Agreed. I just wanted to specifically thank Ady for his input.
i’m curious ady what you thought of the force awakens? i hated it.and episode 4 is my favorite movie of all time.i disagree with others though,i don’t believe the force awakens was trying to copy episode 4.the problems i had with it were the guy giving the speech in a german accent and trying to sound like hitler and the stormtroopers doing the nazi salute.and the trench run had no drama whatsoever.and it was so easy to destroy it too didnt need more than 1 shot.also a stormtrooper carrying a staff that can deflect lightsabers when no jedi have been around for many decades.and rey being able to take down kylo when he was trained by luke.if luke is planning on training her in the next movie i dont see the point since she can already defeat kylo.
Well talk of TFA doesn’t really belong in here as there are many threads that cover that film. But i will say that i loved it. So i will reply to this comment…
As a Brit i can say that the speech was NOT delivered in a German accent. That was definitely a British accent he was doing. There have always been parallels between the Empire and the Nazis since day one, so i see no problem with any of that. And it wasn’t exactly a Nazi salute either. The trench run was a fleeting moment in the action sequence. The whole Starkiller attack was the sub plot. It wasn’t meant to be tense or dramatic as the main plot was what was supposed to have the drama: Kylo vs Rey/ Finn. And it took a lot more than just one shot to destroy it.
And why wouldn’t a Stormtrooper have a weapon that can deflect a lightsaber? Luke had been training a whole new generation of Jedi and the First Order knew this, so why wouldn’t they have something that can level the playing field ( we did see such a tool in the prequels) .
When people moan about how Rey was able to take down Kylo, then i wonder if they properly watched the film. There are clues throughout and it’s all there on screen. For one , Kylo had just killed his own Father. You can see his focus wasn’t there after he did that. Then Chewie shot him with his crossbow. The same weapon that was able to blast stormtroopers and flip them through the air. He took a direct hit. Then, when he confronts them, you see how wounded he is. Against Finn, he is toying with him. But as soon as Finn manages to get a strike to injure Kylo, he quickly dispenses with Finn. Then we have Rey. Kylo has been ordered by Snoke to bring her to him. So he is hardly going to try to kill her. She isn’t exactly doing very well at first either. He pretty much has the upper hand. He has her at the edge of the newly formed cliff and then he mentions about the force. And this is when she becomes powerful against him. But wait, look back in the film and remember the speech that Maz gave her. She told her " close your eyes. Feel it. The light. It’s always been there. It will guide you". And guess what? She remembers this. closes her eyes and lets the force in to guide her. Then she is powerful enough to defeat Kylo. Even though he had had training, he was pretty injured. We also know nothing of Reys origins yet.
Being perfectly honest, I previously thought Rey was a Mary Sue because the arguments of the weakened and emotionally distressed Kylo didn’t amuse me because that is explaining how she could beat him within the constraints of the screenplay already written. Ady here referencing the Maz conservation totally seals the deal and moved the force awakens a whole grade up in my books. My problem with the ending was that you could have written it better from the start. People are arguing how she beat him within the standing circumstances. But Adys explanation argues for why the plot/screenplay from a story point of view makes perfect sense. The fact that Rey finally awakens in the force makes the title all that more impactful, enhances the plot and explains how she defeated him. Great explanation!
I actually really found the Nazi-like feel of the first order is awesome. And hux’s speech was a highlight. I find it not being original enough story-wise being the main problem.
Scott, I agree with your view on the prequels and how the important the Jedi code is but would still keep the cringeworthy fireplace scene cut out. And please watch the damn edit before recommending changes on it.
Work print will be stereo but a 5.1 mix will be used for final version. The official release will probably be:
720p digital with 5.1 mix
DVD5
DVD9
Sorry guys I have been pretty busy but will now start rendering a work print for critical viewings so that V2 can get under way. Once I finish uploading I’ll slap up a link with a full cultist.
I agree with Octoroxs philosophy overall and really hope he maintains what Hal accomplished with the added podrace music. And especially how Hal handled the Anakin character. Hal cut the perfect amount of Anakin to make him an extremely likable, honest kid who is special and kind hearted. That’s where Hal’s edit of episode 1 really comes in the clutch. Very interested in the edit and hope to check it out from the spleen as soon as possible 😃
I second that. Hal’s episode 2 is literally a masterpiece in every aspect. Over time the edit has grown on me even more and convinced me it is best for the Yoda fight to be left out and the way Hal handles it with keeping Yodas badass force moves but still subtracting his lightsaber combat/flipping around is just fantastic. Fireplace scene makes me want to puke
Fantastic live blog Frink! Thanks 😃
What I said was a testament to Adywans immense dedication to Star Wars and the time, effort and pain he puts in for other fans. I greatly admire Ady and consider his time commitment with awe and appreciation. I apologize if I offended anyone and hope to make it clear that I appreciate his work.
Oh. I checked out the lullaby and went in thinking that it probably wouldn’t be a solid replacement to what is already a emotionally moving piece of music but the lullaby surprised me with its quality. I think that was a good find for a radical edit 😃
Predictions on when the entire Revisted saga will finish. I give it 2040 release date.
I am currently changing my favorite fan edit mashup for episode 3 and have used Hal’s padme convo+obi-wan convo. Once Anakin leaps up and they begin fighting I switch to L8wtr cause I think Yodas fight enhances the third act when edited down. Then I use blu Ray for “I have failed you” convo then use L8wtrs quick leap and cut for the end of the fight. What do u plan on doing for ur future edit?
I do find that the absolutes line is hard to decide on. For one thing what you mentioned about it make sense but part of me finds it forced and shoved in and it confuses the audience more than Anakins confusion.
I am very torn currently about how one of the most important chapters of star wars is best handled. So I have been switching my mind condtantly about how these three things might be changed:
-Anakin and obi WANs initial verbal conservation (not the padme convo). I first liked to see as much cut out as possible and liked L8wtr or Hal’s but then I thought that the “sith deals in absolutes” is very strong and I’d rather have 2011 version. Still torn on what would be best cut of this scene?
-The “I have failed you Anakin…” Convo. Q2 and Hal kept it, Kerr and L8wtr cut it. Even though Anakin quite blatantly expressed his feelings I love how Obi Wans “well then you are lost” is delivered in a fashion of frustration and denial where even he starts to realize how much the Jedi screwed this whole thing up but then again it kills the fights momentum and the dialogue for the most part isn’t all that stellar. Very torn and thoughts here would help on what you like best.
Those are three almost essential scenes that I feel very torn apart on and your input on which edit handled each of these scenes best would be awesome!
“Private Video”
Towne32, Sadly for myself, Jdownloader doesn’t work so every time I have to manually download up to like 50 parts.
Yah. It’ll take a couple days to render and then upload to Vimeo. I really want to get this on fanedit.org and establish it as a serious go to edit of return of the Jedi. I’m interested in how you’ll like how much of the Ewoks fighting I cut out. They almost completely are absent from the battle. It moves the third act faster with more focus on space battle and the throne room and when we are on Endor it’s pretty much Rebels defending the bunker. The cuts are pretty dang seamless and it flows well so hopefully nobody finds it too jarring.
Ok. So last minute change will be using blu Ray barges and then I will update this thread at the first post with fully updated list of changes and the link to V1 on Vimeo. Once I get enough opinions on it, V2 will be finished, I’ll hopefully get some cover art, and upload to fanedit.org so that it’s easier for people to find out about this edit.
What do you guys think of for what SE footage I should use. Currently it stands as:
-Rancor SE effects
-No eyebrows on Vader (SE)
-New city celebrations/new song (SE)
*no wesa free and Sebatian shaw remains as ghost though
And I’m thinking of adding space battle SE effects. Might have to compare some footage and get opinions from people on it before I make a decision.
And just another update. I got ahold finally of 97 SE and will get that ending implemented along with the SE space battles. Thanks for the suggestions guys! 😃
just to clarify, my edit will never use fan film footage because I am designing this edit to be a professionally done go-to Return of the Jedi version for myself and many others hopefully.
Hmm. I think I’ll use SE rancor scene. It does look better
UPDATE:
Rancor updated SE effects are in now. Still downloading 97 SE (for ending) with tight bandwidth. Any more changes u want then tell me and we can discuss. SE rancor scene was good idea.
Mike Luv, I skimmed your edit and watched as many of your cuts aspossible and thought that your ideas are great but sadly the source material just isn’t there. The speeder bike arrival stands out, as does the boba fett escape (fantastic fan trailer though). Deleted Scenes from prequels when up scaled correctly can be used without too much notice but sadly the same is not for the OT. I do like the ideas of many of the deleted scenes but they stand out too badly in quality, color, and grain, which is why I withdrawed from using deleted scenes. By the way, I hope to have V1 uploaded by Friday.
I decided to not use sarlacc or Bantha pherd shots due to the fact that they stick out like a sore thumb effects wise. The door as noted before is an obvious digital zoom and not compatible with other shots. Jedi rocks up my ass. Hayden’s ghost and Vaders Nooo are undeniable travesties. The only SE changes I do like is removal of Vaders eyebrows (continuity while not sacrificing quality of film overall) and the new city celebrations/end music. Yub nub was too anticlimactic and the city shots are believable (holonet) and effective at portraying a maximized effect that the Rebels victory had. That is my take on the SE changes for Jedi.