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#237401
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The Academy Award winning editing of Episode IV
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garethxxgod, I think the concensus is that the Academy Awards don't necessarily mean that much nowadays. Maybe it's always been a big joke, but that a sci-fi film back in the '70s, when sci-fi was a dead genre, received 6 Oscars, I think that actually carries some weight, especially since the film had such a globally cross-cultural appeal and changed the entire art and craft of filmmaking.
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#237390
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DVD WRITING CAMPAIGN - WEEK ONE - "Entertainment Weekly"
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Thanks, theredbaron. This spells out extremely well the frustration with and the inequity of the Septmeber DVD release that I hope we can address with this writing campaign.

Please, everyone who reads this thread, we need your help TO DEMONSTRATE TO LUCAS AND THE ENTERTAINMENT WORLD THAT THERE IS DEMAND FOR THE OOT ON THE LATEST, GREATEST DIGITAL FORMAT and that WE FANS WILL NOT SIMPLY TAKE GEORGE LUCAS' BACKHAND AND SAY, "PLEASE, SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER"!
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#237165
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DVD WRITING CAMPAIGN - WEEK ONE - "Entertainment Weekly"
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Since EW is naturally only interested in publishing letters that relate to their publication in specific ways, I've amassed the link list from EW.com below to enable us letter writers to reference an article that we can use as a springboard for our September DVD questions about the shoddy, substandard treatment that the "OOT-as-bonus-material-only" is getting.

I hope the list gives everyone something to reference and maybe a little inspiration to fight the good fight.

Here it is:

Pertinent Links on EW.com:

SW Search Results on EW.com:
http://www.ew.com/ew/search/verity/result/1,9158,,00.html?origin_topic=&origin_type=&origin_brand=0&find=star+wars&x=5&y=3

Specific Articles:

2004 DVD Release:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/review/dvd/0,6115,697508_21_0_,00.html

DVD Reviewer Speaking Against Yet Another SW DVD Release This September:
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1193583_1_0_,00.html

George Lucas AFI Lifetime Achievement Award Articles:
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1073713_1_0_,00.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1070800_1_0_,00.html

ROTS Box Office Articles:
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1065898_1_0_,00.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1067003_1_0_,00.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1064489_1_0_,00.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1063956_1_0_,00.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1058214_7_0_,00.html

EW’s 5 Burning Questions About SW:
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1060832_7_0_,00.html

The Saga Ends:
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1060829_7_0_,00.html

Expanded Timeline of SW History:
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1059915_7_0_,00.html

Reader Favorites from SW: Aliens, Ships and More:
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1062143_1_0_,00.html

Comprehensive Look at the SW Franchise (link page):
http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,9930,42702_11_0_,00.html

Mielr, I've PM'd a few people; I have a couple more in mind to PM as well.

We'll see if that helps the cause.


Edit: I PM'd those two others; more are coming to mind.
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#237072
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It has begun: StarWars.com to celebrate original films
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Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
You've gotta realize that the website is run by people who love the OOT. Whereas the guy that runs Lucasfilm does not.

I think that's probably the case with most of the Lucas companies. I wonder if that's why were getting all the info pushing the OOT in the messaging about the September release even though there isn't even standard DVD treatment for the originals.

We're trying to get a writing campaign going to, quite frankly, embarass Lucas for this treatment of three of of the most popular pieces of film history, not to mention the fact that SW won 6 Oscars.

We're not trying to change this release, because that is impossible at this point. We just want to show that there is demand for an OOT ONLY DVD release despite what sales might indicate.

If interested, check the thread here: DVD WRITING CAMPAIGN - WEEK ONE - "Entertainment Weekly"

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#236953
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Episode I: PaulisDead2221's Edit (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: PaulisDead2221
Originally posted by: darkhelmet

Glad I could help. Maybe you could drop some suggestions at my Ep. 3 thread once I get editing on it again. Cheers!


Actually I got some damn good ideas for that one.

Cool. Maybe you can share some later.

I hope you get your project back up and running; it would be a shame to lose such a promising edit. I haven't had hardware failure on my edit, but I have had multiple software failures. I've worked around them, though, and the edit goes on.

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#236946
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DVD WRITING CAMPAIGN - WEEK ONE - "Entertainment Weekly"
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: darkhelmet

Edit: I was thinking about how to drum up more contributors to the cause; is it against forum rules/ettiquette to PM a list of people about this to try to get them involved?


I don't know- I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Seeing how so few people have participated so far, I'd say it's a good idea.


Alrighty then. I'll PM a couple of people.

One thing people will need to understand is that we are NOT trying to change September's DVD release but only trying to make known the ridiculousness, the illogic, and the dishonor (to the films AND the fans) of releasing the originals as mere bonus material.
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#236772
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DVD WRITING CAMPAIGN - WEEK ONE - "Entertainment Weekly"
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Hi, Mielr and Mike O. I'm finally back in the fray! I hope you can get back online soon, Mike.

Here's what I sent to EW:

Dear EW,

Like many people, I have been a Star Wars fan since childhood. Following the franchise’s development through the years, I was interested to see the unmasked villain of the entire Skywalker Saga, Darth Vader, front-and-center on last year’s May 20 issue (#820), a testament to the impact that the original three movies have made on our society.

Not only did Star Wars imbed itself in our consciousness, it garnered 6 Oscars and permanently changed not only the movie industry but also the art of filmmaking itself.

Which are three reasons why the upcoming DVD releases containing this seminal film and its sequels are egregious, artistic sins. I use the word “containing”, because that is all this upcoming release presents them as, elements of a release.

The theatrical versions of the original Star Wars trilogy have been relegated to bonus material, while the release showboats yet another incarnation of George Lucas’s digitally altered versions of the films. Digital alterations have already been released twice on DVD. In an article on MTV.com (5/11/06, George Lucas Says Indiana’s Next Crack Of The Whip Will Be Tamer), Lucas states, “It's just the original versions, as they were. We didn't do anything to it at all.” What kind of treatment is that for three of the most popular and influential films in all of film history?

In the same article, Lucas claims that this release will indicate whether or not DVD buyers really wanted the originals on DVD. People will always want the original of any important film on the latest, greatest home format; just look at the original King Kong released this year from Warner Home Video!

Why hasn’t Lucas given the original movies which made him famous and wealthy their own commemorative release on DVD with the best treatment possible? His companies push the cinema technology envelope with THX sound and special effects, and he retools the original Star Wars films to create his “original visions” of them, but why won’t he issue even an industry-standard DVD release of the original theatrical versions of the films that he is best known for?

Frustrated Fan,
Michael Banks


The final question really sums up the source of my frustration with the upcoming DVDs. Doesn't sound too kooky, does it?

Edit: I was thinking about how to drum up more contributors to the cause; is it against forum rules/ettiquette to PM a list of people about this to try to get them involved?
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#234626
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Hey, guys. Sorry I've been MIA; work was out of control this week.

My boss' daughter's wedding and me slammed with projects, and now I'm late to start my vacation. I'll be back Wednesday night.

If someone wants to get this started without me, go for it. I'll jump on the train when I get back.

How about the new thread being called "Sub-standard September DVD Release Complaint Writing Campaign (aka, Sales Aren't the Only Way to See that There Is Demand for an Industry-standard Release)"? I know; a little wordy.

I think the target focus for the emails/letters should be how this release of the OOT is substandard (the movies being included merely as "bonus material", as non-anamorphic [if that really bothers you], as being sourced from a 13 year old laser disc master when so much restoration went into the SE editions theatrically and for the DVDs in 2004 - you know, like a little more work to restore them fully to original would've been that hard, and that this kind of treatment of the movies which MADE LUCAS and which had such cultural impact globally [not to mention that SW won an Academy Award or two] is something that any other studio would not have let happen to the DVD releases)... <deep inhalation>

...AND that it is borderline, if not outrightly, fradulent (see the Star Wars Insider info below).

There. That's what I think we should focus on.

And I think we should use as many authoritative sources of info as possible to make our points (e.g., the email responses of John Singh, Lucasfilm, Ltd. Publicity; maybe the Digital Bits article(s) on the DVD releases; etc. I know there's a juicy tidbit I'm missing, but I can't bring it to mind; I hate that).

I'm gonna start emailing when I get back. Please, don't wait for me; I'll jump in when I get back from vacation.

Maybe we can start with Entertainment Weekly since that's a pretty big magazine, though it looks like we will need to tie our complaints to an EW article (I'm thinking of tying mine to the May 20, 2005 edition (#820) which had Hayden Christensen on the cover as Anakin; the cover was dominated by Star Wars).

Here's all the best contact info that I have:

Star Wars Insider
(Interestingly enough, the "Star Wars Shop" pages of the Sept/Oct issue (#89) lists the upcoming DVDs in a bundled package as "Star Wars Original Trilogy DVD Set $59.99". There is no mention in the item description of the fact that these DVDs include the OOT as only non-anamorphic bonus material with the SEs as the main attraction.)

Comlink Letters:
comlink@insider.starwars.com
Comlink, P.O. Box 23500, Oakland, CA 94623-2350
_________________
Empire
Mappin House
4 Winsley Street
London
W1W 8HF

empire@emap.com
http://www.empireonline.com/
___________________

All following magazines owned by Visual Imagination Ltd.of the U.K.:

Starburst (Sci-fi mag;DVD reviews)
http://www.visimag.com/starburst/
starburst@visimag.com

Film Review (British Movie Mag; DVD reviews)
http://www.visimag.com/filmreview/index.htm
filmreview@visimag.com

Ultimate DVD (upcoming DVD releases)
http://www.visimag.com/ultimatedvd/index.htm
ultimatedvd@visimag.com
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Entertainment Weekly Magazine (has an "Obsessive Fan of the Week" spot on the letters page for good-natured and quirky fan opinion)
Letters reference articles in previous issues; tie the DVD discussion to an article you've read in EW):
letters@ew.com
http://www.ew.com/ew
__________________
Total Film Magazine
http://www.totalfilm.com/
Letters are article-related and non-article-related opinions and commentary:

Total Film, 2 Balcombe Street, London, NW1 6NW
Editor - Mark Dinning (not sure if this is the correct contact; website had a list of people)
mark.dinning@futurenet.co.uk

Reviews Editor - Andy Lowe (maybe this person is the one)
andy.lowe@futurenet.co.uk
____________________

Uncut DVD Magazine (U.K.)
Editorial Enquiries Uncut, IPC Media, 25th Floor,
King’s Reach Tower, Stamford Street, London SE1 9LS

Tel: 020 7261 6992 Fax: 020 7261 5573
http://www.uncut.co.uk/magazine/uncutdvd/

Let's do this! See you in 5 days.

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#233569
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Episode I: PaulisDead2221's Edit (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: PaulisDead2221
You know I went through track 15 a bit, and decided to use the ending straight from ROTS for this one--the music with Luke being taken to Tatooine and them staring off into the sunset, the transition was easy and the "A New Hope" theme worked for me like it was a "First Hope" theme or something. Thanks for the tip, I got lazy with it but it works real well.
Glad I could help. Maybe you could drop some suggestions at my Ep. 3 thread once I get editing on it again. Cheers!

Slumberland, since we're talking about your project anyway (), I actually noticed that your iris out seems to match the actual iris out, while mine is way too thin, and Premiere just won't make it wider without wanting a "border" in the middle.

Yeah, Premiere's standard transitions are horrible, at least in Pro 1.5. Don't know if 2.0 is any better. I'm planning on using After Effects to match the actual SW transitions as close as possible for my edit.
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#233178
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The Academy Award winning editing of Episode IV
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Originally posted by: Obi JeewhyenBut is it the editing or the story construction?

It's probably more story construction. In working on my Ep. 3 re-edit (I know, not an OT film like you were talking about), it seemed that, in parts, things may have been planned to cut together differently, but their order was changed in the edit room to make the story seem more complex than it actually was.
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#233170
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: fedtho
I'm following this thread, but not often find myself in the position to post a reply, so:

A very big cheers to all the debating and thinking that has been going on here, essential issues have been adressed.
Glad you did. Thanks for the kudos; we're trying.

Among them, I find myself very intrigued and in doubt about the question wether it's better - for a possible high-quality (or at least decent quality) release of the OOT - that the poor man's september DVDs sell well or not... ?!?
I hope they don't need to sell well. The only thing I can see to soften the blow to our push for a better release is to do what were planning to do: show this DVD release for the scandal it is.

The subject of how well a newspaper or -channel will take the sending of hundreds or thousands of e-mails within one or a couple of day(s) seems also hard to decide... We want to have them interested in our cause, not feeling harrassed by a bunch of Star-Wars-geeks. But what better way could there be to get their attention?
Agreed.

Now [Lucas has] got to be cornered and forced into doing better, and that'll be achieved through the public exposure we want to carry out here.
Heartily agreed.

Originally posted by: Mielr
I agree with you that we should not all send out identical "form letters", however, we must make sure that each of our letters all make the same major points.
Originally posted by: fedtho
I definitely believe that a list of the five to ten major points to be made should be established by one of the master-experts here (I just don't feel I have everything in mind).

Neither do I. I think I can come up with some good points, but I'll probably need help with more; and with the sources for the hard facts to support those points.

I definitely agree with both of you. I was planning on proposing some "major points" (and will try tomorrow evening if I can), but the apparent fact that SW:ANH will have the original 1977 title in the crawl without the "Chapter IV: A New Hope" subtitle helped throw my whole train of thought into disarray.

The need to keep our mailings short seems essential to me, as is the need for some physical letters, as has been pointed out.

A letter's probably a little harder to ignore since it obviously took someone some energy to send, but short and written digitally and/or in letter form as each person feels compelled to do is all I'm hoping for.

Please announce the new "posting-thread" HERE in this one, so that we know where to look and anounce that we've posted(I seldomly have time to browse the forum, but certainly want to help with the exposing of Lucas' unworthy options!!!).

Will do. We as fans must help ourselves; it doesn't seem like Lucas really cares to.

I mean, what's the explanation if the source for the DVD is indeed the 1993 Laser Disc source? I know this has been touched on in another thread, but it makes me wonder.

I guess we just keep on trucking with the release being hyped as "the original theatrical releases" instead of the actual showcase being for the SEs with the originals as bonus material and the releases being sub-industry standard non-anamorphic; in short, not the usual treatment for any industry-changing, cross-culturally-phenomenal, technologically-ground-breaking movie.

Does this sound like the basic idea we should write about?
Cheers everyone

Thanks for joining the discussion, Fedtho.
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#232711
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Having a focus for our letters would be good, but don't let that stop you from writing multiple places.

True, but there's nothing to stop people from writing to multiple places now, either. I think that focusing on one place at a time would be less likely to scare people off, and may seem more manageable.

That's true; we don't want to burden anyone, just give them the ability to voice their dissatisfaction.

Maybe we can ask people to write to 2 places? The contact list which I've compiled, so far, is pretty short, as is our time; September issues of magazines are already out.

I'll post the contact info in the new thread, but it consists of Star Wars Insider, Entertainment Weekly, Empire, Film Review, Starburst, Ultimate DVD, Total Film, and Uncut DVD magazines. I'll get some TV contacts going, too.

Should we standardize a message to write about to unify our efforts? I think the main topic should be the sub-par presentation of the OOT on the September DVD release. What do you guys think?

I'd like to have this decided before opening the new thread so we don't simply create a multi-headed hydra of confusion and babble.
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#232655
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Physical letters are important too.
I agree.
It is starting to look like, even if this release does not start flying off of the shelves, it will still sell reasonably well.
That's good if Lucas cares to invest in the OOT with a future release.
The Digital Bits has an excellent article in which they refute everyone of LFL's points one by one and prove that restoration is physically possible.
I think we need to decide what we will all write about to present a unified front; the real issue and the logical complaint here is, IMO, not that a better source doesn't exist but that the treatment of these film classics is sub-par.

Star Wars is an Academy Award-winning movie and is on the Academy's list of the top 100 films of all time, for crying out loud!

Why should movies such as SCREAM 3 and TRANSYLVANIA 6-5000 get the anamorphic treatment while the OOT is relegated to the realm of bonus material in non-anamorphic letterboxing from a 13 year old LaserDisc transfer?
We need Jay and the petitioners and forumites, however.
The more people, the better.
We need to make a lot of noise.

Definitely, but we've got to project our noise in the right directions.
Originally posted by: Mike O
I'll PM Jay.

Cool.
Originally posted by: Mielr
Yes, please start a new thread giving the contact info etc., that way, everyone will see it, and we can all post in the thread that we've sent our email (or snail mail letter), and we can post what we've written if we want to.

I'll do this as soon as I have that list worked up today.
We can do this every week- each with a new place to concentrate on.

Having a focus for our letters would be good, but don't let that stop you from writing multiple places. The more media hears from us, the better. I imagine that they discuss influxes of letters like this between their publications to gauge how hot of an issue it is.
Thanks for all your help!

You're welcome. Thanks to you and Mike for your enthusiasm and discussion!

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#232321
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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Originally posted by: Mike O
We need Jay and the petitioners, though. 75,000+ e-mails and hard copies of mail will be almost impossible to ignore.

That would be nice, but it's got to start somewhere. Let's start writing.

I know you've already seen this, Mike, but everyone else, check this thread September DVD Release Complaint Writing Campaign.

Jay's probably got his hands full. I'll be glad to PM him with this idea if we can get it going first. A moving train is proof that we mean business.

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#232318
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Let's get started with the email-writing campaign right now.
Yeah! That's what I'm talkin' about!
Nobody seems to have any ideas as to what company to pick first, so why don't you do the honors, and we'll get the ball rolling ASAP.

You got it! I'll have a list going tomorrow (Saturday, 8/5/06). All suggestions welcome; post 'em here, or PM me.

Edit: Do you guys think this warrants its own thread once the writing begins?

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#232316
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Ok, fine, but what they are saying is that this is the best that that they can do and Lucas is leaning on him. That doesn't change the fact that there are better prints, and saying that that the LD master are the best that they have is a lie, pure and simple.
Let's make a point of that with factual evidence when we write.

True, but consider his MTV comments. He really doesn't think that there is anyone interested in the OOT. God willing, this release will prove him wrong.
I read his comments in a different light. I don't feel that Lucas thinks no one wants the movies; I think, against a background of how he's treated them and us as fans in the past, Lucas wants the public to forget about the originals like he would like to since they aren't his "original vision". I feel that Lucas wants to have more ownership of the films creatively than he did originally with the vast amounts of talent that went into creating the originals. He can only do this with the changes made in the SEs.


This isn't over. Lucas has lowered his defenses with the 2006 release. Lets rush him. Who knows? Maybe, at some point before hell freezes over, we can see a proper release of the OOT. Maybe we can still win this.

I don't know if you read the Leonard Maltin thread, but film critic Maltin apparently responded to an email from one of our members stating that Lucas tends to do as he pleases. We need to show him that "what he pleases" doesn't please us. We need to point out all of the flaws with this release, starting with the fact that it's not truly an OOT release.

And call me Mike .

Alright, Mike. Nice to meet you.

If this release sells well, which it just might, then maybe Lucas will star to get the message ever so slightly.

He needs to be hit over the head. This release is just him being stubborn.

Again, I point to the apparent fact that Lucas is dealing to us from a stacked deck; just look at the sub-standard way in which he is allowing the OOT to be made available on DVD (not to mention the fact that there are no future plans to restore the OOT according to John Singh of Lucasfilm, Ltd. Publicity), which is what this is all about.

Look at what he has to gain if this release doesn't sell: he can wash his hands of the OOT for good; he'll just point to this release as proof that no one wants it, and he'll be able to curl up nice and cozy with his precious SEs at night.

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#232311
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: Harlock415
But expect to see early reviews of these discs a week or more before they come out.

Let's be part of these reviews by making our logical complaints heard. I'll start trying to figure out where we can all write to. I suggest Entertainment Weekly magazine for one. Does Tech TV do a DVD review segment? Is that show even on any more? While we won't be changing these DVD releases, we might be able to bring the Lucas' slight against the OOT to light.

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#232031
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
A further attempt to petition Luca$hFilm is a good idea, I agree. I think that heavyweight film arts organisations are worth getting on board too. The BFI, the AFI, the Academy, etc. I'm sure it would have some impact at Luca$hFilm if these groups joined in criticising their policies with regard to the OOT. I'm talking about their prevention of public screenings of the OOT, as well as the home entertainment releases. I'm waiting on responses from the BFI and AFI at the moment.

Cool, auraloffalwaffle! Since time is extremely short, would you be interested in a writing campaign to entertainment magazines and/or TV programs (e.g., letters to the editors) stating our point-by-point frustrations with Lucasfilm's treatment of the OOT for DVD?

I'm trying to work up interest from OT.com members so that we can flood these public-facing entertainment news media outlets with mail that they won't be able to ignore.

With quotes from film critic Leonard Maltin, John Singh at Lucasfilm, and comparisons with DVD releases of lesser movies, I'm sure we have a completely logical case to present.

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#232030
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: Mielr
That's why it's so important that these DVDs sell well. It's kind of a double-edged sword, I know, on the one hand we should boycott them because of their quality (but that might be mis-interpreted as a lack of demand), on the other hand we need to buy these to show exactly how much of a demand there is, in SPITE of the sub-par transfers- which is why I think the latter option is the way to go.
Whether or not we as individual fans wish to buy the DVDs is up to the individual. I won't let what basically amounts to being strong-armed by Lucas (and he alone seems to be the problem, not his company) decide for me whether or not I will buy a sub-standard release.
At the same time, we also need to embarrass Lucasfilm with their whole 'THX-attention-to-quality' credo.

Which is why we need to make some kind of noise in the media explaining the frustration over a DVD release that does not treat these historic movies with the honor and respect that the latest slasher flick gets when put on DVD.

Is anybody ready to make some noise by writing out, point-by-point, why were not simply a bunch of spoiled whiners?

Lets work together to strategically hammer our point home to magazines and/or specialty TV shows in order to put Lucas's ego in check and get the product that any other studio would gladly sell to an eager market!

The September release is the perfect time to get this message out. If enough of us are persistent enough (with a logical argument), and we are given significant press, then Lucas won't be able to simply say that demand for the OOT doesn't really exist if sales aren't good.

This is our only hope unless we simply wish to be passive and give our money to Lucas for something lacking.

Your thoughts, Mielr and Mike O?