darklordoftech

You can pick GOUT or any of the pre-Special Edition releases.

Luke not knowing about his mother until after NJO. They should have said that Luke knew about his mother after his conversation with ghost Obi-Wan in ROTJ at the latest even if they couldn’t reveal that information to the reader.

Spartacus01 said:

darklordoftech said:

The BBY/ABY calendar existing in-universe.

Why do you hate it? I do not mind it.

Why would the New Republic establish a new year 0? Isn’t that something totalitarian regimes do? Why not use whatever year 0 the Valorum-era Republic used?

The BBY/ABY calendar existing in-universe.

Is it possible that at the time that reshoots and editing for ESB finished, Lucas intended for Leia to be the other hope, but didn’t intend for her to be Luke’s sister? Luke being able to speak to Leia through The Force implied that Leia is Force-sensitive.

Does it work with Windows Vista or 7?

In the Leigh Brackett draft, Luke’s father is referred to simply as “Skywalker”. In the movie, The Emperor refers to Luke as “the son of Skywalker”.

Channel72 said:

Pete Byrdie said:

Greedo talks as though Jabba has already given up on Han and has already put a significant price on his head.

Shortly after, Jabba and Han talk as though Greedo is just Jabba’s lackey and Jabba is looking for Han to pay up, threatening only then to put a bounty on his head.

I agree with all this. Of course, there are ways to rationalize it. Perhaps Greedo is exaggerating Jabba’s anger level in order to trick Han into handing over all the money he owes Jabba - so that Greedo can pocket it, perhaps after killing Han. Greedo tells Han “If you give [the money] to me, I might forget I found you.”

But I agree the whole thing is still very weird - the two scenes are redundant, and suggest entirely different threat levels from Jabba. But early drafts of Star Wars indicate these two scenes were NOT supposed to be mutually exclusive. Both the Greedo scene and the Jabba scene appear together in early drafts, indicating Lucas really did originally want to have both scenes. The best explanation is that Greedo was trying to pocket the money owed to Jabba from Han. His name is “Greedo” after all.

What you linked to isn’t an early draft of the script, but rather a version of the script created after the release of the movie and published in 1979.

Here’s the shooting script:

https://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/star-wars-the-adventures-of-luke-starkiller-revised-fourth-draft/

Gandalf the Cyan said:

It’s unclear whether all of this was Lucas’s concept, or if it was Brackett’s concept that he borrowed.

There’s a city in the clouds in the first 3 drafts of the script for ANH. McQuarrie’s art for this city in the clouds was used for Cloud City in ESB.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_City_of_Alderaan

For the Legends Old Republic era:

• The Sith species rules the galaxy before the Republic.
• The Force Wars are the event that leads to the first Sith Lords, not the Second Great Schism.
• The Sith don’t have lightsabers until the Great Hyperspace War.
• KOTOR happens in 2000 BBY and Revan is the Sith founder mentioned in the TPM novelization. The pre-Republic Sith species Empire (the “True Sith Empire”) takes the place of the Rakata.
• No Darths before Revan.
• KOTOR 3 happens as implied by KOTOR 2 instead of SWTOR.
• Darth Bane is one of Revan’s followers and establishes the Rule of Two shortly after KOTOR 3.
• From 2000 BBY to 1000 BBY, the Rule of Two Sith openly exist (hence Yoda expects the Sith to be following the Rule of Two in TPM and he recognizes Darth Bane in TCW).

For the Legends prequel era:

• The real Jaster Mereel doesn’t kill a corrupt superior officer and get exiled from the Journeyman Protectors for it. He leaves the Journeyman Protectors on good terms with them, hence they welcome Boba into their ranks when he claims to be Jaster Mereel.
• Aside from Mace Windu, characters keep their pre-AOTC lightsaber colors.

For the Legends Original Trilogy era:

• Splinter of the Mind’s Eye doesn’t happen.
• The IG-88 story in Tales of the Bounty Hunters doesn’t happen.
• Zuckuss and 4-LOM continue their redemption arc from Tales of the Bounty Hunters.

For the Legends Post-ROTJ era:

• No Darths after Sidious and Vader.
• Luke doesn’t turn to the Dark Side in Dark Empire.
• Vima Da-Boda isn’t a descendent of Nomi Sunrider and Sedriss isn’t a descendent of Ulic Qel-Droma.
• Vodo-Siosk Baas takes the place of Bodo Baas as the Jedi Holocron gatekeeper. Bodo Baas doesn’t exist.

JadedSkywalker said:

Were Red Lightsabers supposed to denote evil? Because I swear in the EU red meant synthetic and the reason the Sith used them was because they didn’t have access to natural crystals.

In the pre-AOTC EU, lightsaber colors don’t have any meaning. In fact, Leia has a red lightsaber in some books and some of the Jedi on the council in TPM had red lightsabers.

When George explained the meaning of lightsaber colors to Samuel L. Jackson, the EU introduced the synthetic crystal lore to explain it in-universe. However, Shadows of the Empire established that Luke’s ROTJ lightsaber has a synthetic crystal, so we know that synthetic crystals aren’t inherently red. My headcanon is that the Sith make their lightsabers red to honor the Sith species.

That Darth Andeddu is implied to have been part of the Sith Empire seen in Tales of the Jedi: The Golden Age of the Sith in spite of the fact that between being a Darth and fleeing to a Deep Core planet, Andeddu doesn’t fit the lore of the Sith Empire. It would have made more sense for Andeddu to be from the New Sith Wars.

That the Dark Jedi ancestors of Naga Sadow were retconned from having lived ~25,000 BBY to having lived ~7000 BBY without any reason being given for the retcon and therefore the conflict between the Jedi and the Dark Jedi ancestors of Naga Sadow was retconned from being the “First Great Schism” to being the “Second Great Schism” in spite of the fact that Tales of the Jedi: The Golden Age of the Sith refers to that conflict as the “First Great Schism”.

Lucasfilm published a Star Wars newsletter called Bantha Tracks and the 5th issue, published in July 1979, says:

“Not much is known about Boba Fett. He wears part of the uniform of the Imperial Shocktroopers, warriors from the olden time. Shocktroopers came from the far side of the galaxy and there aren’t many of them left. They were wiped out by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars. Whether he was a shocktrooper or not is unknown. He is the best bounty hunter in the galaxy, and cares little for whom he works — as long as they pay.”

I believe that this is what the ESB novelization and the Marvel comic were going by.

The Empire Strikes Back Sketchbook, a book about Joe Johnston’s concept art for ESB, says that that the initial idea was for the armor of Boba Fett to be worn by “supercommandos” “from the Mandalore system”, hence the Marvel comic introducing the planet Mandalore and naming the warriors in Fett-like armor “Mandalorian Protectors”.

philraid said:

If he does have a name, it’s either Frank or The Senate.

Richard Marquand’s 1983 holocron and George Lucas’s 2005 holocron agree that his first name is “The”, but they disagree on whether his last name is “Emperor” or “Senate”.

Ludo Kressh seems to be a road not taken for the Sith. I wonder what would have hapoened if the Republic discovered a Kressh-ruled Sith Empire.

Superweapon VII said:

Darths before Bane. Whomever created Darth Rivan should be bludgeoned with a sturgeon, and so should Drew Karpyshyn and the others who perpetuated that nonsense.

Ironically, George Lucas likely meant for Bane to be first Darth. Statements from Lucas and the wording of the TPM novelization suggest that the pre-Bane Sith were short-lived and didn’t pose a serious threat to the Jedi. I believe that Lucas meant for the Sith Order started by Darth Bane to be the one that ruled the galaxy 1000 years before the movies.

JadedSkywalker said:

Yeah Vader was supposed to be one of many Dark Lords. As per the Lucas/Foster story conference on Splinter, and in the novelization of Star Wars. That part was never edited out of the book itself but the audio tape abridgement changed it to just Vader being the Dark Lord. in the 1990s. John Whitman did the edited abridgement.

In the rough draft, there’s a bunch of “Sith Knights”, with “Prince Valorum” being the only one to be named and “Darth Vader” is just a general. In the 2nd draft, “Darth Vader” is now a Sith Knight and is a “Lord” (but none of the other Sith Knights are) and his master is “Prince Espaa Valorum”. In the 3rd draft, all the Sith are “Dark Lords” instead of “Knights” and Vader now serves the Emperor directly. In the 4th draft and revised 4th draft, Vader is the only “Sith”.

JadedSkywalker said:

Zahn used the term Dark Jedi to refer to Palpatine and Vader. I guess he had no idea what a Sith was?

I mean other than wanting The Noghri to be the Sith race, and Vader Lord of the Sith.

Correct. Lucy Autrey Wilson, who was the President of the EU, was Lucas’s secretary when the Original Trilogy was written, so she knew about the early drafts in which Vader is one of many “Sith” and rejected Zahn’s Noghri-as-Sith idea.

The OT gave me the impression that Anakin hadn’t completed his Jedi training yet when he became Darth Vader. Obi-Wan says Vader was “a pupil of mine before he turned to evil” and Yoda warns Luke that if he doesn’t complete his training he’ll end up like Vader.

I don’t think Anakin was supposed to be Sebastian Shaw’s age. Between the makeup on dying Anakin and the blurry ghost, you can’t tell Shaw’s age from watching the movie.

Jake Lloyd would say, “I’m a person and my name’s Darth.”

JadedSkywalker said:

Wasn’t Naboo originally Aquilae the world annexed by the Galactic Emperor, not the Trade Federation. And the purge of the Jedi was the end of the Jedi rebellion. Valorum the Knight of the Sith, right hand man of the Emperor was involved in both. No order 66, no Space taxes.

Aquilae is the planet that Leia is Princess of in “The Star Wars”, the rough draft script for what would become A New Hope. It gets annexed by the Empire instead of getting destroyed.

Battlefront: Renegade Squadron is a historically-inaccurate holodrama.

Superweapon VII said:

Vladius said:

I do think Palpatine was intended to be a Sith, though. Once the Sith and the concept of Sith Lords existed, I’m fairly certain that Vader and Palpatine were integrated into it.

Little doubt this is what Lucas intended, but it’s a factoid he apparently kept close to his chest, because Palpatine wasn’t characterized as a Sith in the pre-1999 EU. Darth Vader was characterized as THE Dark Lord of the Sith during the time of the Empire, and as per Tales of the Jedi, only the reigning Sith lord held the “Dark Lord” title. And Empire’s End excluded Palpatine from the Sith hierarchy.

The Sith spirits were gracious enough to make Palpatine an honorary Dark Lord in lieu of Vader, but that Vader had a throne set up for him in their mausoleum while Palpatine didn’t speaks volumes.

Furthermore, the Sith spirits say “Emperor of numberless worlds” and “Palpatine”, not “Lord Sidious”. Lucas forbade the EU from identifying anyone alive within the lifetime of the movie characters aside from Vader as a “(Dark Lord of the) Sith”.

I remember people on this very forum complaining that midichlorians imply that some people can’t use The Force and now I see people complaining that Ahsoka implies that anyone can use The Force.

What does everyone here think of the 2019 color grading?