dark_jedi

hairy_hen and msycamore you both have PM's.

Spiderwalk, very, very nice! damn that sounds great and the artwork is awesome, doesn't matter to me now if the other set, that has been in the works forever, even comes to pass now.

GREAT job!

msycamore said:

Looking damn good, dark_jedi!

It is g-force script, your subs, and I will put as many audio options in there as I can, what won't fit will be included in the DVD_ROM folder.

It is just nice having a powerful PC to be able to render and encode these so fast, where it takes some a week, it only takes me hours, and this video here is 6 pass CCE SP2 @ 6500 avg.

I know I am very biased but I think V3 looks better than anything out as of yet, but any more screens or questions please ask in my thread, I don't really like this one to much, I keep reading the same comments over, and over, and over.

V3

msycamore said:

Well, I take my last comment back. It's actually gettin worse all the way in to the asteroid field. I'll continue to check, is there any particular editing points in the audio I can check, if I understand it correctly there is side switches on the LD right?

holy crap you are right, I have NO idea how I missed that, I think that is side 2, I must have been asleep at the wheel on that side, time to fire back up Vegas, 1 thing is for sure this is going to give me a lot of great experience, I WILL get this right, and the stereo mixes WILL be on Empire and Jedi.

also per Ady, I am syncing to the audio, I am not using the video at all any more.

yes please, need more ears.

ChainsawAsh said:

I've just finished downloading it.  I'll sync it up and watch the whole thing tonight and take detailed notes for you tomorrow.

there should be no syncing at all, I mean you should not have to put any delay at all, Thanks for checking it out.

ABC, I am with you all the way.

Ripplin said:

dark_jedi said:

apparently this audio is not as important as I once thought, only 2 people to check it out for me,hmmm.

Um, it's more like a lot of people just don't know about that stuff. Don't worry about it. The ones that do check it out would likely give you far more useful feedback than if, say, someone like me tried. ;)

Actually I think you are wrong there, you would be surprised at what people can find, the more the merrier, because I really want to get this as right as I can, is that asking to much? I think not.

I can't emphasize enough how much help I need on these, after listening for so long you WANT it to sound right whether it really is or not, so I need some of you guys here that know how to add this to the GOUT video and just really skim through it as best you can, this file that I have for you guys now is my very first audio edit, and I have to admit, it is very, very time consuming and can rally get aggravating! but with Ady's EXCELLENT pointers and tips, this was actually kind of fun, in a weird kind of time consuming, aggravating way LOL.

Thanks hairy_hen and msycamore, apparently this audio is not as important as I once thought, only 2 people to check it out for me,hmmm.

I wonder if I will get just as much interest in Jedi as well, if there really is no interest in this audio please let me know and I won't waste my time with it, or I will just send this audio to those interested only.

Thanks Ady as always, I got it now and know what to do, check here soon for a full blown sample, I NEED people to grab this and take a listen and let me know if it needs more work, you will need the ESB GOUT video though and the file will be ac3, NO PCM file will be uploaded until I am certain it is right, so PLEASE grab this and check it out.

The file is ac3 @ 224

http://www.sendspace.com/file/i0x97h

LOL it is always something, I am following your instructions but when I hit the "s" key nothing happens, and I have the track highlighted.

adywan said:

just click on the audio track you want to make a cut to highlight the wavform then get the cursor to the start position of your cut and press "s". you should now have a splice cut. Now move it to your end position for your cut and do the same thing. Then just click on the cut piece, keeping the left mouse button down, and drag it into your new track. you could do with "enable snapping" enabled for this part as you don't want this section to be out of sync. it will lock to the beginning of the splice on your first track a lot easier when dragging it down.

Trust me, once you get the hang of editing in vegas you'll never want to touch something as basic as womble again. lol

Thanks Ady, I will try this out sometime today, need to take a Starbucks break for a while.

LOL how do I make cuts in track 1 and track 2, can you trim sections out and paste into track 2? it would be nice if this was similar to Womble in video editing, now that is easy.

I think once I figure out how to cut out the sections I need from the '93 and place into track 2, and cut track 2 for syncing, I should be able to finish this up sometime.

OK I think I am getting it now, but side 5 is really being a pain the arse! I slide the start of the track until it is lined up, then go to the end and set timing and the middle is off, but both ends are OK, also I have gaps in between the LD sides, so maybe just take what is missing from the '93 track? it certainly is very minute at most.

I am getting the same message, upload your clip to sendspace if you can.

I am using the ESB stereo theatrical mix from my old LD's that is not present on any DVD release at the moment, I obviously would like to change that, but what I learn here I will need to know for the ROTJ stereo theatrical as well.

So no I am not using any 5.1, it is all stereo, the track I am syncing to is the original gout 2ch ac3 converted to stereo, so stereo to stereo.

1 more thing, what about overlapping of files?

adywan said:

If you are having problems syncing audio then use vegas. Import the orignal audio track that is synced to the video track first. Then add side 1 to a new track. zoom in pretty close and line up the new audio track by dragging it  so it is exactly in line with the original one. A good tip is to  disable "quantize to frames"  & "enable snapping" first. If you are working with a multi track file then import all 6 separate tracks first and line them up (with "enable snapping" enabled until you have done this) then select them all and create a new group. Make sure that your centre channel is your first track under your original so this will be easier to line up with the original. this will move all the new track simultaneously when dragging. Now one thing that throws the sync out is the reel changes on the video. They may not be the same. you may be either missing or have an extra few frames unless the original source transfers are from the same master.

Now go to the end of your first LD side and check to see if the wav forms still match that of your original. If they do not then you will have to re-time them. right click on your new audio file and select "properties". In the section marked "time stretch/pitch shift" select the method as classic. Where it says "lock to stretch" make sure this is ticked. Now in the "new length" section just alter the time. you need only do small steps but this is all trial and error. after you have made an adjustment just click on ok and you can see the changes have been made. If they still don't line up just go back into your properties and alter the time until you get it lined up. (if you are using multiple audio tracks just start with the centre channel and once that is synced use the time value in the pitch shift and apply this to each individual track).

Unfortunately i found out with the 5.1 laserdisc audio that you have to alter the timecode and make many cuts to get the audio to sync correctly. it seems to be all over the place from side 2

once you have side 1 synced then do the same for side 2 and so on.

hope this helps

THANK YOU SO MUCH ADY!

Now there is hope, but I have a few questions for you, I have most sides almost perfect, but on 1 for sure,maybe 2, the beginning goes out after I set then end of the file(side) so how do I get around that?

This is what I did, I put the original GOUT audio in track 1, then I imported side 1 for track 2, followed your instructions and all is good, then imported side 2, slid it all the way to where it is just touching side 1 in track 2, then went all the way to the end of side 2 and set timing, went back to start of side 2 and it was off, not by a ton, but there is an echo, so do I just find a happy medium or is there something I can do about that? can the side in question be cut and then re time the start of it so not to mess up the end? or am I way off base?

also once the file is done, how do I save it LOL? I am very new to Vegas, I know almost nothing about this app.

I am not knocking the help, just did not know for sure if you understood the problem or not, I will definitely keep you in mind if I do not get any where with this soon.

The problem is that the audio slowly drifts off(and by the end it is way off), it will start in synch and then gradually go out, are you sure VideoRedo can correct this, if it was just a simple delay for the entire file that is very easy, but not when it drifts.

livserge said:

PM me the audio files and I'll try syncing them to the GOUT with Video Redo.  I then could PM you with the synced audio files.  I can do this with the Laserdisc audio.  The Empire soundtrack thingy sounds out of my league!  Anyway, worth a shot and could help with your frustration. 

How exactly can Video Redo accomplish this, how does it work?

Well I was wrong, side 3 is just as F'd up, I start at the same frame and end at the same frame and this side is out right from the damn start LOL, what a damn joke!

Moth3r said:

And as for audio synching - Belbucus once mentioned that he synched audio to audio, but apart from that I don't know exactly the process he used.

Guide to quick and dirty audio synching: (there are probably better ways to do it but this method is easy to implement).

Say you have 2 source files, A and B.

A is a capture of the audio and video from your laserdisc
B is the video from the GOUT DVD.

You edit A so that it is exactly the same as B - same total length, scene changes are at the same frame numbers and so on, then you save out the audio. This audio will be an exact sync match for the video from B.

That is actually what I was trying to do, but I am so pissed at this right now I have stopped working on it and did not even work on sides 3-5.

but the GOUT has more frames than the LD capture.

The thing that REALLY sux here is this, we have no real audio alternatives for ESB and ROTJ like ANH, so this would have been cool.