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I was recently promoted to be the interim director of the behavioral health department of my hospital! š
I was recently promoted to be the interim director of the behavioral health department of my hospital! š
^LOL
Well, he needed to move Paul Stanley to slot 6, so he needs a new thread to make it official.
Great post. Thanks for sharing š
Iād like to b*tch about SilverWook unlocking this thread late! This is unacceptable! I had nowhere to turn to complain about life for so long already!!! Waaaaaaah!!!
Yes, thatās what the Hebrews thought.
JEDIT: You changed your post, thus nullifying my joke š¦
seriously the Jabba scene is garbage, Harrison Ford sucks completely here
Yeah, no kidding! Heās a complete stiff half the time!
Late (maybe too much) to the autism discussion, but perhaps this dialogue from X2 might help:
Nightcrawler: Excuse me? They say you can imitate anybody, even their voice.
Mystique: [as Nightcrawler] Even their voice.
Nightcrawler: Then why not stay in disguise all the time? You know, look like everyone else.
Mystique: Because we shouldnāt have to.
Maybe weāre past this, but I skipped several pages, so I will wrap it up by pointing out, as Catbus said, that there is a culture among the deaf or the autistic. I have a brother with Down syndrome, and recently there have been advances that could potentially lead to a ācureā of the condition. Read this article to see how people feel about it:
Yes, technically, it is a disability. Nevertheless, there is a value to it. While some might want to escape or want their children to escape the difficulties that come with the genetic anomaly, others feel that such a change would result in a net loss rather than a gain. The common culture among members and families in these groups often feel like they are a variation of normal, just like Mystique does, and see no need to try to be like everyone else. They are exactly how they feel they should be. Why should they change?
Iām not saying this is right for everyone. Iām not saying we should not offer such ācuresā them. But to expect it as the better option for all of them is a bit presumptuous. I donāt think I would ever want my brother cured. I love him as he is, and Iām so grateful for all he has taught me and my family. I can see why a cure to autism might be equally repulsive to many.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA
Should you be the one deciding whether or not your brother should be cured?
What if curing your brother of Downs was only way heād have the ability to make his own decisions in life?
Again I ask was Jesus wrong to make the blind see and the lame walk?
edit: I apologize for jumping the gun and assuming your brother doesnāt have the ability to make his own decisions. I should asked āWhat if your bother didnāt have the ability to make his own decisions, and curing the Downs was the only way he could have that ability?ā
He certainly does not have the ability to make his own decisions, so your assumption was spot on.
Therefore, denying him the cure(if there was one) would be denying him the opportunity to be able to make his own decisions in life.
Parents deny their children certain rights all the time. Why? Because sometimes itās in the childās best interest. Not saying it is always right not to, but my parents are my brotherās guardians. He cannot make a decision on his own. At this point it life, it would in fact probably be detrimental to introduce him to a life of normalcy. Heās 37 years old and does not even have the intellect of a Kindergartener. How could he find success at this point? It might in fact be cruel to grant him a normal mind at this age. These are factors one must consider.
Jesus cured people, but how many people did he leave uncured? Why do you think he didnāt cure everyone of everything? Why do you think he allowed my brother to be born with trisomy-21? Perhaps he allows people to be different to allow for a different type of blessing to come to people.
I donāt know why he didnāt cure everyone. I tend to think that I did know why he didnāt cure everyone, Iād be God.
No speculations? Perhaps he thought that there were other lessons to learn? I think you can guess at Godās plan without being God.
And his disciples asked him, āMaster, who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?ā Jesus answered, āNeither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God might be made manifest in him.ā
John 9:2-3
and then Jesus healed him š
Indeed he did, but my point is that sometimes the works of God are manifest in other ways. Did my brother or parents sin, resulting in my brotherās disability? I donāt think so. I think God had a work to manifest through my brother.
No insult intended by me. No humor at Jetrell Foās expense. I genuinely think you donāt realize just how your behavior causes problems. It indicates fights sometimes and puts you at the butt end of othersājokes. Iāve been trying to let up as I believe you are trying to get along, but you jumped in on the Warbler/Id discussion, and therefore got yourself involved. Iām not sure why youāre so convinced Warbler is part of the problem. Iāve gotten on him too when I think heās being unreasonable, but heās really a good guy, but a subject of your frequent misperception.
edit: ugh, ignore
God does not want you to die, even if you believe your orientation is not his will. God loves all his children.
Late (maybe too much) to the autism discussion, but perhaps this dialogue from X2 might help:
Nightcrawler: Excuse me? They say you can imitate anybody, even their voice.
Mystique: [as Nightcrawler] Even their voice.
Nightcrawler: Then why not stay in disguise all the time? You know, look like everyone else.
Mystique: Because we shouldnāt have to.
Maybe weāre past this, but I skipped several pages, so I will wrap it up by pointing out, as Catbus said, that there is a culture among the deaf or the autistic. I have a brother with Down syndrome, and recently there have been advances that could potentially lead to a ācureā of the condition. Read this article to see how people feel about it:
Yes, technically, it is a disability. Nevertheless, there is a value to it. While some might want to escape or want their children to escape the difficulties that come with the genetic anomaly, others feel that such a change would result in a net loss rather than a gain. The common culture among members and families in these groups often feel like they are a variation of normal, just like Mystique does, and see no need to try to be like everyone else. They are exactly how they feel they should be. Why should they change?
Iām not saying this is right for everyone. Iām not saying we should not offer such ācuresā them. But to expect it as the better option for all of them is a bit presumptuous. I donāt think I would ever want my brother cured. I love him as he is, and Iām so grateful for all he has taught me and my family. I can see why a cure to autism might be equally repulsive to many.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA
Should you be the one deciding whether or not your brother should be cured?
What if curing your brother of Downs was only way heād have the ability to make his own decisions in life?
Again I ask was Jesus wrong to make the blind see and the lame walk?
edit: I apologize for jumping the gun and assuming your brother doesnāt have the ability to make his own decisions. I should asked āWhat if your bother didnāt have the ability to make his own decisions, and curing the Downs was the only way he could have that ability?ā
He certainly does not have the ability to make his own decisions, so your assumption was spot on. Jesus cured people, but how many people did he leave uncured? Why do you think he didnāt cure everyone of everything? Why do you think he allowed my brother to be born with trisomy-21? Perhaps he allows people to be different to allow for a different type of blessing to come to people.
And his disciples asked him, āMaster, who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?ā Jesus answered, āNeither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God might be made manifest in him.ā
John 9:2-3
Iām not saying this is right for everyone. Iām not saying we should not offer such ācuresā them. But to expect it as the better option for all of them is a bit presumptuous. I donāt think I would ever want my brother cured. I love him as he is, and Iām so grateful for all he has taught me and my family. I can see why a cure to autism might be equally repulsive to many.
I donāt think anyone here said, I know I didnāt, that a cure would be the best option. Not even the article that was quoted with the hyperbole attached to it said that. I do believe that when medical treatments make leaps and bounds and become able to allow a choice, it should be up to the patient, and no-one else. Everything I do for my daughter, is done with her input, and I do not benefit from it in any way. I raise her to be her own person. It would be more presumptuous to not put their best interests in front of our own. Iām not nor did I say people canāt be afraid of it or hate it, that is still a choice, but we should want what our kids feel make them happy, not what we feel would make us happy.
I honestly didnāt read your post, and your reply sounds quite reasonable. Like I said, I skipped several pages. I was mostly posting on response to Warblerās questions, as if a cure should be assumed to be the best option.
Warblerās instigation is never intentional. That much is obvious. You are an instigator as well, but I donāt think you do it deliberately either. Maybe this common problem could give you a little more patience for others like Warbler.
Late (maybe too much) to the autism discussion, but perhaps this dialogue from X2 might help:
Nightcrawler: Excuse me? They say you can imitate anybody, even their voice.
Mystique: [as Nightcrawler] Even their voice.
Nightcrawler: Then why not stay in disguise all the time? You know, look like everyone else.
Mystique: Because we shouldnāt have to.
Maybe weāre past this, but I skipped several pages, so I will wrap it up by pointing out, as Catbus said, that there is a culture among the deaf or the autistic. I have a brother with Down syndrome, and recently there have been advances that could potentially lead to a ācureā of the condition. Read this article to see how people feel about it:
Yes, technically, it is a disability. Nevertheless, there is a value to it. While some might want to escape or want their children to escape the difficulties that come with the genetic anomaly, others feel that such a change would result in a net loss rather than a gain. The common culture among members and families in these groups often feel like they are a variation of normal, just like Mystique does, and see no need to try to be like everyone else. They are exactly how they feel they should be. Why should they change?
Iām not saying this is right for everyone. Iām not saying we should not offer such ācuresā them. But to expect it as the better option for all of them is a bit presumptuous. I donāt think I would ever want my brother cured. I love him as he is, and Iām so grateful for all he has taught me and my family. I can see why a cure to autism might be equally repulsive to many.
Another poignant āitās acceptable to treat these people badly but not those of us that do itā conversation.
Iām sorry, Iām feeling like Mrs. Howell today.
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If you think Darth Id is not a bully and Warbler is, then you are truly clueless.
LOL
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THE SHACK
Impressive cinematography, settings, sound design and score for a Hollywood āChristianā production. Cutting a little more slack for book adaptations, Iāll say direction and performances were fine.
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
It was PERFECTION!!! The PERFECT expression of the Luciferian āChristianityā! It is another film that touches all the bases.
The Satanic Trinity with Gnostic Sophia. These multi-ethnic guides must educate an evil and clueless white protestant heterosexual male. Straight whitey must know why he deserves to watch the rest of his white family savaged and slaughtered in The Great Culling and why itās no big deal.
Straight whitey DARES to have the slightest problem with his daughter being raped and murdered by the unconditionally beloved āchildā of the black-middle eastern-Asian-Hispanic god (difficult to imagine anything more infuriating to the crowd that runs Hollywood). He must be made to understand that his daughterās ravager is the misunderstood victim worthy of total love and it is those white dads who are guilty to the most heinous evils of ājudgingā āinsensitivityā and ālack of forgivenessā.
After centuries of Catholic-Luciferian twisting of The Word, there are still a few harried Christians who remember that their Lord vowed over and over and over that there would be fiery agony for the goats and tares. They remember that the faithful are called to be ājudgingā of all actions at all times. These faithful little monsters must be set straight by the enlightened ones. Some of those Christians might survive the culling and we donāt want any elites taken down.
Those who try to be Christian are thrown into complete confusion, and agnostics walk out of the show in disgust as hard-core atheists. Itās a win-win!
END SPOILERS
If our Creator has even the faintest sense of justice or the least possible concern for the Word of honor given many many times, those responsible for this cinematic abomination will burn in AGONY for all eternity.
Who runs things now that Pastor Phelps is gone?
Do you happen to know a guy by the name of jedimasterobiwan?
Fo, I think the only possible response to most of your posts is Warblerās famous line.
If youāre feeling that everyoneās antagonistic towards you and doesnāt like your behaviour, thereās a pretty good chance the source of the problem lies with you and not us.
You mean the same warbler that resides here? The one that has been the subject of attack and been the attacker himself? Youāre saying he never was a problem? The same warbler that just made the gas-light post above this one?
I just want to understand your statement because it would seem your implying that warblerās advice you suggest I take was said by him because heās a positive forum member all the time and was never a burden to anyone elses discussion here.
Youāre saying nobody on this forum was EVER a problem in any way, shape, or form, ever?
Of course Iām not saying that. Youāve been a bit of a problem lately (as in the last year or so). Of course there have been others, but few as persistent as you.
You have your good moments, but constently playing the victim got old real fast. If you stop acting like everyoneās out to get you, weāll all get along a lot more nicely.
I said I was ticked off, I said I was blowing off steam, I said Iād get over it and it turned into itās own little monster. Those who came got their kicks in on cue. Done and done.
This is the thread for bitching about something, I did it, and now Iām done. I feel better.
A sincere thank you to all that posted regardless of what you said. Itās another learning experience to help me understand myself better.
Cheers
I think this is an attempt at graceful disengagement, which I can applaud. Sadly, you say youāve learned something about yourself, but probably not your role in these arguments. I got exactly zero kicks out of criticizing you. I actually feel bad about it. Like Iāve said, youāre a nice guy. I just wish youād realize your flaws and make some changes.
Fo, I think the only possible response to most of your posts is Warblerās famous line.
If youāre feeling that everyoneās antagonistic towards you and doesnāt like your behaviour, thereās a pretty good chance the source of the problem lies with you and not us.
You mean the same warbler that resides here? The one that has been the subject of attack and been the attacker himself? Youāre saying he never was a problem? The same warbler that just made the gas-light post above this one?
I think you donāt know what gaslighting is:
But if youāre saying heās being inflammatory, heās really not. Any disagreement with you leads nowhere. Heās pointing out what I said earlier and agreeing with it.
I just want to understand your statement because it would seem your implying that warblerās advice you suggest I take was said by him because heās a positive forum member all the time and was never a burden to anyone elses discussion here.
Youāre saying nobody on this forum was EVER a problem in any way, shape, or form, ever?
I donāt think thatās what heās saying. Heās saying the majority who have taken part in this discussion find you to be the primary source of the problem. Maybe the majority is right.
If you guys arenāt interested in being helpful then please just donāt say anything.
Enderās post was perhaps the most helpful post ever posted, said in the kindest way possible.
Although his post only really points to one culprit, he was actually trying to be helpful, the rest has been response nonsense that just adds fuel to the fire. Hence the repeat of my request with no mention of his response.
Moviefreakedmind and TVās Frink argue all the time in the politics thread. Sometimes theyāve said some pretty nasty things to each other. Yet, they both are finding you a little unbearable. There comes a point when so many people think youāre the problem that you might want to consider it a possibility. Iāve been the victim of the teasing of others here many times. The thing is I donāt let it get to me. I donāt blame everyone else.
Ok, itās okay for others to find my behavior unbearable, do I get to find their behavior unbearable, or is it me just just looking for attention? They find me a problem, can I find them a problem? Am I the only singular presence on this board that has tortured and mind-f#$ked every single other member at any one given time? I am not allowed to take others strikes at face value because thatās not what they said, but mine are complete and utter lies and āfoiblesā? I also donāt blame āeveryoneā else. Is there a small group here that likes a good rodeo, youāre damn right there is, but not every single person on the forum rides in on their horse to round up the weak cattle. The āeveryoneā suggestion you made is exaggerated. I believe you meant to say āeveryone that agrees with that small groupā which is still NOT everyone on this forum.
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Youāre welcome to find anyone unbearable. But the only time I used the word āeveryoneā was in reference to those whom I donāt blame, and implicitly that you do blame others. I donāt think itās hard to realize that you are not literally blaming every other human on earth, or even everyone else on the forum. You blame anyone with whom you have a tussle for the problem and accept no responsibility yourself. This is truth.
And foibles are just quirks. You appear to be equating them with lies. I am not calling you or anyone a liar. I was stating that TVās Frink points out othersā quirky traits. Thatās not even saying theyāre bad traits.
Very cool. Looking forward to you finding it, my friend. Nice to see you back!
If you guys arenāt interested in being helpful then please just donāt say anything.
Enderās post was perhaps the most helpful post ever posted, said in the kindest way possible.
Although his post only really points to one culprit, he was actually trying to be helpful, the rest has been response nonsense that just adds fuel to the fire. Hence the repeat of my request with no mention of his response.
Moviefreakedmind and TVās Frink argue all the time in the politics thread. Sometimes theyāve said some pretty nasty things to each other. Yet, they both are finding you a little unbearable. There comes a point when so many people think youāre the problem that you might want to consider it a possibility. Iāve been the victim of the teasing of others here many times. The thing is I donāt let it get to me. I donāt blame everyone else.
This is how I feel having this discussion with you:

Well, I think we can all say weāve grown together, and each of us has learned something essential about him-/her-/itself, and also about somebody else on this forum. (Wink, wink, you know whoo-hooo!)
And in the end, we all took away the most important lesson of all:
The first, best and, yes, only way to put fruitless conflict to rest, and resume fulfilling, mutually-enriching friendship once again, isā¦Letās all talk about Darth Id more!
:thumbs-up, winking smiley!:I, for one, am sorry that some feel it has to be you. Probably doesnāt feel very good Iām sure but I probably donāt have any factual experience to speak from so what do I know?
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Your sensitivity to Darth Idās victimhood is very touching. Iām sure his feelings were pretty torn up.
New motto: Trust no-one, watch out only for myself, ridicule and publicly despise anyone that does not share my views because they matter more than yours. bkev was right, this is Frinkās section of the forum, he has set the standards in it.
My new motto: YOUR MOTTO SUCKS!
Blow it out your wazoo, Iām in no mood to contend with your crappy opinion of everything and anything, that you have no concern over.
warbler, duracell, suspicous, frink
Look, Iām blowing off steam, Iām ticked off. Iām allowed. Iāll get over it. 3 of you make no effort whatsoever to interact with me positively ever. All I get from you 3 is the āone right after the otherā talking smack. You donāt have to like me but it doesnāt warrant your crap talk either. Iāve worked really hard while Iāve been back to stay calm. Either show a little compassion or leave me alone.
Ender, you of all people should know better, since youāre a Behavioral Health Nurse. If you donāt antagonize friends of stressed out patients then you shouldnāt be antagonizing others to make light of someone elseās stress.
Iām not sure what you mean unless you are perhaps misusing the word āantagonizeā. I suspect you mean that I am encouraging friends to antagonize you. I will say this, as a behavioral health nurse, that doesnāt magically fill me with a voluminous sense of overwhelming compassion. Yes, I have a certain sense of patience and love for my patients that many others lack, but itās not always the same. Something I actually get very frustrated with my patients about is their common sense of victimhood. About 90% of my patients feel that their life sucks because of everyone elseās choices, not about their own. Perhaps I donāt always go about it the right way here online, but itās a trait of yours that also aggravates me. You seem to miss the fact that you bring a lot of this misery upon yourself. You are obviously a really nice guy, but just like too much of anything, your niceties often get you into conflict with others.
Let me point out a few things about myself. 1) I hardly ever post anymore. Though Iāve increased in the past few months, itās not nearly what it used to be. Though I read this forum daily, I often go days without posting. That said, 2) I usually come out of hiding to post something only when I feel itās important. So why do I post criticisms of Jetrell Fo, then? Is it really that important? 3) Yes, I feel it is because there are four traits you exhibit that annoy me: a feeling that there is a conspiracy to elevate TVās Frink here that even involves the moderators; you misperceive other peopleās motives with incredible frequency; you feel the need to correct everyone elseās behavior issues, which are usually minor and automoderated by the forum culture, while failing to conform to said culture yourself; you are so defensive that you refuse to actually self-reflect (in spite of your thread) on what you could be doing that is getting others irritated with you. Your first day back, people were already getting annoyed with you. 4) While you show these traits often, sometimes itās with great moderation, but other times it is with such vigor that I cannot help but try to make apparent to you what you are doing that is causing such trouble, usually with a little humor.
Let me give examples of the above grievances I have towards your behavior.
Frink Worship and Mod Collusion
How often have you said, āOh, I see that Frink runs the forum and the moderators arenāt doing anything about. Everyone worships him. Wo is me!ā? Guess what? Off Topic was unmoderated for several years, and it was fine. Sure, we got in arguments. I can name everyone that caused my blood pressure to rise: Darth Id, imperialscum, Lord Haseo, DominicCobb, walkingdork, CP3S, TheBoost, Bingowingsā¦and TVās Frink! Yet, I donāt hold a grudge against any of them, weāve usually worked out our differences in an amicable manner, and all was well. However, you came along, and you became so insistent that things were not going the way you saw fit, and now Off Topic is (sort of) moderated. If the mods feel that the situation can right itself, I think they trust it to do so, and only you have proven that such is not the case. They are not indulging Frink. They just donāt care enough to intervene, and hope that the people here can actually act like adults.
Misperceived Motives
How often have you targeted Warbler for something you donāt approve of? Warbler is a great guy. I hope he wonāt mind me saying this, but heās also a bit of a different guy. His thinking is very concrete at times. He is very black and white. This sometimes reflects in his political views. He also can be very sensitive about certain topics and really blow up. I have been here long enough and read through enough old threads to know that he has also been the victim of a great deal of bullying. Have you not noticed how often Darth Id mocks him? I think I can say with great certainty that when he posts something like, āCut that out or Iāll report you,ā he is not baiting. Such is not his style. He is not a man of subtlety. He is direct and means what he says. But you have to create drama, implying that a conspiracy is afoot, and even create a whole new thread that basically was targeting Warbler. Now I know how often you rush to the defense of those you see as being bullied, so forgive me for defending my friend when I see you creating a stupid thread that specifically calls him out for something I know he is not doing. This is one of many examples where you think somebody is doing something sneaky. Another example might be the belief in multiple socks in existence. You see motivation, sneakiness, and scheming where there is none.
Backseat Moderating/Correcting Othersā Behaviors
It seems that you cannot help but try to get involved in everyoneās disputes. You try to be a peacemaker, but sometimes itās just better to let others hammer out their own problems. See the above example involving Warbler, generalfrevious, and Alderaan. Just learn when to keep a lid on it, and trust other adults and the moderators to make the situation right. Sometimes my oldest two kids (twins) love to correct, often with great rudeness, the behavior of the younger two kids. I tell them all the time that the younger two already have parents and donāt need any extras. Is it not the same principle here? We have grownups who can usually act like theyāre all grown up, and when they canāt, the mods help out. But somehow, you have to be that āextra parentā. Back off.
Over-defensiveness
Finally, while youāve admitted some faults on here, theyāre usually silly and self-deprecating and wrong. However, when anyone points out legitimately what is causing friction on your part, you fail to acknowledge that maybe theyāre right, that maybe a character flaw is coming into play, that maybe you could change something about yourself instead of trying to change others, and that maybe youād get along better. I honestly wouldnāt be surprised if I donāt need to provide any more example here. I think your reply just might be the example I need.
Look, Off Topic will always be a little chaotic. Thatās the way most people here like it. Itās a culture that has developed on this site. You are not going to single-handedly change that. If you donāt like it, find another place to discuss topics of passion. I am conservative, remember; I donāt even like reading the politics thread anymore. I hate Trump, yes, but I get pretty annoyed at some of the stupid generalizations of conservatism or religion that I read in that thread. So I usually donāt say anything. There was a time just a few years ago when most of the frequenters were conservatives, and we ran the thread. Now itās run by liberals. So since I donāt post much anymore and donāt want to get caught up in a heated argument, especially since I know Iām drastically outnumbered these days, I stay away. If you donāt like the overwhelming disagreement, stay away from the thread. If you donāt like the nature of Off Topic, stay away from this part of the forum. If you donāt like the culture of originaltrilogy.com, go to another forum. Donāt keep coming back for punishment and repeating the same errors over and over that I have previously mentioned.
Let me say this last parting bit. I actually do like you and think youāre probably a really great guy in real life. And I will even say that TVās Frinkās politics and humor have gotten on my nerves many, many times. Weāve fought pretty viciously in the past. But I also think that heās a good guy, just a different guy than me. I donāt think he ever wants to hurt anyone. I think he just tries to use humor to point out peopleās foibles, a trait you donāt much care for. Just because both of you annoy me sometimes doesnāt mean either of you are bad people. I choose to like you both, and I try to put up with those traits that can be irritating. Stay you, keep being kind to everyone, and just tone it down on a few things, and I wonāt criticize you anymore.
You say people arenāt that interested. I donāt post much, but Iāve been watching this edit closely. If you successfully pull off your ambitions, I think this would be great! I think you have some very good ideas.