the scene to support how he felt.

Crait Battle

I present my new and refined Crait sequence. The edited sequence shown below goes from the moment that the Falcon shows up to when speeders start getting picked off one by one. Full list of cuts below video link.

https://vimeo.com/266178659

-Cut Porg screaming in Falcon cockpit
-Cut Finn yelling “They hate that ship!”
-Cut Porgs flying around in Falcon when it is being chased
-Cut Rose saying “Now that’s a big gun.”
-Cut Hux repeating Kylo’s orders.

TV’s Frink said:

I liked it ok.

Interesting.

I admit that the cinematography, acting, and score are fantastic. On a technical level it really works but it didn’t have much substance.

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

JawsTDS said:

TV’s Frink said:

fmalover said:

I’ve noticed that many here dislike the fact that TLJ pretty much disregards the set-up of TFA

I don’t really understand how people say it does though.

This was one of my initial complaints with the film, and I still standby it to some degree.

TFA ends with Luke Skywalker, eyes watery and reluctant, an ending that compelled me to continue watching the new films. Yet in TLJ, he simply looks annoyed. That whole emotional ending is essentially “mocked” by Johnson. I really didn’t mind Luke throwing the lightsaber, but I would’ve preferred it had he done so under a different purpose – if that makes sense.

That being said, it’s a good film, even though I disagree with many of the decisions it makes.

This precisely.

Read the ending of the Force Awakens in the script:

No thanks.

I’m firmly of the belief that if it’s not in the movie it doesn’t count.

I’d argue that the movie perfectly encapsulates what the script is asking for in that scene.

Ryan-SWI said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

I think there are a lot more than just the three options you pose. Kylo’s a complicated character, and depending on what happens in IX, his conclusion could be pretty complicated too.

That’s if JJ wants to get that complicated.

Well, didn’t he create the character to begin with?

JJ creates amazing startpoints and isn’t the best at sticking the landing in my opinion.

I tend to disagree. We’ll see I guess.

How is there even anything to disagree on. JJ is universally notorious for his playing-it-safe mystery boxes that frequently rip off older, better content. The guy hasn’t done anything unique since the beginning of his career. It’s not like it’s a niche opinion. He’s not a bad director but he’s still a company yes-man; he’s a safe crowd pleasing bet. Not a bad thing if all you care about are popcorn flicks, but otherwise you’re shit outta luck.

“That’s just like, your opinion man.”

(I happen to share the same opinion but other people can not think the same as you.)

JawsTDS said:

TV’s Frink said:

fmalover said:

I’ve noticed that many here dislike the fact that TLJ pretty much disregards the set-up of TFA

I don’t really understand how people say it does though.

This was one of my initial complaints with the film, and I still standby it to some degree.

TFA ends with Luke Skywalker, eyes watery and reluctant, an ending that compelled me to continue watching the new films. Yet in TLJ, he simply looks annoyed. That whole emotional ending is essentially “mocked” by Johnson. I really didn’t mind Luke throwing the lightsaber, but I would’ve preferred it had he done so under a different purpose – if that makes sense.

That being said, it’s a good film, even though I disagree with many of the decisions it makes.

This precisely.

Read the ending of the Force Awakens in the script:

"And she holds it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s
only hope.

HOLD ON LUKE SKYWALKER’S INCREDIBLE FACE, amazed and
conflicted at what he sees, as our MUSIC BUILDS, the promise
of an adventure, just beginning…"

I think it’s obvious that JJ had a different vision of what would happen with Luke than Rian. JJ even wanted floating boulders around Luke to show the force radiating from him.

Someone on FE.org asked about what deleted scenes I will be using so I thought it would be a good idea to paste my response here. The user, samspider (an awesome faneditor), was asking if I would include the caretaker deleted scene for context of my response.

"In regards to deleted scenes, I have taken a close look at all of them and think I will only be using one of them and that would be Luke Mourning. I am not sure yet where I will use it since I think it can go in a number of places but I will use it for sure.

The reason for not including the Caretaker scene is a few reasons:

1. I really like us seeing a ray of hope for Luke and Rey at the end of their second lesson and then its sadder to see that it doesn’t work out. I think this was one of Rian Johnson’s own reasons for cutting it.
2. It portrays Luke in an unfashionable light. In the second lesson, we see Luke very broken and sincere. He opens up to Rey and seems to grow more understanding of the need for him. The deleted scene shows Luke straight up lying to Rey and laughing it off. I think it kinda shows us that Luke will let nothing change his mind. Whereas in the theatrical cut, you get the sense that he was close to changing his mind at the end of the second lesson.
3. Lastly, just for pacing reasons. It is a very long scene and since I don’t like it very much for reasons above, it just makes sense to keep it out of the film to keep the pacing at a nice brisk flow."

I love how you replaced the BB-8 sfx and smoothed over the music transition. It really sells what I couldn’t get right when trying to transition between those two clips.

I prefer keeping the dialogue in the ship of “You know about this place?”, “only in stories” and THEN cutting to Canto Bight. Your version feels a little rushed, but overall I think you really sold the transition between the Casino establishing shots and them arriving which is absolutely the critical cut.

Great work Hal.

If Episode 9 retcons the Rey parent reveal and it turns out that she is somehow related to someone important then I will be very displeased with that movie to say the least.

Great write up RogueLeader! I really do think that once episode 9 is released, the more intensive restructures of the entire trilogy will start popping up.

Only God Forgives (2013)

This might have been too abstract for my liking without enough substance.

Drive was highly stylized, slow paced, and artsy, but it all elevated an compelling story that had very interesting characters.

This movie just felt like it did not have that necessary foundation to build on. I’d love to hear what others thought of this as I gather from online discussions, that this film was highly divisive.

Ready Player One (2018)

This was pretty fun. A boring main character and overly long runtime were issues for me but I walked out feeling good about it.

Drive (2011)

I honestly think this was a masterpiece. One of the few flawless movies of the past decade in my humble opinion.

awesome piece!

I think the quickest solution would be cutting the lines. I am still iffy on doing that and am waiting for more feedback until I decide on whether to cut the lines from Kylo.

There is a bit of disconnect between Rey’s arc in TFA and TLJ, but I much prefer what Rian did with Rey in 8 than the conflict in 7. Her arc in 7 is kind of a repeat of Luke’s with the whole “I don’t want to leave my desert planet!”, whereas in episode 8, it is a lot more complex and related to your identity.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

No. Both are bland and pointless and devoid of any heart and soul. They’re full of completely uncompelling characters and exist purely to cash in on names and imagery associated with a much better film (Star Wars).

Yeah I don’t see a single thing you said I agreed with, but I’m sure there’s no reason to continue.

I just don’t appreciate being called a delusional troll in my own thread.

And of course oojason is nowhere to be seen.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

I think there are a lot more than just the three options you pose. Kylo’s a complicated character, and depending on what happens in IX, his conclusion could be pretty complicated too.

That’s if JJ wants to get that complicated.

Well, didn’t he create the character to begin with?

JJ creates amazing startpoints and isn’t the best at sticking the landing in my opinion.

I tend to disagree. We’ll see I guess.

Indeed we will and I do hold out hope for Kylo getting the best ending possible. He really is a great character.

RLM are not the modern Siskel and Ebert.

But they are the best YouTube reviewer I know of for their pure honesty, dry humor, and the way they explain their opinions.

Two very different types of critics but I love both.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

I think there are a lot more than just the three options you pose. Kylo’s a complicated character, and depending on what happens in IX, his conclusion could be pretty complicated too.

That’s if JJ wants to get that complicated.

Well, didn’t he create the character to begin with?

JJ creates amazing startpoints and isn’t the best at sticking the landing in my opinion.

Man, a lot of the answers here are pretty lukewarm scenes overall. It’s gotta be Padme and Anakin at the fireplace for me. Just terrible writing at its finest.

EDIT: Didn’t see your post Cobb! Glad to see someone agrees with me 😉

EDIT 2: DominicCobb’s answer is the definitive, objective truth in regards to the thread question.

DominicCobb said:

I think there are a lot more than just the three options you pose. Kylo’s a complicated character, and depending on what happens in IX, his conclusion could be pretty complicated too.

That’s if JJ wants to get that complicated.

The Force Awakens humor has a few misses here and there but overall, it lets serious moments breathe. Hands down, the most annoying aspect of the Last Jedi to me is the out of place humor. The horse chase scene is terrible but you can take a bathroom break. The humor on the other hand punctures other scenes throughout the rest of the movie.

I like those ideas quite a bit!

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Is it just me or have most of the Disney era Star Wars posters had a very… Commercial (?) feel to them?

I think the theatrical TLJ poster was alright, but a number of other ones strike me more as promotional posters you buy in stores from the prequel era. Kind of like these: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/a9-IKSKOlpw/maxresdefault.jpg

Commercial might not be the right word but they have a very slapped-together feel, especially some of the Solo ones and for Rogue One.

Maybe it’s just the heavy use of photoshop, I’m not sure.

Wish they would have stuck with the more classic style of poster art instead of the generic blockbuster treatment.

I agree on some, but not all. Don’t think I ever found a TLJ poster I didn’t like, and most of the Solo ones have been excellent thus far. Plus Rogue One had a couple really good ones too. TFA was rough though.

That Dolby Cinema TLJ poster… *drool*

Yesssss…

Sounds too bold of JJ to actually have Mara Jade in the film. Most likely a misdirect.

ImperialFighter said:

darthrush said:

And you could even switch it up so that you use the Luke contacting Leia scene for his Crait projection, have Luke live, then you show him hovering above the rock when he is moving the Raddus, and THEN he stares at the binary sunset to end the film.

Sadly darthrush, Luke is wearing his dark costume in that scene where he ‘makes contact’ with Leia from his island - so that would be quite jarring if it’s mixed with his white robed scenes in this way.

No no, you would use his dark costume sequence for the whole Crait related stuff. Think of it this way for Crait:

Kylo Slices Through Luke, Puts Saber through him in awe, we then CUT to Luke in his dark costume, focusing with the force, then we CUT back to Kylo, “See ya round kid”, then we show his eyes open when he is still in his dark costume.

So the whole Crait scene would be with his dark costume. Then when we see him move the Raddus, we at some point cut to him floating above the rock in his white robes, focusing on the force, and then once the ship gets sent into the Supremacy, you cut to his eyes opening when he is in his white robes, and him falling to the ground.

Then you can end the film with him looking at the sunset (whether he dies or not is up to the editor).

EDIT: One reason I think we weren’t on the same page is cause I was speaking in terms of DigiMod’s TLJ story structure which would go from the hyperspace kamikaze to end credits.