darkhelmet

Originally posted by: Darth Richard
Any updates about epsidoe one editing?? And Hey Darkhelmet you should see if you could join the team cuz I bet you have some good ideas for episdoe 3.

Originally posted by: MTHaslett
There's a thread called the "Starkiller Ranch Edit" about doing the whole saga, starting with Episode 1. The main thrust of that edit was to eliminate the character of Sidious from Episode 1, a strategy that dramatically improves the story. Sidious plays much better in that story as the literal "Phantom Menace" who is alluded to, but never seen. That makes the Nemoidians into more worthy villains.

Originally posted by: CO
I have never hated the man personally, I think anyone who does takes it way too far. But he is disingenious on everything he does, and that kinda annoys me, and will always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm glad to see someone put it so succinctly.

Since the Trilogy did figure into my life so much as a kid, and into adulthood, the dashed expectations and the revoked history (both filmic and of the SW universe itself) that resulted from the SEs and the prequels felt like betrayal.

The quote that this site is based on almost says it all. The OT gave viewers around the world a shared view for a universe, a fictional one but a shared view none-the-less. One of the big reasons Lucas wrote Star Wars was to provide a shared vision for our world, since, according to him, "the [19]60's shot the hell out of any shared vision we had for this place". He wanted to introduce a basic morality to kids of the 1970's, and he succeeded.

SW was a tale of good versus evil, of choice and consequence, and of redemption for the seemingly hopelessly lost. Lucas chose to marr the world that housed that vision 20 years after it had been indelibly imprinted on the conciousness of our planet. It was rewriting history. It was a betrayal of his audience. An audience which had even continued to pay him to enjoy the fantasy realm which he had created. Seems like Star Wars grew beyond Lucas, and he couldn't deal with that. 'Nuff said.


Originally posted by: CO
I can go back to thinking the duel between ObiWan/Anakin on this volcano planet was great, Leia and her mom went into exile, Anakin was cooler than Han Solo as a padawan, and midiclorians? Isn't that a seafood?

Originally posted by: eros
same goes for revealing what Jabba looks like before ROTJ. Sometimes what you don't see is just as important as what you do see.

Originally posted by: Master Qui-Gon
There is a way to seperate the audio channels:

HERE!

But most of the sound effects are played on the same channels like the music.

Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Well, Buddhism advocates total non-vioelence for any reason. If Lucas was a Buddhist, the 'Rebels' would be like Gandhi, I think... starving themselves for social change.

Which Palpatine wouldn't care one whit about...

Originally posted by: HumpMeObiWan
You've got to be kidding me
Now in honor of caving in to demand and giving us what we always wanted they're making a t-shirt emblazoned with a phrase that was created to signify our frustration? This is history-revisionist bullshit. I implore everyone to NOT buy this shirt. Don't let him profit off of OUR reaction to HIS mistake.

Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Lucas' assertion that it's cold blooded murder reflects, I think, his increasingly liberal world view.

Originally posted by: Trooperman
One thing I would watch out for is multiple music tracks playing at once. I like your music from the beginning of Empire, but several times the original music comes through on the soundtrack, which is distracting.

Originally posted by: Gorram
One word made me want to attempt a fan edit.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo.............

OMFG what were they thinking?

Originally posted by: Jobel
I thought the space battle was well edited, but by removing much of the rescue footage and dialogue this seemed like one big space battle with little purpose.

Originally posted by: The Dark Lord
i totally agree, i caught these movies in the theater the first time around, and never stopped watching them. it's my first and last great obsession.
CO asks a great question: why are these movies so timeless and popular regardless of culture, and shouln't i be bored with them by now? to be sure, the mythic elements are resonant across civilizations and definitely help to make star wars accesible to all, but it's only a formula. few other films employing these tropes come close to the emminent watchability of the OOT.

ultimately i think it was a complex of variables:
1. mythic goodness
2. fantastic chemistry between actors (lucas sensibly spent a great deal of time on casting)
3. great writers helping lucas out
4. he borrowed the coolest stuff that kids from his era grew up loving and imitating on the playground, and blended all of these very FUN elements with "impeccable taste and panache" (westerns, flash gordon type serials, monster movies, war movies) into a delicious cinematic souffle. they're so much FUN to watch, and i think that accounts for a lot.
5. most importantly, he was plain lucky. everything just clicked while making these films. he had the right people surrounding him at the right time and the right place and he was a hungry, young artist desperate to prove himself. everything fell into place, and to his credit he birthed a work of genius.

with the prequels lucas was far from being a desperate artist. the primary concern was no longer the manufacture of profoundly artistic films; he was more concerned with advancing the technology of movie making. being surrounded by yes-men probably doesn't help. the emperor wears no flannel ... ewww.

Originally posted by: Trooperman
I agree that this is some very interesting stuff you've done here, darkhelmet. I would definitely not cut the saber duel, however; this is completely salvagable.

I'll see what I can do, but I've got no reason to love Dooku, that's for sure. And I'd like to make Palpatine's true intentions for Anakin seem a little, okay... a LOT less obvious. The dialogue throughout the duel is very two-dimensional and weak, but maybe there is some good left in it. (alright, enough rephrasing of various Star Wars lines; my apologies)



I'm not as much of an audio guy as a visual one, so thanks for that critique. I'll pay close attention to the audio tweaks I do.

Originally posted by: Trooperman
But I loved how you cut the battle footage and removed the stupidity (buzz droids and so on). Nice work.

Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
However, not seeing any of the rescue of the chancellor, especially the fight with Dooku, feels very strange. I understand there are many awkward moments there that have thankfully been cut, but I'd like to think some of it is salvagable.

Originally posted by: JennyS1138 Thu May 04, 2006 2:50 PM
A filmmaker named George Lucas, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped 20th century fox hunt down and destroy the original original trilogy. He betrayed and murdered the movies. Now the original prints are all but extinct. Lucas was seduced by cgi.

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I just went back and re-read the starwars.com article out of sheer joy and noticed that it has been altered since the last time I read it. It now refers to the theatrical cuts as "bonus material" for the 2004 releases and no longer mentions the absence of the "Episode IV: A New Hope" subtitle. I wonder what it means, and why it was changed. Compare the version that Nanner Split has (thankfully) quoted at the top of this thread compared to how it reads now. Doesn't make much sense to me why it was shortened and changed.

Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
SOMEBODY'S GOING TO SUE GEORGE LUCAS.


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