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#225351
Topic
DVD controversy mentioned on imdb.com
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RANT WARNING!

Well, more emails aside, I'm throwing in the towel. Lucas has won. His ego is just too well-fortified to be contended with.

I'm not a big proponent of corporate greed, where the slogan often seems to be "where you see green, that's the place to be", but, at least a corporate studio mentality, free of the need to protect the ego of a filmmaker who has made a film which they own and he doesn't, would probably see the value (in $$) of giving the market what it wants. If it had been up to FOX alone, I'm sure they would've picked up on the fan demand for the OOT and given the three movies the grand DVD treatment that would make the fans happy.

Since this is apparently not the case at Lucasfilm, where CEO Lucas has the ultimate pull, we will most likely be stuck with the OOT as non-anamorphic bonus features sitting back seat to Lucas's precious "original vision", SE versions of the Star Wars films.

I'd fully be behind another petition, but I won't be giving my money to Lucas for a non-anamorphic, "limited-time-only" DVD set that treats these historical movies as bonus features. This treatment screams that he is only begrudgingly putting the originals out. And not only that, but it amounts to scare-tactics as well: "You better be happy that we're giving them to you at all. Now, pre-order them before they're never available again!"

The marketing that his company has done for the SE release has been nothing short of misrepresentation, if not outright lying. Anyone who goes into Best Buy to buy the currently available DVDs will find no indication that the DVDs are anything but the original versions. They are simply labeled as STAR WARS TRILOGY.

It's the attitude that Lucas seems to exude regarding the originals that really has taken a lot of the fun out of being a fan. The illusion of a masterpiece has been shattered, now that the supposed master seems to be only a leader of a team who has produced three movies that he doesn't consider to be his "true vision", aka, not true master works.

Lucas seems to pride himself on being an auteur filmmaker, and, yet, so much of what made his originals so powerful seems to be the creativity of so many others that worked with him. And this creativity, he seems to readily disregard in favor of supplanting it with his own extrremely after-the-fact retooling.

Why won't he graciously accept the fact that the originals are what made him and that people love the versions they grew up with?

As Aldous Huxley, author of the sci-fi and literary classic BRAVE NEW WORLD, said about his most popular work:

"[T]o attempt to patch a faulty work into the perfection it missed at its first execution, to spend one's middle age in trying to mend the artistic sins committed and bequeathed by that different person who was oneself in youth - all this is surely vain and futile."

Sound like anyone we know?

I won't be paying Lucas for SE ammunition to throw right back at him. I'll be more content to tell my kids, "Not too long ago in a reality not too far away, there existed three of the most magical movies ever made..."

That is, unless of course, they end up on Blue-Ray or HD-DVD, which isn't a possibility too far afield.

It will be interesting to hear how all of this pans out, and I will be sending another round or two of emails to the people in charge telling them that I won't be buying the September release. But, for now, this is the straw that broke the bantha's back.

SW: R.I.P. - 9/12/06
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#225343
Topic
Lucas may have caved, here is a link to Barnes & Noble early review of the O-OT DVD's:
Time
RANT WARNING!

Originally posted by: Mielr
I actually suggested having Jay be the leader of this a while back, but somebody said that Jay might not approve of buying the DVDs in the first place. I'd still really like to hear what Jay thinks about this sendback idea, though. The purpose of this site now could be to organize a mass-sendback movement, instead of the petition site that it once was.

Originally posted by: Mike O
We won't know until we try. Don't worry, you don't sound like a curmudgeon . You're just being a realist. But before, it was a waiting game. Now, it seems, that the battle for Helm's Deep (the OOT) is over and the Battle for Middle Earth (a high quality release) is about to begin. [passionate rant] We must fight.


I'd fully be behind another petition, but I won't be giving my money to Lucas for a non-anamorphic, "limited-time-only" DVD set that treats these historical movies as bonus features. This treatment screams that he is only begrudgingly putting the originals out. And not only that, but it amounts to scare-tactics as well. "You better be happy that we're giving them to you at all. Now, pre-order them before there never available again!"

The marketing that his company has done for the SE release has been nothing short of misrepresentation, if not outright lying. Anyone who goes into Best Buy to buy the currently available DVDs will find no indication that the DVDs are anything but the original versions. They are simply labeled as STAR WARS TRILOGY.

It's the attitude that Lucas seems to exude regarding the originals that really has taken a lot of the fun out of being a fan. The illusion of a masterpiece has been shattered, now that the supposed master seems to be only a leader of a team who has produced three movies that he doesn't consider to be his "true vision", aka, not true master works.

Lucas seems to pride himself on being an auteur filmmaker, and, yet, so much of what made his originals so powerful seems to be the creativity of so many others that worked with him. And this creativity, he seems to readily disregard in favor of supplanting it with his own extrremely after-the-fact retooling.

Why won't he graciously accept the fact that the originals are what made him and that people love the versions they grew up with?

As Aldous Huxley, author of the sci-fi and literary classic BRAVE NEW WORLD, said about his most popular work:

"[T]o attempt to patch a faulty work into the perfection it missed at its first execution, to spend one's middle age in trying to mend the artistic sins committed and bequeathed by that different person who was oneself in youth - all this is surely vain and futile."

I won't be paying Lucas for SE ammunition to throw right back at him. I'll be more content to tell my kids, "Not too long ago in a reality not too far away, there existed three of the most magical movies ever made..."

That is, unless of course, they end up on Blue-Ray or HD-DVD, which isn't a possibility too far afield.

It will be interesting to hear how all of this pans out, and I will be sending another round or two of emails to the people in charge telling them that I won't be buying the September release. But, for now, this is the straw that broke the bantha's back.

SW: R.I.P. - 9/12/06
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#225070
Topic
Lucas may have caved, here is a link to Barnes & Noble early review of the O-OT DVD's:
Time
Originally posted by: Mike O

Are either of you sending back the SE discs to Lucas/ It will be interesting to see how many people do and what effect it has.


Honestly, I'd love to have an official, professionally crafted Lucasfilm DVD set, but, if the anamorphic thing doesn't happen, Lucas isn't going to get my money. Why reward him for treating these movies in a sub-industry-standard way?

About the idea of sending the SE discs back to Lucas, I don't mean to sound like a pessimistic curmudgeon, but how effective do you think this would really be? A huge number of people would have to get behind this, and Lucas has already demonstrated that he will do what he wants with little regard for his original fans. It's a very dramatic and poignant gesture, but by the time you send the discs back, he's already got your money.

If I'm just blinded by working way too long today and by allowing my negative side to come out too much, someone, please, feel free to show me the light that seems to be forever waning at the end of this tunnel.

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#224903
Topic
Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
Time
Originally posted by: MielrYou're welcome. It's the shorter letters that have the better chance of actually being read, anyway. I think the key to this is volume- the more letters they receive from us, the better, regardless of how long or short they are. As long as you get your message across....


I agree. If we want to be heard, we need to turn up the volume.

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#224789
Topic
Just Saw The Unaltered Trilogy For The First Time...
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Darth Evil, your my kind of scum. I was beginning to think that my enjoyment of the OOT was largely rooted in being an impressionable kid at the time, so it was good to hear that they converted you. Now, if we can only change Lucasfilm's DVD plans...

To that end, I just emailed Lucasfilm and Fox again after having done it only once before. Maybe it's not too late to save Star Wars from Darth Lucas (to borrow the witty moniker from InvaderJenny).
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#224787
Topic
Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
Time
Thanks for all of the email addresses, Mielr. All we can do is make our voices heard, now with correspondence or later by withholding our money. Like a lot of us fans are, I'm pretty burned out on worrying about what Lucas will or won't do, so my email was pretty much just polite brass tacks. I can't get that emotionally involved any more.

We should probably keep up the contact. Here's what I wrote to Lynne Hayle, Jim Ward, Fox Studios and the others that you provided the addresses for:

"Dear Lucasfilm and Fox Studios,

Please, reconsider the plans for the upcoming September DVD release of the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars Trilogy, three of the most popular and beloved movies in film history.

It would be wonderful if they could be enjoyed in the industry-standard anamorphic format that maximizes the presentation regardless of the final screen on which the DVDs are displayed.

Sincerely,
Michael Banks,
Star Wars Fan"

Nothing flowery; just facts and disappointment.
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#224786
Topic
Lucas may have caved, here is a link to Barnes & Noble early review of the O-OT DVD's:
Time
Thanks for the kick in the butt, Mielr. I emailed Jim Ward a while back about the non-anamorphic thing but haven't made multiple attempts until tonight. All we can do is make our voices heard, now with correspondence or later by withholding our money. Like a lot of us fans are, I'm pretty burned out on worrying about what Lucas will or won't do, so my email was pretty much just polite brass tacks. I can't get that emotionally involved any more.

We should probably keep up the contact. Here's what I wrote to Lynne Hayle, Jim Ward, Fox Studios and the others that Mielr provided the addresses for:

"Dear Lucasfilm and Fox Studios,

Please, reconsider the plans for the upcoming September DVD release of the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars Trilogy, three of the most popular and beloved movies in film history.

It would be wonderful if they could be enjoyed in the industry-standard anamorphic format that maximizes the presentation regardless of the final screen on which the DVDs are displayed.

Sincerely,
Michael Banks,
Star Wars Fan"

Nothing flowery; just facts and disappointment.
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#213670
Topic
Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
Time
All right. Aside from the media, here are a couple of contacts on more of "nerve" level, hopefully.

If retailers feel the heat of the September release in lost dollars and cents, maybe that will help.

Here's the Contact page for media and electronics store Best Buy (West Coast only?):
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat12104&type=page

If the discs aren't anamorphic, how can you hype Star Wars fans into getting a new widescreen plasma?

And for Fry's Electronics Online Ordering:
http://www.outpost.com/template/feedback/email/
-or simply-
service@outpost.com
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#213655
Topic
I just compared my 'Hoosiers' Anamorphic & Non-Anamorphic DVD's
Time
I'm gonna wait and see how I feel about the whole thing. Knowing that George Lucas isn't a fan of his own originals really puts a damper on it for me. Especially since that lack of enthusiasm seems to result in spite for the very fans who are fans of what made him a household name to begin with.

I may very well not buy these discs. Why should I reward his disdain?
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#213582
Topic
Will the OOT *even* be DVD9?
Time
What do you all think about these recent quotes from Lucas?

"It's just the original versions, as they were," Lucas said. "We didn't do anything to it at all. But we're not sure how many people want that."

AND

"Now we'll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions," he said. "It'll all come out in the end."

(Full MTV.com Article)
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#213578
Topic
DVD controversy mentioned on imdb.com
Time
Well, the comments made by John Singh didn't really sound THAT bad, but, if they really didn't want the films to be a source of frustration, they should've assumed that fans DID want quality treatment given to them.

Here's a couple of quotes from a May 11th article on MTV.com from Lucas that makes this whole DVD release seem to amount to a round of poker with Lucasfilm dealing from a stacked deck:

"It's just the original versions, as they were," Lucas said. "We didn't do anything to it at all. But we're not sure how many people want that."

AND

"Now we'll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions," he said. "It'll all come out in the end."

(Full MTV.com Article)
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#213300
Topic
Help: looking for... Fan prequels?
Time
Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
Thanks, DH
No problem. We all need to exercise our creative spirit.
Originally posted by: Je
I'm sorry guys my emotions got the best of me. Its just people keep thrashing the prequels when I think they were fine how they are. Its episode IV I have a problem with. My bad guys.

It's okay by me, but you should remember that you are in the forums for a website dedicated to the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars films of 1977, 1980 and 1983. 'Nuff said.
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Apology accepted. But you like the prequels and have a problem with episode 4? And you call us crazy?

Now, does name-calling get us anywhere good in Happy Land, guys? Come on now. Really.

You're crazy. He's crazy. I guess everyone here's just a bunch of Loony Tunes.
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#212033
Topic
Help: looking for... Fan prequels?
Time
Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
I find various ideas come and go, start small and then grow as I dwell on them. I'm starting to think that my effort would be better spend on a project of my own so that the fanboys can bitch when i put out a special edition with enhanced footage

I think we've got our hands full with Lucas. Thanks for the consideration, though.

Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
But, here's the basic story outline I have so far, such as it is, with a few notes.


Looks like a pretty comprehensive story arc in both posts. My friend and I talked about retelling the prequels' story, and it's pretty amazing that we came up with a similar connection for Owen, Beru and Anakin.

It all sounds pretty cool, but having Luke fall into lava, too? How does that work?

And I've had this vision set in my mind about the Clone Wars from early speculation about it involving Boba Fett's people, the Mandalorian.
One of the early ideas, I believe, was that the Clones were clones of the Mandalorian (like the Prequels), but they were made by the Mandalorian for their own use. And I can't help but love the idea of a sky-flying Mandalorians taking on an army of Jedi.

That being said, and aside from the fact that the OT reference is specifically to "clone", your "Cloan" idea is pretty ingenious.

Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
I'm starting to think that my effort would be better spend on a project of my own...


Yeah, I'm feeling burn-out over the whole SW thing, and once I'm done with my Episode 3 re-edit, I may drop it for the most part.
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#211965
Topic
Should Lucus make 4,5 and 6 over?
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Case reopened... The only movies that should ever be remade are movies with good ideas that were executed badly, in the hope that the remake will do a better job of turning a good idea into a good movie... Taking a movie that is already good and remaking it is pointless, and often disastrous.
Disastrous? We could only hope. That's actually why I think he should remake them according to his early, original ideas. It might finally be clear to Joe Average how bad of a script writer/filmmaker George Lucas has become. I'd even dare say that he's NEVER been great by himself.

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
However, despite the fact that I fundamentally disagree with everything you have to say, I wish Lucas would just remake 4 5 and 6 - that way he would leave the true trilogy alone, and maybe, just maybe, I would be able to enjoy his 6 part 'vision'. But it wouldn't be star wars - it would be some other thing, and I would consider it just that - a seperate, unrelated thing.


I'd be open to enjoying his new 6-part "vision", too if it turned out to be good. It would be a "What If?" story related to the SW Universe.

However, he'd need to re-edit the PT ala The Phantom Editor to get me to watch it.

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
One last thing: Saying a movie is dated and therefore should be remade is ridiculous. Time passes and things date. That doesn't mean they need to be replaced by a 'new model'. They are of their time, and that is often part of their value. Shall we burn the Mona Lisa and photoshop a new one (modelled on Mandy Moore) to hang in the Louvre?


I agree. A bolder cinematic attempt would have been to shoot the PT to match the look of the Original Trilogy, from art direction to writing to editing to directing. Can you imagine if he had deliberately casted and designed the PT to look like films shot in the '70s and '80s? (and spent more time and effort on sculpting a Yoda puppet that actually resembled the OT Yoda? but i digress.)